Shooter scenario

[HI54UNI]

Had a discussion with some friends about how to respond if you were in an area with an active shooter and you were carrying a concealed weapon. The opinions were interesting. What would you do? Actively pursue the shooter? Attack the shooter only if given a clear opportunity? Retreat to cover for you and any family/friends and wait and only use the weapon to protect yourself?

[DSUrocks07]

Had a discussion with some friends about how to respond if you were in an area with an active shooter and you were carrying a concealed weapon. The opinions were interesting. What would you do? Actively pursue the shooter? Attack the shooter only if given a clear opportunity? Retreat to cover for you and any family/friends and wait and only use the weapon to protect yourself?

You have to be careful because if you actively pursue an active shooter, you're technically an active shooter as well

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[ASUG8]

Had a discussion with some friends about how to respond if you were in an area with an active shooter and you were carrying a concealed weapon. The opinions were interesting. What would you do? Actively pursue the shooter? Attack the shooter only if given a clear opportunity? Retreat to cover for you and any family/friends and wait and only use the weapon to protect yourself?

You have to be careful because if you actively pursue an active shooter, you're technically an active shooter as well

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This.
From my CWP class, I think I remember that your first duty is to retreat if possible. I don't carry much, but I could see myself getting pretty actively involved in a public place if necessary (although in SC there's no way I'd get off the first responding shot ). It's hard to say how you'd respond in the heat of the moment, but I think I'd probably attack if given a clean shot.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I would GTF out of the situation as fast as possible and not help anyone else but my friends and family.

Then go fishing

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[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

I would say that it would depend on what the surroundings were like would determine how I would react. The first thing would certainly to try and keep your weapon concealed for as long as you could. You don't want become a threat to the shooter until you can react, keep the element of surprise. If it is a crowded mall etc., I don't think there is any way you as an individual can pursue a shooter. You would have to sit back and take a shot when you had a clear one and you had to protect yourself. Again, the situation would really dictate how I would react. I would mostly try and protect myself and my family first and foremost. It really is an interesting discussion and one that as an conceal carry person you should think through.

[Thumper 76]

Immediate vicinity? Bang bang. Happen to be around the building where it's happening? Don't jump in at all.


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[CAA Flagship]

I would hit the ground and play dead.
At least until the asshole on the ground next to me starts bleeding in my direction. Fuck that.
I would then be forced to shoot the shooter. And then shoot the guy that tried to bleed on me.
And if this all took place at a bar, I would then pour myself a tall drink.

[andy7171]

I had a conversation the other day about this, sans the CC gun. If you were in that bathroom with the shooter, would you charge him or just wait to get slaughtered? Fuck that, I'm going down in flames and maybe save someone.
My FIL asked if I thought if the shooter choose the gay bar for just that reason.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

I had a conversation the other day about this, sans the CC gun. If you were in that bathroom with the shooter, would you charge him or just wait to get slaughtered? Fuck that, I'm going down in flames and maybe save someone.
My FIL asked if I thought if the shooter choose the gay bar for just that reason.

You mean go down?

[ASUG8]

I would hit the ground and play dead.
At least until the asshole on the ground next to me starts bleeding in my direction. Fuck that.
I would then be forced to shoot the shooter. And then shoot the guy that tried to bleed on me.
And if this all took place at a bar, I would then pour myself a tall drink.

That's the issue right there. Most people who go to bars drink, and one of the first rules of CWP is you can't drink and carry. Even if you go in and don't drink, they probably have a posted sign that bans concealed weapons that you have to abide by law. For a guy with an AR to walk into a bar of any type would be like shooting fish in a barrel, pardon the play on words.

[andy7171]

I would hit the ground and play dead.
At least until the asshole on the ground next to me starts bleeding in my direction. Fuck that.
I would then be forced to shoot the shooter. And then shoot the guy that tried to bleed on me.
And if this all took place at a bar, I would then pour myself a tall drink.

That's the issue right there. Most people who go to bars drink, and one of the first rules of CWP is you can't drink and carry. Even if you go in and don't drink, they probably have a posted sign that bans concealed weapons that you have to abide by law. For a guy with an AR to walk into a bar of any type would be like shooting fish in a barrel, pardon the play on words.

Well, the shooter broke the law, just walking in! How was this allowed to proceed beyond that?

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

I would hit the ground and play dead.
At least until the asshole on the ground next to me starts bleeding in my direction. Fuck that.
I would then be forced to shoot the shooter. And then shoot the guy that tried to bleed on me.
And if this all took place at a bar, I would then pour myself a tall drink.

That's the issue right there. Most people who go to bars drink, and one of the first rules of CWP is you can't drink and carry. Even if you go in and don't drink, they probably have a posted sign that bans concealed weapons that you have to abide by law. For a guy with an AR to walk into a bar of any type would be like shooting fish in a barrel, pardon the play on words.

Utah will pull your permit for an alcohol offense, even a DUI. the BCI pulls the driving record stuff nightly and runs a cross check. You can be around alcohol in Utah but not drinking. You are right, if they post no weapons, you can't carry there.

