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"AMMAN, Jordan — Weapons shipped into Jordan by the Central Intelligence Agency and Saudi Arabia intended for Syrian rebels have been systematically stolen by Jordanian intelligence operatives and sold to arms merchants on the black market, according to American and Jordanian officials.

Some of the stolen weapons were used in a shooting in November that killed two Americans and three others at a police training facility in Amman, F.B.I. officials believe after months of investigating the attack, according to people familiar with the investigation."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/world ... .html?_r=0

Holy crap, you'd think Obama would have had enough with having our guns used to kill our people.

Mind you...Hillary was fully behind Obama providing arms to different rebel groups in both Syria and Libya.

This is the kind of leadership that JSO wants in office.

Alternate headline:

"Sun Rose in East Today"

Fast and Furious part deux.

CID1990 wrote:Alternate headline:

"Sun Rose in East Today"

My thoughts exactly.

Cluck U wrote:"AMMAN, Jordan — Weapons shipped into Jordan by the Central Intelligence Agency and Saudi Arabia intended for Syrian rebels have been systematically stolen by Jordanian intelligence operatives and sold to arms merchants on the black market, according to American and Jordanian officials.

Some of the stolen weapons were used in a shooting in November that killed two Americans and three others at a police training facility in Amman, F.B.I. officials believe after months of investigating the attack, according to people familiar with the investigation."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/world ... .html?_r=0

Holy crap, you'd think Obama would have had enough with having our guns used to kill our people.

Mind you...Hillary was fully behind Obama providing arms to different rebel groups in both Syria and Libya.

This is the kind of leadership that JSO wants in office.

Guns didn't kill those Americans, cuck, people did.

Why change a decades old tradition?

houndawg wrote:

Cluck U wrote:"AMMAN, Jordan — Weapons shipped into Jordan by the Central Intelligence Agency and Saudi Arabia intended for Syrian rebels have been systematically stolen by Jordanian intelligence operatives and sold to arms merchants on the black market, according to American and Jordanian officials.

Some of the stolen weapons were used in a shooting in November that killed two Americans and three others at a police training facility in Amman, F.B.I. officials believe after months of investigating the attack, according to people familiar with the investigation."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/world ... .html?_r=0

Holy crap, you'd think Obama would have had enough with having our guns used to kill our people.

Mind you...Hillary was fully behind Obama providing arms to different rebel groups in both Syria and Libya.

This is the kind of leadership that JSO wants in office.

Guns didn't kill those Americans, cuck, people did.

Why change a decades old tradition?

Excellent point. So why are we selling arms to whack jobs?

You know, I am not real impressed with the Obama Administration's foreign policy or HIllary's job as Secretary of State.

But when you're talking about Trump you're talking about someone who has never been in that position. There is absolutely no reason to assume he would do better. He has done stuff like, for instance, say a few years ago that he thinks our military should be used to take out Libya's Gaddafi then, after the fact say it was a mistake to take him out. There is absolutely no reason to think he has any clue.

Meanwhile he has consistently displayed the emotional maturity and stability of a 10 year old. He lies constantly; dwarfing even Hillary's performance in that area. He responded to a question about whether he had talked to his advisors about the potential effects of Brexit by saying there is nothing to talk about. No WAY we should be even seriously talking about that guy being President.

JohnStOnge wrote:You know, I am not real impressed with the Obama Administration's foreign policy or HIllary's job as Secretary of State.

But when you're talking about Trump you're talking about someone who has never been in that position. There is absolutely no reason to assume he would do better. He has done stuff like, for instance, say a few years ago that he thinks our military should be used to take out Libya's Gaddafi then, after the fact say it was a mistake to take him out. There is absolutely no reason to think he has any clue.

Meanwhile he has consistently displayed the emotional maturity and stability of a 10 year old. He lies constantly; dwarfing even Hillary's performance in that area. He responded to a question about whether he had talked to his advisors about the potential effects of Brexit by saying there is nothing to talk about. No WAY we should be even seriously talking about that guy being President.

But you want to continue Obama's policies? Does...not...compute....

Cluck U wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Guns didn't kill those Americans, cuck, people did.

Why change a decades old tradition?

Excellent point. So why are we selling arms to whack jobs?

Tradition.

JohnStOnge wrote:You know, I am not real impressed with the Obama Administration's foreign policy or HIllary's job as Secretary of State.

But when you're talking about Trump you're talking about someone who has never been in that position. There is absolutely no reason to assume he would do better. He has done stuff like, for instance, say a few years ago that he thinks our military should be used to take out Libya's Gaddafi then, after the fact say it was a mistake to take him out. There is absolutely no reason to think he has any clue.

