Fun fact I didn't know before I owned a BMW car:UNI88 wrote:traded in their beads and idealism for Beemers and materialism
Beemer is a BMW motorcycle.
Bimmer is a BMW car.
Fun fact I didn't know before I owned a BMW car:UNI88 wrote:traded in their beads and idealism for Beemers and materialism
Yeah if your life began in the 1990s, I guesskalm wrote:But wouldn’t Brexit and breaking up the NHS be radical change?CID1990 wrote:
Of course you don’t respect it
That’s why you’d change the system to favor your preferred outcome if you could - its the MO of every two-bit communist troll that ever lived
You may think you’re on the verge of a political takeover but you aren’t... people generally dont like radical change. And when it is tried, it fails. History should be your guide but of course nobody has tried it with your own special sauce
Democracy is the enemy of people like you
I think all of you are making good points here. As for Brexit, autonomy has to be a huge selling point. What’s also interesting is that Corbin’s demise was partially blamed on ties to anti-semitism.
Good to know. Now I can intentionally mix them up just to piss off beimmer owners. I'm an asshole that way.93henfan wrote:Fun fact I didn't know before I owned a BMW car:UNI88 wrote:traded in their beads and idealism for Beemers and materialism
Beemer is a BMW motorcycle.
Bimmer is a BMW car.
That's cool. You'll piss off the motorcycle people more. Not including me, BMW car owners are typically non-enthusiasts and wouldn't even pick up on it.UNI88 wrote:Good to know. Now I can intentionally mix them up just to piss off beimmer owners. I'm an asshole that way.93henfan wrote:
Fun fact I didn't know before I owned a BMW car:
Beemer is a BMW motorcycle.
Bimmer is a BMW car.
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I’m not arguing whether Brexit is good or bad. I’d probably vote for it to be honest. But if subsidized tuition (which we’ve had before and currently do in some forms) and Medicare for All (we currently have Medicare for some) are radical ideas that will turn us into a Stalinist regime then Brexit and disbanding the NHS are as well...despite only being around for decades.CID1990 wrote:Yeah if your life began in the 1990s, I guesskalm wrote:
But wouldn’t Brexit and breaking up the NHS be radical change?
I think all of you are making good points here. As for Brexit, autonomy has to be a huge selling point. What’s also interesting is that Corbin’s demise was partially blamed on ties to anti-semitism.
Britain’s dalliance in the EU is a failed experiment. Britons have overwhelmingly decided this. Brexit is a return to the normalcy of national sovereignty from the radical change that was membership in the EU.
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No, klamkalm wrote:I’m not arguing whether Brexit is good or bad. I’d probably vote for it to be honest. But if subsidized tuition (which we’ve had before and currently do in some forms) and Medicare for All (we currently have Medicare for some) are radical ideas that will turn us into a Stalinist regime then Brexit and disbanding the NHS are as well...despite only being around for decades.CID1990 wrote:
Yeah if your life began in the 1990s, I guess
Britain’s dalliance in the EU is a failed experiment. Britons have overwhelmingly decided this. Brexit is a return to the normalcy of national sovereignty from the radical change that was membership in the EU.
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Hint: the term radical is thrown around pretty damn loosely.
I already acknowledged that sovereignty was the issue at stake with Brexit (which you missed or dismissed to claim a logical gotcha). I was expanding the debate to what’s considered radical. The term “radical” has been thrown around rather loosely to describe both sides. Sorry you can’t walk and chew gum.CID1990 wrote:No, klamkalm wrote:
I’m not arguing whether Brexit is good or bad. I’d probably vote for it to be honest. But if subsidized tuition (which we’ve had before and currently do in some forms) and Medicare for All (we currently have Medicare for some) are radical ideas that will turn us into a Stalinist regime then Brexit and disbanding the NHS are as well...despite only being around for decades.
Hint: the term radical is thrown around pretty damn loosely.
You are drawing false equivalencies
Brexit is a conservative move back to national sovereignty. If you want to classify it as radical change with some vacuous comparison to overreaching socialist economic changes then bless your heart
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Brexit is radical? No, klamkalm wrote:I already acknowledged that sovereignty was the issue at stake with Brexit (which you missed or dismissed to claim a logical gotcha). I was expanding the debate to what’s considered radical. The term “radical” has been thrown around rather loosely to describe both sides. Sorry you can’t walk and chew gum.CID1990 wrote:
No, klam
You are drawing false equivalencies
Brexit is a conservative move back to national sovereignty. If you want to classify it as radical change with some vacuous comparison to overreaching socialist economic changes then bless your heart
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Embrace your conkness. It’s ok.
