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Oh Christ. #11.





http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 6#p1039016

And they're increasing in number! Pretty soon, a majority of Republicans will be supporting him.

kalm wrote:And they're increasing in number! Pretty soon, a majority of Republicans will be supporting him.

I firmly believe that the majority of actual Republicans are vehemently opposed to him. I think that if you were to poll people that were registered Republican before he announced he was running and ask them whether they'd rather have Trump as the nominee or ANY of the other three guys in the race the overwhelming majority would say they'd rather have any of the other three guys in the race.

The article at http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... one-on-one hints at the situation. I don't think it captures if fully because "registered Republicans" now includes all the people who recently registered as such just to vote for Trump. But, still:

63 percent of Republicans think the GOP should pick someone other than the current front-runner if he goes into the convention in July with the most delegates, but not an outright majority, compared to just 30 percent who say he should win the nomination.

The overwhelming majority of Republicans...even given the fact that there are a lot of Republicans now who are just registered as such because of Trump...don't want him.

Ibanez wrote:Oh Christ. #11.
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 6#p1039016

You have to admit that's a good video that really hits the nail on the head.

kalm wrote:And they're increasing in number! Pretty soon, a majority of Republicans will be supporting him.

Almost. According to RCP, 14,679,301 votes have been cast in the GOP primaries and caucuses so far. Trump has received 5,530,912 votes, or 38%. Cruz follows with 28%.

JohnStOnge wrote:

kalm wrote:And they're increasing in number! Pretty soon, a majority of Republicans will be supporting him.

I firmly believe that the majority of actual Republicans are vehemently opposed to him. I think that if you were to poll people that were registered Republican before he announced he was running and ask them whether they'd rather have Trump as the nominee or ANY of the other three guys in the race the overwhelming majority would say they'd rather have any of the other three guys in the race.

The article at http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... one-on-one hints at the situation. I don't think it captures if fully because "registered Republicans" now includes all the people who recently registered as such just to vote for Trump. But, still:

63 percent of Republicans think the GOP should pick someone other than the current front-runner if he goes into the convention in July with the most delegates, but not an outright majority, compared to just 30 percent who say he should win the nomination.

The overwhelming majority of Republicans...even given the fact that there are a lot of Republicans now who are just registered as such because of Trump...don't want him.

Wait...63+30=93, where's the other 7%?

Ibanez wrote:

kalm wrote:And they're increasing in number! Pretty soon, a majority of Republicans will be supporting him.

Almost. According to RCP, 14,679,301 votes have been cast in the GOP primaries and caucuses so far. Trump has received 5,530,912 votes, or 38%. Cruz follows with 28%.

Guys, we're not anywhere close to a majority of Republicans supporting him. And you have to remember that the primary voting includes a lot of people who are not Republican because a lot of the States have open primaries. See the article I linked above. The overwhelming majority of Republicans do NOT want Trump to be the nominee.

kalm wrote:And they're increasing in number! Pretty soon, a majority of Republicans will be supporting him.

Already are. 53%
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/03/1 ... and-carso/

JohnStOnge wrote:

kalm wrote:And they're increasing in number! Pretty soon, a majority of Republicans will be supporting him.

I firmly believe that the majority of actual Republicans are vehemently opposed to him. I think that if you were to poll people that were registered Republican before he announced he was running and ask them whether they'd rather have Trump as the nominee or ANY of the other three guys in the race the overwhelming majority would say they'd rather have any of the other three guys in the race.

The article at http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... one-on-one hints at the situation. I don't think it captures if fully because "registered Republicans" now includes all the people who recently registered as such just to vote for Trump. But, still:

63 percent of Republicans think the GOP should pick someone other than the current front-runner if he goes into the convention in July with the most delegates, but not an outright majority, compared to just 30 percent who say he should win the nomination.

The overwhelming majority of Republicans...even given the fact that there are a lot of Republicans now who are just registered as such because of Trump...don't want him.

Wrong. Up to 53%, from 44% in february
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/03/1 ... and-carso/

JohnStOnge wrote:

Ibanez wrote:
Almost. According to RCP, 14,679,301 votes have been cast in the GOP primaries and caucuses so far. Trump has received 5,530,912 votes, or 38%. Cruz follows with 28%.

