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Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:54 am
by Gil Dobie
“ISIL does not speak for Islam,” he said. “They are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death. And they account for a tiny fraction of a more than a billion Muslims around the world.”
Of which I agree,
and not this
“Mass Shooters do not speak for gun owners,” he said. “They are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death. And they account for a tiny fraction of a more than a million gun owners around the country.”
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:06 am
by kalm
Good question.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:19 am
by YoUDeeMan
Gil Dobie wrote:“ISIL does not speak for Islam,” he said. “They are thugs and killers,...”
Whoah...did Obama ask kkklean and dal if the use of, "thugs" was OK?
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:48 am
by CID1990
Another thing he said - which makes me wonder who the hell is briefing him - is that he will direct DHS to take a close look at the visa waiver program that allowed this woman into the country.
She did not come in on the visa waiver program. That is a non-immigrant visa program that allows people from qualifying countries to come to the US without a visa. It is the same reciprocal program that allows all of us to hop on a plane to those same countries (like the UK and Germany) without a visa.
Malik (a fake name, BTW) came in on a K1 fiance visa, which is a hybrid nonimmigrant visa which switches status in the US to immigrant status once the beneficiary marries the petitioner.
It was a "WTH?" moment in his speech. All it would have taken was a simple brief from the State Department, but it seems like whoever wrote that speech just made that part up on the fly to give him something to say.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:57 am
by GannonFan
After watching the speech last night, two of my boys had a good argument over whether it should be called "ISIS" or "ISIL" - and when I say good argument, it was just basically "you're wrong, no you're wrong" type of thing.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:03 am
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
GannonFan wrote:After watching the speech last night, two of my boys had a good argument over whether it should be called "ISIS" or "ISIL" - and when I say good argument, it was just basically "you're wrong, no you're wrong" type of thing.
Since Obama uses ISIL and almost him exclusively, ISIS has to be the correct term.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:04 pm
by BDKJMU
I didn't see the speech, nor have I read about it. I bet he still refuses to call a spade a spade and didn't use the word muslim/islamic terrorist/extermist in the same sentence..
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:24 pm
by CitadelGrad
ISIL references the Levant, which includes the territory of Israel. He is basically saying Israel has no business existing.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:28 pm
by JohnStOnge
Gil Dobie wrote:“ISIL does not speak for Islam,” he said. “They are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death. And they account for a tiny fraction of a more than a billion Muslims around the world.”
Of which I agree,
I don't think you should agree with that. I think the idea that a "tiny fraction" of Muslims hold the basic outlook ISIL or ISIS or whatever you want to call it holds is VERY questionable by any reasonable standard for what "tiny fraction" means.
I also really question the idea that the ones causing all the problems are following some "perverted" idea of Islam. I think there's a real possibility that THEY are the ones following what Islam actually is.
I harken to hearing George Mitchell recently referring to people like that as following Islam "as it was practiced at the time of Muhammed."
So if the ones causing the problems are following it as it was at the time of Muhammed, are THEY the ones that are not really following what Islam is?
I don't think so.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:35 pm
by Chizzang
JohnStOnge wrote:Gil Dobie wrote:“ISIL does not speak for Islam,” he said. “They are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death. And they account for a tiny fraction of a more than a billion Muslims around the world.”
Of which I agree,
I don't think you should agree with that. I think the idea that a "tiny fraction" of Muslims hold the basic outlook ISIL or ISIS or whatever you want to call it holds is VERY questionable by any reasonable standard for what "tiny fraction" means.
I also really question the idea that the ones causing all the problems are following some "perverted" idea of Islam. I think there's a real possibility that THEY are the ones following what Islam actually is.
I harken to hearing George Mitchell recently referring to people like that as following Islam "as it was practiced at the time of Muhammed."
So if the ones causing the problems are following it as it was at the time of Muhammed, are THEY the ones that are not really following what Islam is?
I don't think so.
