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Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:48 pm
by Chizzang
The basics
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Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:58 pm
by CitadelGrad
Well, maybe not nothing. The heads of state in Ukraine and Iceland are under pressure to resign because of this.

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:29 am
by Skjellyfetti

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:28 am
by kalm
Chizzy, are you implying...because it's fully endorsed by political leaders and "perfectly legal"?
… But even though various criminal money-laundering schemes are the sexiest possible use of shell companies, the day-to-day tax dodging is what really pays the bills. As a manager of offshore bank accounts told me years ago, “People think of banking secrecy as all about terrorists and drug smugglers, but the truth is there are a lot of rich people who don’t want to pay taxes.” And the system persists because there are a lot of politicians in the West who don’t particularly want to make them. …

… Incorporating your hedge fund in a country with no corporate income tax even though all your fund’s employees and investors live in the United States is perfectly legal. So is, in most cases, setting up a Panamanian shell company to own and manage most of your family’s fortune.
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/04/a-k ... legalized/

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:00 am
by Ivytalk
Delaware's losing the Corporate Race to the Bottom. :ohno:

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:09 am
by Grizalltheway
Shouldn't the Ayn Rand-ian conks be in favor of this? Captains of industry protecting their hard-earned wealth from the evil redistributionists? :?

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:04 am
by Ivytalk
Grizalltheway wrote:Shouldn't the Ayn Rand-ian conks be in favor of this? Captains of industry protecting their hard-earned wealth from the evil redistributionists? :?
Yeah, but Panama is so tacky and third-worldy. :thumbdown: Whatever happened to the good old days of Switzerland?

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:19 am
by Chizzang
CitadelGrad wrote:Well, maybe not nothing. The heads of state in Ukraine and Iceland are under pressure to resign because of this.
:rofl:

Under pressure to resign...
If I could steal millions of dollars and the result was "pressure"
not 50 years in prison

So what....

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:38 am
by SDHornet
Skjellyfetti wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrsI0Sw2hq8[/youtube]
This is great fodder for bernie. This story would be even better if hilldog is somewhere in the leaks (she probably deleted those emails already).
:clap:

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:38 am
by SDHornet
Chizzang wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:Well, maybe not nothing. The heads of state in Ukraine and Iceland are under pressure to resign because of this.
:rofl:

Under pressure to resign...
If I could steal millions of dollars and the result was "pressure"
not 50 years in prison

So what....
No kidding.

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:42 am
by CitadelGrad
Chizzang wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:Well, maybe not nothing. The heads of state in Ukraine and Iceland are under pressure to resign because of this.
:rofl:

Under pressure to resign...
If I could steal millions of dollars and the result was "pressure"
not 50 years in prison

So what....
Resignation would be the first step. We all know that Iceland does not tolerate financial shenanigans.

Poroshenko is the CIA's boy, but the Ukie opposition has been alleging Poroshenko's financial malfeasance since he's been in office. If Ukraine is willing to put a hot former female president in prison, they'll be more than happy to put Poroshenko in prison.

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:42 am
by SDHornet
Grizalltheway wrote:Shouldn't the Ayn Rand-ian conks be in favor of this? Captains of industry protecting their hard-earned wealth from the evil redistributionists? :?
Or we could lower corporate taxes so that the cost and hassle of going through this isn't worth it...of course now there will just be another "Panama" that will get something like this going.

I equate this feel good story to the increase in minimum wage to $15 CA just passed. Yeah it's cool, but it really just increases the demand for cheap illegal labor. :lol:

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:12 am
by tribe_pride
CitadelGrad wrote:Well, maybe not nothing. The heads of state in Ukraine and Iceland are under pressure to resign because of this.
I read that the Iceland PM just resigned

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:25 am
by Ibanez
SDHornet wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Shouldn't the Ayn Rand-ian conks be in favor of this? Captains of industry protecting their hard-earned wealth from the evil redistributionists? :?
Or we could lower corporate taxes so that the cost and hassle of going through this isn't worth it...of course now there will just be another "Panama" that will get something like this going.

I equate this feel good story to the increase in minimum wage to $15 CA just passed. Yeah it's cool, but it really just increases the demand for cheap illegal labor. :lol:
NY and CA just got more expensive.