Guys, we're not anywhere close to a majority of Republicans supporting him. And you have to remember that the primary voting includes a lot of people who are not Republican because a lot of the States have open primaries. See the article I linked above. The overwhelming majority of Republicans do NOT want Trump to be the nominee.

So why aren't you Republicans getting off your butts and voting against him!?

Ibanez wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
I firmly believe that the majority of actual Republicans are vehemently opposed to him. I think that if you were to poll people that were registered Republican before he announced he was running and ask them whether they'd rather have Trump as the nominee or ANY of the other three guys in the race the overwhelming majority would say they'd rather have any of the other three guys in the race.

The article at http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... one-on-one hints at the situation. I don't think it captures if fully because "registered Republicans" now includes all the people who recently registered as such just to vote for Trump. But, still:



The overwhelming majority of Republicans...even given the fact that there are a lot of Republicans now who are just registered as such because of Trump...don't want him.

Wait...63+30=93, where's the other 7%?

Gotta get to 6.93 from that number!

Ivytalk wrote:

Ibanez wrote:
Wait...63+30=93, where's the other 7%?

Gotta get to 6.93 from that number!

I thought about it but then I went outside to help my father in law bring in the fish he just caught.

So why aren't you Republicans getting off your butts and voting against him!?

I am not a Republican. I am registered as a Libertarian. Louisiana does not have an open primary. So I couldn't vote in the Republican primary.

Otherwise: The majority of Republicans HAVE been voting against him. As you've heard many times the problem is that Trump has this mass of zombie voters that represents around a third of Republican primary voters while the anti Trump vote is split among a number of candidates. You're talking about a situation in which Trump could win the nomination when he's received something like 38% of the primary vote.

The other thing is that a lot of the people who have been voting for Trump in Republican primaries are NOT Republicans. When there have been closed primaries they may have switched their Party affiliation to Republican so that they could vote for Trump. But they're not really Republicans. In open primaries they didn't have to do that.

JohnStOnge wrote:

So why aren't you Republicans getting off your butts and voting against him!?

I am not a Republican. I am registered as a Libertarian. Louisiana does not have an open primary. So I couldn't vote in the Republican primary.

Otherwise: The majority of Republicans HAVE been voting against him. As you've heard many times the problem is that Trump has this mass of zombie voters that represents around a third of Republican primary voters while the anti Trump vote is split among a number of candidates. You're talking about a situation in which Trump could win the nomination when he's received something like 38% of the primary vote.

The other thing is that a lot of the people who have been voting for Trump in Republican primaries are NOT Republicans. When there have been closed primaries they may have switched their Party affiliation to Republican so that they could vote for Trump. But they're not really Republicans. In open primaries they didn't have to do that.

Current tonight Trump (politico live tracker), with 4 candidates in the contest:
FL: 45.7% (Closed)
NC: 43.3% (Mixed)
MO: 42.6% (Open)
IL: 40% (Open)
OH: 37.3% (Mixed)

"Type
Open– Voters may vote in either party primary but can choose only one
Closed – Only voters registered in their respective party may vote in the party primary
Mixed – A semi-open or semi-closed environment, unaffiliated voters can choose to vote in either primary or can switch registration the day of voting."
http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.c ... y-schedule calendar/#GkGUEBRlOe2j4VLJ.99

And in a general election a lot of people voting AREN'T republicans. I'm glad that Trump is getting droves of independents to vote for him. As long as its not democrats trying to sabotage, which I haven't heard much of.

JohnStOnge wrote:

So why aren't you Republicans getting off your butts and voting against him!?

I am not a Republican. I am registered as a Libertarian. Louisiana does not have an open primary. So I couldn't vote in the Republican primary.

Otherwise: The majority of Republicans HAVE been voting against him. As you've heard many times the problem is that Trump has this mass of zombie voters that represents around a third of Republican primary voters while the anti Trump vote is split among a number of candidates. You're talking about a situation in which Trump could win the nomination when he's received something like 38% of the primary vote.

The other thing is that a lot of the people who have been voting for Trump in Republican primaries are NOT Republicans. When there have been closed primaries they may have switched their Party affiliation to Republican so that they could vote for Trump. But they're not really Republicans. In open primaries they didn't have to do that.

