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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby Aho Old Guy » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:03 pm

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'Tasteless': Boris Johnson's sister Rachel criticises his 'reprehensible' language in Commons

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Ms Johnson said: "A lot of this language was initiated in the tabloids, because we had [headlines] like 'crush the saboteurs', we had the judiciary and remain MPs being 'enemies of the people', words like collaborationist, betrayal.

"My brother is using words like 'surrender' and 'capitulation' as if the people standing in the way of the blessed will of the people, as defined by the 17.4 million votes in 2016, should be hung, drawn, quartered, tarred, and feathered.

"I think that is highly reprehensible.

"I hope today in the Commons there will be some sort of deal on all sides that this sort of thing is utterly dialled down.

"It serves no purpose."


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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby GannonFan » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:09 pm

I dunno, I think the Brits are getting soft. They're triggered by the word "surrender" like it's going to cause violence to say the word. Censorship is real (and yes, Boris is pretty much a clown, but he is a politician so the chances of him being a clown were highly probable).
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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby CID1990 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:43 pm

I learned something new today -

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/impact-u ... 06935.html

Britain never had a Supreme Court until EU rules forced them to convert the old law lords portion of the House of Lords into a de facto "Supreme Court". Before that, questions of constitutionality were decided within Parliament.

Aside from all of the usual issues we have seen with the loss of sovereignty as a result of membership in the EU, countries like the UK also saw their traditional governmental structures altered, and this is one of the consequences of that.
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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby Aho Old Guy » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:22 am

After 700+ years, the **UK traditional governmental structures** likely need a bit of updating ...
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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby GannonFan » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:40 am

Aho Old Guy wrote:After 700+ years, the **UK traditional governmental structures** likely need a bit of updating ...
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No doubt, but I'm sure this was/is just one microcosm of the reason why so many Brits wanted to leave the EU - they didn't like Brussels telling them how they had to setup and run their government. I don't remember us reacting very well to the idea that US service personnel could be tried in foreign courts rather than having those cases tried back here in the US.
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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:20 am

CID1990 wrote:Britain never had a Supreme Court until EU rules forced them to convert the old law lords portion of the House of Lords into a de facto "Supreme Court". Before that, questions of constitutionality were decided within Parliament.

Can you cite where EU rules forced the UK to do this? The article you linked has nothing to do with that, and I've searched everywhere (including articles from 2009) and can't find a single mention of it.

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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby Ivytalk » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:49 am

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CID1990 wrote:Britain never had a Supreme Court until EU rules forced them to convert the old law lords portion of the House of Lords into a de facto "Supreme Court". Before that, questions of constitutionality were decided within Parliament.

Can you cite where EU rules forced the UK to do this? The article you linked has nothing to do with that, and I've searched everywhere (including articles from 2009) and can't find a single mention of it.

I understood that the creation of the UK Supreme Court was motivated independently by separation of powers concerns and not required by EU rules. The EU constitutional system gives the EU Court of Justice supremacy in matters of European law, but not the domestic law of the Member States.
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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby GannonFan » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:03 am

Ivytalk wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Can you cite where EU rules forced the UK to do this? The article you linked has nothing to do with that, and I've searched everywhere (including articles from 2009) and can't find a single mention of it.

I understood that the creation of the UK Supreme Court was motivated independently by separation of powers concerns and not required by EU rules. The EU constitutional system gives the EU Court of Justice supremacy in matters of European law, but not the domestic law of the Member States.


I understood it to be that they (the UK) was worried they weren't in compliance with Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Right (fair trial).

Like I said, no doubt the UK needed to update things - you go 900 years and every now and then you need a course correction.
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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby CID1990 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:57 am

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CID1990 wrote:Britain never had a Supreme Court until EU rules forced them to convert the old law lords portion of the House of Lords into a de facto "Supreme Court". Before that, questions of constitutionality were decided within Parliament.

Can you cite where EU rules forced the UK to do this? The article you linked has nothing to do with that, and I've searched everywhere (including articles from 2009) and can't find a single mention of it.


You found no mention of it because you don’t read very carefully

(which explains a lot)

“Given that this has all happened due to the Brexit vote, the greatest irony here is that Britain only has a Supreme Court because European Union rules essentially required it to establish one.”


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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:14 am

CID1990 wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Can you cite where EU rules forced the UK to do this? The article you linked has nothing to do with that, and I've searched everywhere (including articles from 2009) and can't find a single mention of it.


You found no mention of it because you don’t read very carefully

(which explains a lot)

“Given that this has all happened due to the Brexit vote, the greatest irony here is that Britain only has a Supreme Court because European Union rules essentially required it to establish one.”

I see it after the break now.

Still, this is an opinion piece. Online, there's little relating the creation of the Supreme Court to a requirement by the European Union, but I did find this from the BBC from 2009:

How does the court relate to Europe?