[ASUG8]

That's the issue right there. Most people who go to bars drink, and one of the first rules of CWP is you can't drink and carry. Even if you go in and don't drink, they probably have a posted sign that bans concealed weapons that you have to abide by law. For a guy with an AR to walk into a bar of any type would be like shooting fish in a barrel, pardon the play on words.

Well, the shooter broke the law, just walking in! How was this allowed to proceed beyond that?

That's why penalizing people who follow the rules makes no sense.

[Rob Iola]

You have to be careful because if you actively pursue an active shooter, you're technically an active shooter as well

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This.
From my CWP class, I think I remember that your first duty is to retreat if possible. I don't carry much, but I could see myself getting pretty actively involved in a public place if necessary (although in SC there's no way I'd get off the first responding shot ). It's hard to say how you'd respond in the heat of the moment, but I think I'd probably attack if given a clean shot.

Charleston's in SC, no? I don't recall hearing about any responding shots.

My point is that between the element of surprise, the scoping out of vulnerable kill zones, and a rudimentary understanding of human response tactics, most of the active shooters we hear about these days have significant advantages that they fully exploit before even trained LEOs can mount an effective response.

[andy7171]

This.
From my CWP class, I think I remember that your first duty is to retreat if possible. I don't carry much, but I could see myself getting pretty actively involved in a public place if necessary (although in SC there's no way I'd get off the first responding shot ). It's hard to say how you'd respond in the heat of the moment, but I think I'd probably attack if given a clean shot.

Charleston's in SC, no? I don't recall hearing about any responding shots.

My point is that between the element of surprise, the scoping out of vulnerable kill zones, and a rudimentary understanding of human response tactics, most of the active shooters we hear about these days have significant advantages that they fully exploit before even trained LEOs can mount an effective response.

Pretty hard to prevent a person hell bent on killing as many people as possible and expecting to die.

[Ibanez]

This.
From my CWP class, I think I remember that your first duty is to retreat if possible. I don't carry much, but I could see myself getting pretty actively involved in a public place if necessary (although in SC there's no way I'd get off the first responding shot ). It's hard to say how you'd respond in the heat of the moment, but I think I'd probably attack if given a clean shot.

Charleston's in SC, no? I don't recall hearing about any responding shots.

My point is that between the element of surprise, the scoping out of vulnerable kill zones, and a rudimentary understanding of human response tactics, most of the active shooters we hear about these days have significant advantages that they fully exploit before even trained LEOs can mount an effective response.

Seriously? It was bible study.

[grizzaholic]

You shouldn't be carrying guns. Leave that to the police. They are always there to help and protect.

Did I do that right houndy?

[Col Hogan]

You shouldn't be carrying guns. Leave that to the police. They are always there to help and protect.

Did I do that right houndy?

Beat me to the correct answer

[Rob Iola]

Charleston's in SC, no? I don't recall hearing about any responding shots.

My point is that between the element of surprise, the scoping out of vulnerable kill zones, and a rudimentary understanding of human response tactics, most of the active shooters we hear about these days have significant advantages that they fully exploit before even trained LEOs can mount an effective response.

Seriously? It was bible study.

Well exactly. Describe for me a real-life active shooter scenario recently where concealed carry would've made a difference? Even the really crazy whack-jobs pick locations where people have a hard time fighting back.

[Ibanez]

Seriously? It was bible study.

Well exactly. Describe for me a real-life active shooter scenario recently where concealed carry would've made a difference? Even the really crazy whack-jobs pick locations where people have a hard time fighting back.

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[ASUG8]

Seriously? It was bible study.

Well exactly. Describe for me a real-life active shooter scenario recently where concealed carry would've made a difference? Even the really crazy whack-jobs pick locations where people have a hard time fighting back.

Here's one off the top of my head I remember from a couple of years back:

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) - Police say a restaurant employee shot and killed two armed robbery suspects after they allegedly beat a fellow employee during a robbery attempt late Monday night.

The incident occurred around 11 p.m. at the Pizza Hut located at 5422 East Independence Boulevard.

Two would-be robbery suspects were found dead on the restaurant floor after police said an employee washing dishes pulled out his own gun and fired at them.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/13227659/rest ... y-suspects

[Col Hogan]

Go to Bearingarms.com for lots of stories on defensive use of a gun to include concealed carry

[grizzaholic]

Well exactly. Describe for me a real-life active shooter scenario recently where concealed carry would've made a difference? Even the really crazy whack-jobs pick locations where people have a hard time fighting back.

Here's one off the top of my head I remember from a couple of years back:

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) - Police say a restaurant employee shot and killed two armed robbery suspects after they allegedly beat a fellow employee during a robbery attempt late Monday night.

The incident occurred around 11 p.m. at the Pizza Hut located at 5422 East Independence Boulevard.

Two would-be robbery suspects were found dead on the restaurant floor after police said an employee washing dishes pulled out his own gun and fired at them.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/13227659/rest ... y-suspects

And the Pizza Hut employee was promptly fired.

[DSUrocks07]

Here's one off the top of my head I remember from a couple of years back:



http://www.wbtv.com/story/13227659/rest ... y-suspects

And the Pizza Hut employee was promptly fired.

Well at least he fired first...

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[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

And the Pizza Hut employee was promptly fired.

Well at least he fired first...

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