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From the people at Politifact:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... es-blacks/

It's a little old (2014) but I suspect still accurate. More Whites are killed by virtue of being shot by police than Blacks. Blacks are disproportionately killed that way; but Blacks are disproportionately involved in crime. Another factor: It may be more socioeconomic status than race. Lower socioeconomic status people tend to be disproportionately involved in crime, Blacks are disproportionately of lower socioeconomic status, etc.

I'd have to check on the socioeconomic status vs. race thing before being really confident in it because I've seen other instances in which people try to use socioeconomic status to "explain" racial differences and it doesn't really entirely do it. But overall I think Politifact did a fair assessment (except that I wouldn't say "half true" because the evaluated statement appears to be objectively true).

Now a question: Regardless of proportionality, if something close to twice as many Whites are killed by police shooting than Blacks, why is it that we never see national stories involving videos where Whites have been shot dead by police? Is there perhaps a bias such that instances of police shooting Blacks get more attention?

I don't know John. I'm going to see the R-squared, p-values, t-values, and SSE in this correlation in order to concur with your analysis.

JohnStOnge wrote:From the people at Politifact:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... es-blacks/

It's a little old (2014) but I suspect still accurate. More Whites are killed by virtue of being shot by police than Blacks. Blacks are disproportionately killed that way; but Blacks are disproportionately involved in crime. Another factor: It may be more socioeconomic status than race. Lower socioeconomic status people tend to be disproportionately involved in crime, Blacks are disproportionately of lower socioeconomic status, etc.

I'd have to check on the socioeconomic status vs. race thing before being really confident in it because I've seen other instances in which people try to use socioeconomic status to "explain" racial differences and it doesn't really entirely do it. But overall I think Politifact did a fair assessment (except that I wouldn't say "half true" because the evaluated statement appears to be objectively true).

Now a question: Regardless of proportionality, if something close to twice as many Whites are killed by police shooting than Blacks, why is it that we never see national stories involving videos where Whites have been shot dead by police? Is there perhaps a bias such that instances of police shooting Blacks get more attention?

There is already a preexisting stigma that has been in place in this country for the duration of its history between police and blacks, beginning with every black being viewed as a potential runaway slave, even in the north. So when shootings do happen it's viewed as a continuation of that same mentality in the black community as a whole.

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I, as an Irish person, feel that any relations the USofA has with Britain is a continuation of the extermination policies of the Royal family.

I also find that any restaurant that doesn't serve potatoes is tactically complicit in the attempt to starve my people.

Furthermore, if potatoes are not served with a placard describing the horrific events of the Potato Famine, especially during Potato History Month, then everyone should boycott that business.

If you don't, you are a bigot.

Get on board people...Irish Lives Matter.

Cluck U wrote:I, as an Irish person, feel that any relations the USofA has with Britain is a continuation of the extermination policies of the Royal family.

I also find that any restaurant that doesn't serve potatoes is tactically complicit in the attempt to starve my people.

Furthermore, if potatoes are not served with a placard describing the horrific events of the Potato Famine, especially during Potato History Month, then everyone should boycott that business.

If you don't, you are a bigot.

Get on board people...Irish Lives Matter.

Irish food sucks.

CAA Flagship wrote:

Cluck U wrote:I, as an Irish person, feel that any relations the USofA has with Britain is a continuation of the extermination policies of the Royal family.

I also find that any restaurant that doesn't serve potatoes is tactically complicit in the attempt to starve my people.

Furthermore, if potatoes are not served with a placard describing the horrific events of the Potato Famine, especially during Potato History Month, then everyone should boycott that business.

If you don't, you are a bigot.

Get on board people...Irish Lives Matter.

Irish food sucks.

Irish stew, shepherd's pie, and corned beef > Chef Boyardee.

CAA Flagship wrote:

Cluck U wrote:I, as an Irish person, feel that any relations the USofA has with Britain is a continuation of the extermination policies of the Royal family.

I also find that any restaurant that doesn't serve potatoes is tactically complicit in the attempt to starve my people.

Furthermore, if potatoes are not served with a placard describing the horrific events of the Potato Famine, especially during Potato History Month, then everyone should boycott that business.

If you don't, you are a bigot.

Get on board people...Irish Lives Matter.

Irish food sucks.

Hater's gonna' hate.

kalm wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: Irish food sucks.

Irish stew, shepherd's pie, and corned beef > Chef Boyardee.

Yeah, not horrible, but



It's not even close to Guinea Grub, French Fuck Food, or even Asian Slop.

kalm wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: Irish food sucks.

Irish stew, shepherd's pie, and corned beef > Chef Boyardee.

Woo-hoo! That means Irish food is better than Wop food!

Cluck U wrote:

kalm wrote:
Irish stew, shepherd's pie, and corned beef > Chef Boyardee.

Woo-hoo! That means Irish food is better than Wop food!

Wait, are you claiming McDonald's as Irish food. I may have to reassess.

Cluck U wrote:I, as an Irish person, feel that any relations the USofA has with Britain is a continuation of the extermination policies of the Royal family.

I also find that any restaurant that doesn't serve potatoes is tactically complicit in the attempt to starve my people.

Furthermore, if potatoes are not served with a placard describing the horrific events of the Potato Famine, especially during Potato History Month, then everyone should boycott that business.

If you don't, you are a bigot.

Get on board people...Irish Lives Matter.

I'm with ya cluck.