According to folks who study the Koran that are not Muslim
The Koran is in many ways a call to action / It is not a book of peace
The only "peace" it preaches is peace among Muslims - and the followers even got that part wrong
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:05 pm
by CID1990
Chizzang wrote:JohnStOnge wrote:
I don't think you should agree with that. I think the idea that a "tiny fraction" of Muslims hold the basic outlook ISIL or ISIS or whatever you want to call it holds is VERY questionable by any reasonable standard for what "tiny fraction" means.
I also really question the idea that the ones causing all the problems are following some "perverted" idea of Islam. I think there's a real possibility that THEY are the ones following what Islam actually is.
I harken to hearing George Mitchell recently referring to people like that as following Islam "as it was practiced at the time of Muhammed."
So if the ones causing the problems are following it as it was at the time of Muhammed, are THEY the ones that are not really following what Islam is?
I don't think so.
According to folks who study the Koran that are not Muslim
The Koran is in many ways a call to action / It is not a book of peace
The only "peace" it preaches is peace among Muslims - and the followers even got that part wrong
Yes but yes but Christians are just as bad
Just wanted to make sure you knew that
Because I do know it and I assume you dont
So just FYI
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:01 am
by Skjellyfetti
How many ISIS supporters do you think there are, JSO?
There are roughly 2 billion muslims in the world.
You need to get into the realm of ISIS = "tens of millions" of people for ISIS to not be a "tiny fraction."
Not even to mention the fact that their biggest enemies and most of their fighting is against other Muslims.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:17 am
by Skjellyfetti
And, JSO supports mass extermination of Muslims.
Not much different in the ideology of ISIS and JSO.
Sure, ISIS is actually attempting to carry out their ideology.
But, thankfully, JSO just posts on small college football message boards.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:54 am
by 93henfan
Skjellyfetti wrote:And, JSO supports mass extermination of Muslims.
Not much different in the ideology of ISIS and JSO.
Sure, ISIS is actually attempting to carry out their ideology.
But, thankfully, JSO just posts on small college football message boards.
Hey, don't forget about me!! I want the religion exterminated, not the people necessarily though. I would offer them a chance to renounce the religion before I shoot them. I'm pretty diplomatic like that.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:42 am
by CAA Flagship
93henfan wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:And, JSO supports mass extermination of Muslims.
Not much different in the ideology of ISIS and JSO.
Sure, ISIS is actually attempting to carry out their ideology.
But, thankfully, JSO just posts on small college football message boards.
Hey, don't forget about me!! I want the religion exterminated, not the people necessarily though. I would offer them a chance to renounce the religion before I shoot them.
I'm pretty diplomatic like that.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:58 am
by 93henfan
CAA Flagship wrote:93henfan wrote:
Hey, don't forget about me!! I want the religion exterminated, not the people necessarily though. I would offer them a chance to renounce the religion before I shoot them. I'm pretty diplomatic like that.
I call it the Trip clause. You tell me you're atheist and prove it by not trying to blow things up, you get to live and drink beers and stuff. And no head scarfs. Anyone wearing a headscarf when the temperature is above 40F gets shot on sight. And no hats without brims unless again, it's under 40F. This applies to the black buys wearing the little Jim Brown things, the muzzies with the white ones, and the Jews with their little head frisbees. All that shit gotta go.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:58 am
by Skjellyfetti
93henfan wrote:I want the religion exterminated, not the people necessarily though. I would offer them a chance to renounce the religion before I shoot them.
so, what exactly makes ISIS so abhorrent then?
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:01 am
by 93henfan
Skjellyfetti wrote:93henfan wrote:I want the religion exterminated, not the people necessarily though. I would offer them a chance to renounce the religion before I shoot them.
so, what exactly makes ISIS so abhorrent then?
I think it has something to do with them wanting to kill me because I'm not muslin nor will I convert to it. Just guessing.
Wait.
Are you serious?
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:04 am
by 93henfan
Now I expect Skj to say something about they only want us out of muslin lands.
Well guess what? Muslins have saturated certain towns in Michigan and are now running town councils. They are upset with certain traditions, like parades, that have gone on for a century and may cancel them. Is Michigan now muslin land?
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:13 am
by Skjellyfetti
93henfan wrote:I want the religion exterminated, not the people necessarily though. I would offer them a chance to renounce the religion before I shoot them.