The court has a role in interpreting law passed in the name of the European Union and, separately, ensuring that the British courts take into account rulings from the European Court of Human Rights. Some people whose cases are rejected by the Supreme Court will be able to ask the European Court to intervene where there needs to be more clarity on specific areas of human rights.

Still, that just explains how the court works in reviewing EU laws. Perhaps it was indirectly created to modernize the court so it can better work within the EU system, but doesn't seem like it was a direct circumstance of European Union rules. Unless anyone can find the rule...

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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby CID1990 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am

∞∞∞ wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
You found no mention of it because you don’t read very carefully

(which explains a lot)

“Given that this has all happened due to the Brexit vote, the greatest irony here is that Britain only has a Supreme Court because European Union rules essentially required it to establish one.”

I see it after the break now.

Still, this is an opinion piece. Online, there's little relating the creation of the Supreme Court to a requirement by the European Union, but I did find this from the BBC from 2009:

How does the court relate to Europe?

The court has a role in interpreting law passed in the name of the European Union and, separately, ensuring that the British courts take into account rulings from the European Court of Human Rights. Some people whose cases are rejected by the Supreme Court will be able to ask the European Court to intervene where there needs to be more clarity on specific areas of human rights.

Still, that just explains how the court works in reviewing EU laws. Perhaps it was indirectly created to modernize the court so it can better work within the EU system, but doesn't seem like it was a direct circumstance of European Union rules. Unless anyone can find the rule...


Back to the original point which is loss of sovereignty

Its so unfortunate that people in democracies get to vote, I guess


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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby Ibanez » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:41 am

Been in the UK for a week now. Took lil CCU to a park this morning and was chatting with the locals. As they explained it - the general consensus is to do something. Leave or stay. Do something and say something. There isn’t a lot of love for Boris over here.


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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby kalm » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:30 am

Ibanez wrote:Been in the UK for a week now. Took lil CCU to a park this morning and was chatting with the locals. As they explained it - the general consensus is to do something. Leave or stay. Do something and say something. There isn’t a lot of love for Boris over here.


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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby Ibanez » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:37 am

kalm wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Been in the UK for a week now. Took lil CCU to a park this morning and was chatting with the locals. As they explained it - the general consensus is to do something. Leave or stay. Do something and say something. There isn’t a lot of love for Boris over here.


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(That was a great FB post, thank you).

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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby bluehenbillk » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:01 am

So they reach a deal last night that will need to go back to both the EU & UK Parliaments to be approved. Early prognosticators say EU approves, UK doesn't, EU tells them to pound sand & Johnson gets his hard exit wish.
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Re: Brexit Thread

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bluehenbillk wrote:So they reach a deal last night that will need to go back to both the EU & UK Parliaments to be approved. Early prognosticators say EU approves, UK doesn't, EU tells them to pound sand & Johnson gets his hard exit wish.

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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby GannonFan » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:18 am

Ivytalk wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:So they reach a deal last night that will need to go back to both the EU & UK Parliaments to be approved. Early prognosticators say EU approves, UK doesn't, EU tells them to pound sand & Johnson gets his hard exit wish.

Northern Ireland remains the main problem. Now there’s a big surprise.


Imagine, all of this because the first Queen Elizabeth and later King James I decided stocking Northern Ireland with English and Scots was the best way forward. Who knew 400 years later the UK would still be dealing with this decision. :coffee:
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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby Ibanez » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:25 am

It’s flipping chaos outside of Parliament. Roads are all closed for the protestors. Paddy wagons are lining the streets, I’ve counted at least 5 helicopters just hovering above. People are wearing the E.U. flag or clothes with the flag on it. I’m not sure they understand that NOT brexitting isn’t an option.

It’s crazy out here. This is Mark in the U.K., back to you in the studio.


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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby CID1990 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:31 pm

Ibanez wrote:It’s flipping chaos outside of Parliament. Roads are all closed for the protestors. Paddy wagons are lining the streets, I’ve counted at least 5 helicopters just hovering above. People are wearing the E.U. flag or clothes with the flag on it. I’m not sure they understand that NOT brexitting isn’t an option.

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Re: Brexit Thread

Postby Ibanez » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:05 am

CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:It’s flipping chaos outside of Parliament. Roads are all closed for the protestors. Paddy wagons are lining the streets, I’ve counted at least 5 helicopters just hovering above. People are wearing the E.U. flag or clothes with the flag on it. I’m not sure they understand that NOT brexitting isn’t an option.

It’s crazy out here. This is Mark in the U.K., back to you in the studio.


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Ever notice how the first people to holler about threats to democracy are also the first to protest its outcomes?


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Yup. Funny how that works out.


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