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:26 am
by Ivytalk
tribe_pride wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:Well, maybe not nothing. The heads of state in Ukraine and Iceland are under pressure to resign because of this.
I read that the Iceland PM just resigned
Must have been the roaring throng of 150 reproductively-challenged Icelanders in the Reykjavik public square. :coffee:

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:46 am
by 89Hen
Damn Icelanders.

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:58 am
by Baldy
Ivytalk wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Shouldn't the Ayn Rand-ian conks be in favor of this? Captains of industry protecting their hard-earned wealth from the evil redistributionists? :?
Yeah, but Panama is so tacky and third-worldy. :thumbdown: Whatever happened to the good old days of Switzerland?
I prefer the Cayman's. :nod:

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:35 am
by dbackjon
Ivytalk wrote:Delaware's losing the Corporate Race to the Bottom. :ohno:

You need to move to Panama!

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:36 am
by dbackjon
SDHornet wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Shouldn't the Ayn Rand-ian conks be in favor of this? Captains of industry protecting their hard-earned wealth from the evil redistributionists? :?
Or we could lower corporate taxes so that the cost and hassle of going through this isn't worth it...of course now there will just be another "Panama" that will get something like this going.

I equate this feel good story to the increase in minimum wage to $15 CA just passed. Yeah it's cool, but it really just increases the demand for cheap illegal labor. :lol:


We could lower it to 5% and there would still be tax dodging. Taxes are for the little people.

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:46 am
by 89Hen
dbackjon wrote:Taxes are for the little people.
Good to know I'm a little person. A vast majority of folks on your side of the isle don't agree. :coffee:

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:04 am
by JoltinJoe
SDHornet wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
:rofl:

Under pressure to resign...
If I could steal millions of dollars and the result was "pressure"
not 50 years in prison

So what....
No kidding.
We've become so tolerant of leaders who amass great personal wealth and the expense of the public.

Kings and despots were hanged or beheaded for these type of atrocities at the start of the Enlightenment era. Which is why we can all tour Versailles today.

Would today's despots be so quick to gorge themselves like this if they feared having their necks being placed under the guillotine?

Hey, just a thought ...

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:09 am
by dbackjon
JoltinJoe wrote:
SDHornet wrote: No kidding.
We've become so tolerant of leaders who amass great personal wealth and the expense of the public.

Kings and despots were hanged or beheaded for these type of atrocities at the start of the Enlightenment era. Which is why we can all tour Versailles today.

Would today's despots be so quick to gorge themselves like this if they feared having their necks being placed under the guillotine?

Hey, just a thought ...
I'm down for a little revolution.

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:10 am
by bandl
dbackjon wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote: We've become so tolerant of leaders who amass great personal wealth and the expense of the public.

Kings and despots were hanged or beheaded for these type of atrocities at the start of the Enlightenment era. Which is why we can all tour Versailles today.

Would today's despots be so quick to gorge themselves like this if they feared having their necks being placed under the guillotine?

Hey, just a thought ...
I'm down for a little revolution.
:? Uh, your peeps don't do so well in these revolutions....you know?

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:14 am
by Chizzang
JoltinJoe wrote:
SDHornet wrote: No kidding.
We've become so tolerant of leaders who amass great personal wealth and the expense of the public.

Kings and despots were hanged or beheaded for these type of atrocities at the start of the Enlightenment era. Which is why we can all tour Versailles today.

Would today's despots be so quick to gorge themselves like this if they feared having their necks being placed under the guillotine?

Hey, just a thought ...
Joe,
The only way the unwashed masses can affect change (effect change) is to start killing people in power
I'm not suggesting - I'm saying "History shows us this"

The Ruling Class will rule until they are dragged into the streets and killed
and they will then quickly be replaced by a new ruling class - who will eventually behave the same

:kisswink:

and so.... her we are again

Re: Panama Papers... and why nothing will come of it

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:14 am
by dbackjon
bandl wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
I'm down for a little revolution.
:? Uh, your peeps don't do so well in these revolutions....you know?

Who do you think coordinates all the outfits?