93henfan wrote:II think it has something to do with them wanting to kill me because I'm not muslin nor will I convert to it. Just guessing.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:35 am
by 93henfan
Skjellyfetti wrote:93henfan wrote:I want the religion exterminated, not the people necessarily though. I would offer them a chance to renounce the religion before I shoot them.
93henfan wrote:II think it has something to do with them wanting to kill me because I'm not muslin nor will I convert to it. Just guessing.
Right. I'm trying to live my life. Suddenly a group of people come up with a regulation that says I should be killed or must convert if I do not currently believe their regulation.
Because they have now gone on record as saying I must be killed unless I convert, and I don't want to convert, I must kill them before they kill me.
There is your proof for the 93henfan Theorem.
Any other logic questions this morning?
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:54 am
by Skjellyfetti
It's the same dumbfuckery logic that produces ISIS.
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:54 am
by houndawg
JohnStOnge wrote:Gil Dobie wrote:“ISIL does not speak for Islam,” he said. “They are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death. And they account for a tiny fraction of a more than a billion Muslims around the world.”
Of which I agree,
I don't think you should agree with that. I think the idea that a "tiny fraction" of Muslims hold the basic outlook ISIL or ISIS or whatever you want to call it holds is VERY questionable by any reasonable standard for what "tiny fraction" means.
I also really question the idea that the ones causing all the problems are following some "perverted" idea of Islam. I think there's a real possibility that THEY are the ones following what Islam actually is.
I harken to hearing George Mitchell recently referring to people like that as following Islam "as it was practiced at the time of Muhammed."
So if the ones causing the problems are following it as it was at the time of Muhammed, are THEY the ones that are not really following what Islam is?
I don't think so.
You don't seem to be very tolerant of superstitious nonsense that competes with the superstitious nonsense you believe in but are too embarrassed to admit. Do you know how hilarious that is to a rational person?
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:10 am
by kalm
CID1990 wrote:Chizzang wrote:
According to folks who study the Koran that are not Muslim
The Koran is in many ways a call to action / It is not a book of peace
The only "peace" it preaches is peace among Muslims - and the followers even got that part wrong
Yes but yes but Christians are just as bad
Just wanted to make sure you knew that
Because I do know it and I assume you dont
So just FYI
Weren't you the one recently accusing others of using a strawman argument?
Re: Why Does Obama Say This........
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:21 am
by kalm
“Donald Trump today took xenophobia and religious bigotry to a new level,” Graham told the Guardian in an interview shortly after Trump unveiled his proposal.“His comments are hurting the war effort and putting our diplomats and soldiers serving in the Middle East at risk. The way to win this war is to reach to the vast majority of people in Islamic faith who reject Isil and provide them the capability to resist this ideology.”
“We do not need to resort to that type of activity nor should we,” Christie told conservative radio show host Matt Medved. “We need to cooperate with peaceful Muslim Americans who want to give us intelligence against those who are radicalized.”
“To ban Muslims from entering the country is just someone who is speaking from no experience,” he added. “There are folks in this race that don’t care what the law says because they are used to firing people indiscriminately. You do not need to be banning Muslims from the country.”
“Listen, I don’t believe most Americans are using language against Muslim Americans. We are using language against radical Islamic terrorists, but I am going to focus on language I use,” Cruz said.“I believe the focus should focus on radical Islamic terrorism and we need to be directly focused on threats to the United States. We need a commander-in-chief that perceives what the threat is and targets all of our resources against radical Islamic terrorists.”
Graham said Cruz’s response was insufficient.“It is time for Ted Cruz to quit hiding in the weeds and speak out against Donald Trump’s xenophobia and racial bigotry,” Graham said.
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Cid, 93, JSO, and Chizzy are proving why Trump won't get hurt much by his ideas to ban muslim travel and immigration and to force them to wear a number on their head (or whatever the hell he said
)
He's playing to the darkest fears and coming from a position of strength and the rest of the field's response (except Rand Paul) is to go all Chamberlain/religion of peace stuff.