True, Trump has received 39.4% of all votes cast between himself, Rubio, Cruz, & Kasich. He's got 7.53M against a combined 11.55M votes. The problem, among many:

1) The GOP let so many people in the field. What good was going to come from diluting the pool? You can't stop anyone from running, but the party should have been more proactive and ready to support 1 or 2 people and not allowed the sideshow of 18 hopefuls begin or continue.

2) People are pissed! Democrats included. Democrats don't want Clinton or Sanders so they're going for the person that they feel adequately captures and matches their frustration: Trump. It's that easy. You keep going on and on about people not being Republicans when you yourself state you aren't. Who cares!? That line of thinking is basically saying, "You don't belong and your vote doesn't matter."

3) You're seeing the electorate finally grow a pair and eschew the establishment candidates because they know those people aren't worth a lick. I've been saying it for years. So has kalm. And AZ. And Clittorsaurs Rex. And 99% of the active people on this board.

4) You're also seeing what very well could be the last election in which the Republican party as we know it, exists. It's not unreasonable to suggest that the GOP could either break apart OR some splinter group (Tea Party) break away and become a 3rd Party.

The Atlantic has a good article on the "Republican Revolt". http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... lt/419118/


Fox started talking about it last year.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/08/ ... party.html

The GOP has become so incestuous it continues to hemorrhage and will die. It cannot adapt because the key consultants it has shaping its future are wedded to the capital that comes from not changing.

Trump is certainly part of the equation. But you aren't looking at WHY are the people fleeing the establishment candidates of the GOP, Clinton and Sanders for an outsider. I may have missed it, but I've yet to see you talk about that. All you do is complain that Trump isn't representative, when he clearly is...to the tune of approx. 40%.

Ibanez wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
I am not a Republican. I am registered as a Libertarian. Louisiana does not have an open primary. So I couldn't vote in the Republican primary.

Otherwise: The majority of Republicans HAVE been voting against him. As you've heard many times the problem is that Trump has this mass of zombie voters that represents around a third of Republican primary voters while the anti Trump vote is split among a number of candidates. You're talking about a situation in which Trump could win the nomination when he's received something like 38% of the primary vote.

The other thing is that a lot of the people who have been voting for Trump in Republican primaries are NOT Republicans. When there have been closed primaries they may have switched their Party affiliation to Republican so that they could vote for Trump. But they're not really Republicans. In open primaries they didn't have to do that.

True, Trump has received 39.4% of all votes cast between himself, Rubio, Cruz, & Kasich. He's got 7.53M against a combined 11.55M votes. The problem, among many:

1) The GOP let so many people in the field. What good was going to come from diluting the pool? You can't stop anyone from running, but the party should have been more proactive and ready to support 1 or 2 people and not allowed the sideshow of 18 hopefuls begin or continue.

2) People are pissed! Democrats included. Democrats don't want Clinton or Sanders so they're going for the person that they feel adequately captures and matches their frustration: Trump. It's that easy. You keep going on and on about people not being Republicans when you yourself state you aren't. Who cares!? That line of thinking is basically saying, "You don't belong and your vote doesn't matter."

3) You're seeing the electorate finally grow a pair and eschew the establishment candidates because they know those people aren't worth a lick. I've been saying it for years. So has kalm. And AZ. And Clittorsaurs Rex. And 99% of the active people on this board.

4) You're also seeing what very well could be the last election in which the Republican party as we know it, exists. It's not unreasonable to suggest that the GOP could either break apart OR some splinter group (Tea Party) break away and become a 3rd Party.

The Atlantic has a good article on the "Republican Revolt". http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... lt/419118/


Fox started talking about it last year.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/08/ ... party.html

The GOP has become so incestuous it continues to hemorrhage and will die. It cannot adapt because the key consultants it has shaping its future are wedded to the capital that comes from not changing.

Trump is certainly part of the equation. But you aren't looking at WHY are the people fleeing the establishment candidates of the GOP, Clinton and Sanders for an outsider. I may have missed it, but I've yet to see you talk about that. All you do is complain that Trump isn't representative, when he clearly is...to the tune of approx. 40%.