#IrishLivesMatter

The Irish win with women though. Man cannot live on food alone.

CAA Flagship wrote:The Irish win with women though. Man cannot live on food alone.

Irish I could have my way with her.

CAA Flagship wrote:

Cluck U wrote:I, as an Irish person, feel that any relations the USofA has with Britain is a continuation of the extermination policies of the Royal family.

I also find that any restaurant that doesn't serve potatoes is tactically complicit in the attempt to starve my people.

Furthermore, if potatoes are not served with a placard describing the horrific events of the Potato Famine, especially during Potato History Month, then everyone should boycott that business.

If you don't, you are a bigot.

Get on board people...Irish Lives Matter.

Irish food sucks.

But Irish beer rocks. You seem to have no problems with the Irish every year when March 17th rolls around..

bluehenbillk wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: Irish food sucks.

But Irish beer rocks. You seem to have no problems with the Irish every year when March 17th rolls around..

Yes. This is true.
The country is fine. The women are fine. The beer is fine. The golf courses are fine.
The weather and the food, not so fine.

Cluck U wrote:I, as an Irish person, feel that any relations the USofA has with Britain is a continuation of the extermination policies of the Royal family.

I also find that any restaurant that doesn't serve potatoes is tactically complicit in the attempt to starve my people.

Furthermore, if potatoes are not served with a placard describing the horrific events of the Potato Famine, especially during Potato History Month, then everyone should boycott that business.

If you don't, you are a bigot.

Get on board people...Irish Lives Matter.

You're such a dumb mick. It was no famine. It was the Great Hunger!!


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My first ancestor in this country landed in charleston from Ireland in1760. One of these days I am going to do the Dna test . I fully expect the 0% Irish t shirt to be a lot closer to the truth than 100% Irish

OL FU wrote:My first ancestor in this country landed in charleston from Ireland in1760. One of these days I am going to do the Dna test . I fully expect the 0% Irish t shirt to be a lot closer to the truth than 100% Irish

I'm waiting for my Ancestry.com DNA results right now! Probably 25% English, 25% Scottish, 25% German, and 25% Douchebag!

Ivytalk wrote:

OL FU wrote:My first ancestor in this country landed in charleston from Ireland in1760. One of these days I am going to do the Dna test . I fully expect the 0% Irish t shirt to be a lot closer to the truth than 100% Irish

I'm waiting for my Ancestry.com DNA results right now! Probably 25% English, 25% Scottish, 25% German, and 25% Douchebag!

Almost guaranteed Probably underestimated the douchebag percentage though
Let me know what you think after you get the results. I am really interested in doing this.

DNA, especially yDNA, is interesting for those of us whites who trace heritage at least partially through England. Primarily because England, after the Roman era, was largely populated by two successive groups of Scandinavians- the Saxons and then the Normans. In terms of the haplogroups (going back about 30,000 years), it is difficult to look at your DNA and tell exactly how your patrilineal bloodline came to the British Isles, because the Saxons and Normans came from similar haplogroups (Saxons being essentially Danes, and Normans being essentially Viking Norwegians).

yDNA traces you through your patrilineal line. In other words, yDNA will follow your surname back through time. Mine is Saxon. None of my Scottish ancestry is reflected in the yDNA test.

mtDNA is passed from daughter to daughter and works in a similar fashion, but with mtDNA you can show mixtures (I believe) whereas with yDNA it traces to a specific haplogroup.


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My Dad was adopted. On this board I use his blood name, St. Onge. My legal name is that of his adopted parents. It's interesting though, that both names ultimately go back to France. St. Onge is of French origin. My legal name is "English." But there's a twist. It's English in that it was a name associated with the Normans who conquered England and established themselves there.

Ancestry DNA test was not that helpful in narrowing things down. Shows my single greatest component of Ancestry is "Western European." Could be French or could be other things.

Oh...and I do have a substantial component...30%...Ireland. Go figure.

CID1990 wrote:DNA, especially yDNA, is interesting for those of us whites who trace heritage at least partially through England. Primarily because England, after the Roman era, was largely populated by two successive groups of Scandinavians- the Saxons and then the Normans. In terms of the haplogroups (going back about 30,000 years), it is difficult to look at your DNA and tell exactly how your patrilineal bloodline came to the British Isles, because the Saxons and Normans came from similar haplogroups (Saxons being essentially Danes, and Normans being essentially Viking Norwegians).

yDNA traces you through your patrilineal line. In other words, yDNA will follow your surname back through time. Mine is Saxon. None of my Scottish ancestry is reflected in the yDNA test.

mtDNA is passed from daughter to daughter and works in a similar fashion, but with mtDNA you can show mixtures (I believe) whereas with yDNA it traces to a specific haplogroup.


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So are you telling me not to waste my money?

JohnStOnge wrote:My Dad was adopted. On this board I use his blood name, St. Onge. My legal name is that of his adopted parents. It's interesting though, that both names ultimately go back to France. St. Onge is of French origin. My legal name is "English." But there's a twist. It's English in that it was a name associated with the Normans who conquered England and established themselves there.

Ancestry DNA test was not that helpful in narrowing things down. Shows my single greatest component of Ancestry is "Western European." Could be French or could be other things.

Oh...and I do have a substantial component...30%...Ireland. Go figure.

I am guessing . While the Vikings made it to Ireland I don't think they were as pervasive as other parts of England . Maybe Irish is a little more distinct and easier to identify ?