Kind of like debt forgiveness?CID1990 wrote:Brexit is radical? No, klamkalm wrote:
I already acknowledged that sovereignty was the issue at stake with Brexit (which you missed or dismissed to claim a logical gotcha). I was expanding the debate to what’s considered radical. The term “radical” has been thrown around rather loosely to describe both sides. Sorry you can’t walk and chew gum.
Embrace your conkness. It’s ok.
(bless your heart)
Entry into the EU was radical. Brexit is the correction
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And a reminder that today’s arguments, louder and sometime more extreme, are not new...but just a reiteration of what some very smart people tried to tell us years ago...Pwns wrote:A blast from the past.
If the word "fruition" has 3 syllables, why doesn't "fruit" have 2 syllables?Col Hogan wrote: And a reminder that today’s arguments, louder and sometime more extreme, are not new...but just a reiteration of what some very smart people tried to tell us years ago...
And that those positions are coming to fruition...
Oh no - you’ve got that wrong...CAA Flagship wrote:If the word "fruition" has 3 syllables, why doesn't "fruit" have 2 syllables?Col Hogan wrote: And a reminder that today’s arguments, louder and sometime more extreme, are not new...but just a reiteration of what some very smart people tried to tell us years ago...
And that those positions are coming to fruition...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/uk/brexi ... index.htmlThe House of Commons has voted overwhelmingly in favor of Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Brexit deal, finally paving the way for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union later this month after more than four decades of membership.
The deal has cleared its biggest hurdle with the vote that followed a third reading in Parliament, in which 330 voted for and 231 against, putting an end to three years of political wrangling following the 2016 Brexit referendum.
I wish they had some decent crowd shots in that clip.Ivytalk wrote:Farage is a drama queen, but that speech was epic. The Brits showed up that bitchy EU president and her band of sycophants and toadies.
That may be the most efficient act that an EU bureaucrat has ever performed.HI54UNI wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nances-nhsA clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK leaving the EU single market and customs union.
The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has benefited them or the country.
Just one in 10 believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS, against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.
Ominously for prime minister Rishi Sunak, who backed Brexit and claimed it would be economically beneficial, only 7% of people think it has helped keep down prices in UK shops, against 63% who think Brexit has been a factor in fuelling inflation and the cost of living crisis.
The poll suggests that seven and a half years on from the referendum the British public now regards Brexit as a failure. Just 22% of voters believe it has been good for the UK in general.
No surprise. Anything the Right touches turns to shit.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:10 pmhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nances-nhsA clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK leaving the EU single market and customs union.
The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has benefited them or the country.
Just one in 10 believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS, against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.
Ominously for prime minister Rishi Sunak, who backed Brexit and claimed it would be economically beneficial, only 7% of people think it has helped keep down prices in UK shops, against 63% who think Brexit has been a factor in fuelling inflation and the cost of living crisis.
The poll suggests that seven and a half years on from the referendum the British public now regards Brexit as a failure. Just 22% of voters believe it has been good for the UK in general.
Been to NYC lately? Or ever?dbackjon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:11 amNo surprise. Anything the Right touches turns to shit.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:10 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nances-nhs
The economic impacts are pretty clear - what I don't understand is why they think Brexit has made it harder to control immigration. They literally had no control over immigration prior to Brexit - they had to follow EU rules on freedom of movement. Now they don't. How that means it's harder to control immigration is a mystery to me.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:10 pmhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nances-nhsA clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK leaving the EU single market and customs union.
The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has benefited them or the country.
Just one in 10 believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS, against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.
Ominously for prime minister Rishi Sunak, who backed Brexit and claimed it would be economically beneficial, only 7% of people think it has helped keep down prices in UK shops, against 63% who think Brexit has been a factor in fuelling inflation and the cost of living crisis.
The poll suggests that seven and a half years on from the referendum the British public now regards Brexit as a failure. Just 22% of voters believe it has been good for the UK in general.