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"Each time this comes up, we are fed the excuse that common-sense reforms like background checks might not have stopped the last massacre, or the one before that, or the one before that, so why bother trying," Obama said. "I reject that thinking."

"We know we can't stop every act of violence, every act of evil in the world. But maybe we could try to stop one act of evil, one act of violence," he added.

Pwns wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/ ... index.html

This quote is just ridiculous.

"Each time this comes up, we are fed the excuse that common-sense reforms like background checks might not have stopped the last massacre, or the one before that, or the one before that, so why bother trying," Obama said. "I reject that thinking."

"We know we can't stop every act of violence, every act of evil in the world. But maybe we could try to stop one act of evil, one act of violence," he added.

Translation: So what if what I'm doing won't actually prevent the kind of massacres we use to promote gun control. Gun control is about feeling good and not doing good.

Pwns wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/ ... index.html

This quote is just ridiculous.

"Each time this comes up, we are fed the excuse that common-sense reforms like background checks might not have stopped the last massacre, or the one before that, or the one before that, so why bother trying," Obama said. "I reject that thinking."

"We know we can't stop every act of violence, every act of evil in the world. But maybe we could try to stop one act of evil, one act of violence," he added.

Translation: So what if what I'm doing won't actually prevent the kind of massacres we use to promote gun control. Gun control is about feeling good and not doing good.

Pwns wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/ ... index.html

This quote is just ridiculous.

"Each time this comes up, we are fed the excuse that common-sense reforms like background checks might not have stopped the last massacre, or the one before that, or the one before that, so why bother trying," Obama said. "I reject that thinking."

"We know we can't stop every act of violence, every act of evil in the world. But maybe we could try to stop one act of evil, one act of violence," he added.

Translation: So what if what I'm doing won't actually prevent the kind of massacres we use to promote gun control. Gun control is about feeling good and not doing good.

93henfan wrote:

Pwns wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/ ... index.html

This quote is just ridiculous.



Translation: So what if what I'm doing won't actually prevent the kind of massacres we use to promote gun control. Gun control is about feeling good and not doing good.

What in this EO would have prevented Sandy Hook? San Bernardino? Columbine?


Nothing. That's what.

AshevilleApp wrote:

93henfan wrote:
What in this EO would have prevented Sandy Hook? San Bernardino? Columbine?


Nothing. That's what.

Likely not. But did it not include a request for money for mental health issues. The executive actions were really very tame, from the quick synopsis I read. They'll generate a shatstorm though.

ASUG8 wrote:Either way, this becomes yet another economic stimulus package directed toward the gun lobby. Ammo and AR-15's will be flying off the shelves in the coming week.

Chizzang wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:
Likely not. But did it not include a request for money for mental health issues. The executive actions were really very tame, from the quick synopsis I read. They'll generate a shatstorm though.

The Left has been telling us that 2x2=6 on this issue forever...
followed by the Right correcting them and telling us 2x2=5

AshevilleApp wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
The Left has been telling us that 2x2=6 on this issue forever...
followed by the Right correcting them and telling us 2x2=5

And you are dead center?

Chizzang wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:
And you are dead center?

I am a firm believe in the 2nd amendment
as defined "well regulated" and "armed"

and have no issues with either perspective actually
because it is as stated perfectly above - meaningless

bluehenbillk wrote:I'll be in the minority here but I give Obama a lot of credit on this & going it alone or doing what he can by executive action. Will what happened today prevent the all-too-common massacres that we now see? Sure it won't. However, there's no way to definitively say either way that it might prevent some, or just one.

The definition of insanity is just repeating failure over & over and expecting a different outcome. The zealots that hide/stand behind the 2nd Amendment & don't want to change a thing and tell you that there is zero that can be done are kidding themselves.

Forget the nonsense that this is a first step & the government is coming to take your guns - that's never going to happen. Just look at today for what it is, you can't tell me it's a bad thing. It would have been better if it would've been brokered in Congress sure, but this is 2016, what is newly brokered in Congress that both parties agree on any issue nowadays? Virtually nothing.

bluehenbillk wrote:I'll be in the minority here but I give Obama a lot of credit on this & going it alone or doing what he can by executive action. Will what happened today prevent the all-too-common massacres that we now see? Sure it won't. However, there's no way to definitively say either way that it might prevent some, or just one.

The definition of insanity is just repeating failure over & over and expecting a different outcome. The zealots that hide/stand behind the 2nd Amendment & don't want to change a thing and tell you that there is zero that can be done are kidding themselves.

Forget the nonsense that this is a first step & the government is coming to take your guns - that's never going to happen. Just look at today for what it is, you can't tell me it's a bad thing. It would have been better if it would've been brokered in Congress sure, but this is 2016, what is newly brokered in Congress that both parties agree on any issue nowadays? Virtually nothing.

bluehenbillk wrote:I'll be in the minority here but I give Obama a lot of credit on this & going it alone or doing what he can by executive action. Will what happened today prevent the all-too-common massacres that we now see? Sure it won't. However, there's no way to definitively say either way that it might prevent some, or just one.

The definition of insanity is just repeating failure over & over and expecting a different outcome. The zealots that hide/stand behind the 2nd Amendment & don't want to change a thing and tell you that there is zero that can be done are kidding themselves.

Forget the nonsense that this is a first step & the government is coming to take your guns - that's never going to happen. Just look at today for what it is, you can't tell me it's a bad thing. It would have been better if it would've been brokered in Congress sure, but this is 2016, what is newly brokered in Congress that both parties agree on any issue nowadays? Virtually nothing.

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I have a much bigger problem with HOW he is doing it than what he is doing. In an executive orders purest form, it is nothing short of a monarchy. "I King Obama hereby proclaim that all _______________." Fill in the blank and just because one man says it it becomes law? It really strikes me terribly wrong and I could give a shit less how many presidents did it before and after, we need to fix it.

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution.

ASUG8 wrote:Either way, this becomes yet another economic stimulus package directed toward the gun lobby. Ammo and AR-15's will be flying off the shelves in the coming week.

CID1990 wrote:I am frankly in awe of the political brilliance of the White House .... picking 2nd Amendment fights less than a year from a presidential election in a country where a clear majority supports gun rights

Klukker assassins my ass - the secret service had better keep an eye on Hillary because at this point you know she'd like to kill him

dbackjon wrote:

CID1990 wrote:I am frankly in awe of the political brilliance of the White House .... picking 2nd Amendment fights less than a year from a presidential election in a country where a clear majority supports gun rights

Klukker assassins my ass - the secret service had better keep an eye on Hillary because at this point you know she'd like to kill him

Yet 80% + support everything he put into his EO. Overwhelming support for expanded background checks.


Not sure many (other than a few ) support repealing the 2nd Amendment.