Meanwhile he has consistently displayed the emotional maturity and stability of a 10 year old. He lies constantly; dwarfing even Hillary's performance in that area. He responded to a question about whether he had talked to his advisors about the potential effects of Brexit by saying there is nothing to talk about. No WAY we should be even seriously talking about that guy being President.

How did you just twist this into your Trump thread #693?

ASUG8 wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:You know, I am not real impressed with the Obama Administration's foreign policy or HIllary's job as Secretary of State.

But when you're talking about Trump you're talking about someone who has never been in that position. There is absolutely no reason to assume he would do better. He has done stuff like, for instance, say a few years ago that he thinks our military should be used to take out Libya's Gaddafi then, after the fact say it was a mistake to take him out. There is absolutely no reason to think he has any clue.

Meanwhile he has consistently displayed the emotional maturity and stability of a 10 year old. He lies constantly; dwarfing even Hillary's performance in that area. He responded to a question about whether he had talked to his advisors about the potential effects of Brexit by saying there is nothing to talk about. No WAY we should be even seriously talking about that guy being President.

How did you just twist this into your Trump thread #693?

Exactly!

It was pretty obviously a Trump thread to begin with since it's an attack on HIllary initiated by Cluck. I mean come on guys.

JohnStOnge wrote:It was pretty obviously a Trump thread to begin with since it's an attack on HIllary initiated by Cluck. I mean come on guys.

Now your trolling for sure...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/opini ... pe=article

"The C.I.A. helped Jordan establish its intelligence service — the General Intelligence Directorate, or G.I.D. — during the reign of King Hussein, who died in 1999. Although the agency is respected in Washington as a professional and competent force, two of its recent leaders have gone to prison for embezzlement, money laundering and bank fraud. This latest case suggests there is corruption throughout the organization.

Instead of delivering the weapons to the American-backed rebels, the Jordanian officers involved in the recent swindle sold Kalashnikov rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades to several large arms bazaars that have long stocked the arsenals of criminal gangs, tribes and other groups. Then the officers bought themselves S.U.V.s, iPhones and other luxuries. Although word of the theft reached the Jordanian government last year, the operation was not shut down until a few months ago, after American and Saudi complaints.

G.I.D. investigators arrested several dozen officers involved in the scheme, and the officers were fired. But they were eventually freed and permitted to keep their pensions and profits from the theft."


Hillary wanted the Syrian war...and the Libyan war.

Yup...that is the kind of experience we need in the Oval Office.

Oh, and we have promised Jordan $3 BILLION dollars in economic and miliatray aid, partly to help with the refugee problem Obomba and Hillary helped create.

Wonder what we could do with $3 billion dollars to help our own people?

Funny, the writer manages to blame the CIA for their lack of oversight...and tries to imply Obomba didn't want to arm the rebels. Yup, imagine the New York Times trying to find a way to not blame Obomba or Hillary.

Obomba knew what would happen, and made the decision to interfere anyway. He sure likes to use that pen, doesn't he?

Cluck U wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/opini ... pe=article

"The C.I.A. helped Jordan establish its intelligence service — the General Intelligence Directorate, or G.I.D. — during the reign of King Hussein, who died in 1999. Although the agency is respected in Washington as a professional and competent force, two of its recent leaders have gone to prison for embezzlement, money laundering and bank fraud. This latest case suggests there is corruption throughout the organization.

Instead of delivering the weapons to the American-backed rebels, the Jordanian officers involved in the recent swindle sold Kalashnikov rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades to several large arms bazaars that have long stocked the arsenals of criminal gangs, tribes and other groups. Then the officers bought themselves S.U.V.s, iPhones and other luxuries. Although word of the theft reached the Jordanian government last year, the operation was not shut down until a few months ago, after American and Saudi complaints.

G.I.D. investigators arrested several dozen officers involved in the scheme, and the officers were fired. But they were eventually freed and permitted to keep their pensions and profits from the theft."


Hillary wanted the Syrian war...and the Libyan war.

Yup...that is the kind of experience we need in the Oval Office.

Oh, and we have promised Jordan $3 BILLION dollars in economic and miliatray aid, partly to help with the refugee problem Obomba and Hillary helped create.

Wonder what we could do with $3 billion dollars to help our own people?

Funny, the writer manages to blame the CIA for their lack of oversight...and tries to imply Obomba didn't want to arm the rebels. Yup, imagine the New York Times trying to find a way to not blame Obomba or Hillary.

Obomba knew what would happen, and made the decision to interfere anyway. He sure likes to use that pen, doesn't he?

Change!!!

Here's a good read:

"In 1996 the CIA set up a special unit called Alec Station with the aim of targeting Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaeda network. It was headed by Michael Scheuer who found the Saudis less than cooperative. “When we set up the unit in 1996 we asked the Saudis for some basic material on bin Laden, like his birth certificate, his financial records – obvious stuff,” recalled Mr Scheuer many years later. “We got nothing.”