And here's the thing to consider if you're a fan of the Republican Party. Just like any successful group you want to grow. You should have enough faith in your values to welcome all new outsiders into the fold. If you're ideology is true you should have confidence that it will win them over without sacrificing principles.

Here's what I don't get about JSO's hatred of Trump as a Republican. He's gaining votes from Independents and Democrats, not just Republican in the Open Primaries.

Isn't that what needs to be done to defeat the 42% Dem's that will blindly vote for whomever wins the Democrat(Hillary) nomination?

Don't the Republicans need those tweener's?

Those tweeners that are coming out to vote for Trump aren't going to vote for some stiff the GOP marches out if he doesn't get the nomination. And if that stiff is Cruz, highly doubtful, none for the primary voters are going to blindly vote for whoever they put out.

The GOP is fucking itself no matter what happens if Trump doesn't get the 1237.

andy7171 wrote:
The GOP is **** itself no matter what happens even if Trump gets the 1237.

FIFY

andy7171 wrote:Here's what I don't get about JSO's hatred of Trump as a Republican. He's gaining votes from Independents and Democrats, not just Republican in the Open Primaries.

Isn't that what needs to be done to defeat the 42% Dem's that will blindly vote for whomever wins the Democrat(Hillary) nomination?

Don't the Republicans need those tweener's?

Those tweeners that are coming out to vote for Trump aren't going to vote for some stiff the GOP marches out if he doesn't get the nomination. And if that stiff is Cruz, highly doubtful, none for the primary voters are going to blindly vote for whoever they put out.

The GOP is **** itself no matter what happens if Trump doesn't get the 1237.

No, JSO wants to keep the GOP pure and not taint it with the likes of moderates, independents and *shudder* Democrats who feel out of place in their own party.

GannonFan wrote:

andy7171 wrote:Here's what I don't get about JSO's hatred of Trump as a Republican. He's gaining votes from Independents and Democrats, not just Republican in the Open Primaries.

Isn't that what needs to be done to defeat the 42% Dem's that will blindly vote for whomever wins the Democrat(Hillary) nomination?

Don't the Republicans need those tweener's?

Those tweeners that are coming out to vote for Trump aren't going to vote for some stiff the GOP marches out if he doesn't get the nomination. And if that stiff is Cruz, highly doubtful, none for the primary voters are going to blindly vote for whoever they put out.

The GOP is **** itself no matter what happens if Trump doesn't get the 1237.

No, JSO wants to keep the GOP pure and not taint it with the likes of moderates, independents and *shudder* Democrats who feel out of place in their own party.

Reagan managed to attract this group in '80. Both parties have had periodic bloodlettings over ideology, but Trump is no ideologue. He's a demagogue.

Ivytalk wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
No, JSO wants to keep the GOP pure and not taint it with the likes of moderates, independents and *shudder* Democrats who feel out of place in their own party.

Reagan managed to attract this group in '80. Both parties have had periodic bloodlettings over ideology, but Trump is no ideologue. He's a demagogue.

Which is why he can attract people in this day and age. It's reality tv time and demagogues do well in that environment. How else to explain Trump actually doing press conferences after results on some election nights (not last night interestingly enough) rather than the tried and true victory speeches to the faithful? I think voters actually want a demagogue.

GannonFan wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: Reagan managed to attract this group in '80. Both parties have had periodic bloodlettings over ideology, but Trump is no ideologue. He's a demagogue.

Which is why he can attract people in this day and age. It's reality tv time and demagogues do well in that environment. How else to explain Trump actually doing press conferences after results on some election nights (not last night interestingly enough) rather than the tried and true victory speeches to the faithful? I think voters actually want a demagogue.

Some do. I hear that "Bull" O'Reilly said that last night.

Ivytalk wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Which is why he can attract people in this day and age. It's reality tv time and demagogues do well in that environment. How else to explain Trump actually doing press conferences after results on some election nights (not last night interestingly enough) rather than the tried and true victory speeches to the faithful? I think voters actually want a demagogue.

Some do. I hear that "Bull" O'Reilly said that last night.

I stayed on CNN last night - I like their coverage on election nights and I like hearing Wolf Blitzer break in when they have a breaking story. Plus I dig their tv screen with the county by county results.