The CIA unit pursuing bin Laden kept on requesting this mundane but necessary information about their target from the Saudis for the next three years but got no reply. “Finally in 1999, we get a message from the [CIA] station chief in Riyadh, a Mr John Brennan,” Mr Scheuer said in an interview published in Kill Chain: Drones and the Rise of High-Tech Assassins by my brother Andrew Cockburn. “He said we should stop sending these requests as it was ‘upsetting the Saudis’.”

The story is important because John Brennan has been director of the CIA since he replaced David Petraeus in 2013 and last week he was once again avoiding any upset to the Saudis by telling the Saudi-owned al-Arabiya television station that the 28 pages in the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry relating to Saudi Arabia that have never been released contain “no evidence to indicate that the Saudi government as an institution -- or as senior Saudi officials individually -- had supported the 9/11 attacks."

This is not the impression of others who have read the report and dodges the question of indirect Saudi support for or tolerance of al-Qaeda in the past. But the important point is that in the 20 years between 1996 and 2016, the CIA and British security and foreign policy agencies have consistently given priority to maintaining their partnership with powerful Sunni states such as Saudi Arabia, the Gulf monarchies, Turkey and Pakistan over the elimination of terrorist organisations such as al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, Isis and the Taliban."

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/con ... 87791.html

kalm wrote:

Cluck U wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/opini ... pe=article

"The C.I.A. helped Jordan establish its intelligence service — the General Intelligence Directorate, or G.I.D. — during the reign of King Hussein, who died in 1999. Although the agency is respected in Washington as a professional and competent force, two of its recent leaders have gone to prison for embezzlement, money laundering and bank fraud. This latest case suggests there is corruption throughout the organization.

Instead of delivering the weapons to the American-backed rebels, the Jordanian officers involved in the recent swindle sold Kalashnikov rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades to several large arms bazaars that have long stocked the arsenals of criminal gangs, tribes and other groups. Then the officers bought themselves S.U.V.s, iPhones and other luxuries. Although word of the theft reached the Jordanian government last year, the operation was not shut down until a few months ago, after American and Saudi complaints.

G.I.D. investigators arrested several dozen officers involved in the scheme, and the officers were fired. But they were eventually freed and permitted to keep their pensions and profits from the theft."


Hillary wanted the Syrian war...and the Libyan war.

Yup...that is the kind of experience we need in the Oval Office.

Oh, and we have promised Jordan $3 BILLION dollars in economic and miliatray aid, partly to help with the refugee problem Obomba and Hillary helped create.

Wonder what we could do with $3 billion dollars to help our own people?

Funny, the writer manages to blame the CIA for their lack of oversight...and tries to imply Obomba didn't want to arm the rebels. Yup, imagine the New York Times trying to find a way to not blame Obomba or Hillary.

Obomba knew what would happen, and made the decision to interfere anyway. He sure likes to use that pen, doesn't he?

Change!!!

We can believe in...

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Cluck U wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/opini ... pe=article

"The C.I.A. helped Jordan establish its intelligence service — the General Intelligence Directorate, or G.I.D. — during the reign of King Hussein, who died in 1999. Although the agency is respected in Washington as a professional and competent force, two of its recent leaders have gone to prison for embezzlement, money laundering and bank fraud. This latest case suggests there is corruption throughout the organization.

Instead of delivering the weapons to the American-backed rebels, the Jordanian officers involved in the recent swindle sold Kalashnikov rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades to several large arms bazaars that have long stocked the arsenals of criminal gangs, tribes and other groups. Then the officers bought themselves S.U.V.s, iPhones and other luxuries. Although word of the theft reached the Jordanian government last year, the operation was not shut down until a few months ago, after American and Saudi complaints.

G.I.D. investigators arrested several dozen officers involved in the scheme, and the officers were fired. But they were eventually freed and permitted to keep their pensions and profits from the theft."


Hillary wanted the Syrian war...and the Libyan war.

Yup...that is the kind of experience we need in the Oval Office.

Oh, and we have promised Jordan $3 BILLION dollars in economic and miliatray aid, partly to help with the refugee problem Obomba and Hillary helped create.

Wonder what we could do with $3 billion dollars to help our own people?

Funny, the writer manages to blame the CIA for their lack of oversight...and tries to imply Obomba didn't want to arm the rebels. Yup, imagine the New York Times trying to find a way to not blame Obomba or Hillary.

Obomba knew what would happen, and made the decision to interfere anyway. He sure likes to use that pen, doesn't he?

About half of what we could do for them if we didn't have to carry Israel too.


Goddamned shame that my tax dollars are being used to support Israel's National Healthcare system while medical costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US.