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89Hen wrote:Good oped here...

http://ariarmstrong.com/2016/06/should- ... president/
Arguably, this year Johnson is bigger than the Libertarian Party such that he largely escapes its problems. I think a liberty advocate can reasonably argue, “I’m voting for Johnson because of his record and policy positions, not because he’s a Libertarian, and voting for him this year as a protest will send a strong message to the Republican Party that it needs to shape up—or be replaced by a viable liberty party.”

But I think voting for Clinton, voting for another minor-party or independent candidate, or not voting in the presidential race would send a similar message.

The key is for people who cast a protest vote, whatever its form, to clearly and publicly articulate why they are casting a protest vote. It is the public articulation, not the vote itself, that is most important in terms of influencing the future direction of American politics.
How does any of those three choices make it any different than the previous election cycles?

I get it, a hell of a lot of "small l" Libertarians would rather bitch and moan about the state of the country while keeping their hands clean with "well, it's not MY fault that things are this way." :coffee:

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93henfan wrote:Just remember that a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Hillary. Any vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Make your cute moral stands some other election. Just keep **** Hillary Crooked Lying Clinton out of our lives.
Only if you live in Florida, Ohio or another battleground state is that remotely true. I live in Illinois and Illinois' electoral college votes are going to Hilary regardless of how I vote. If you live in a state that is dark blue or dark red, your vote will not swing the election and if you don't like Trump or Hilary then vote for Johnson or Stein to send the party establishments a message and to help the 3rd parties get over 10%. Stop drinking the party kool aid and buying their line that not voting for their candidate is a vote for the other candidate. For the vast majority of Americans that isn't true and they're just feeding you bull sh!t while trying to keep the 3rd parties from gaining traction and building a base.
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93henfan wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
At best, it's half a vote for Hildabeast. If you want to beat her, donate to Trump ad get his "campaign" off its sorry azz. My conscience is clear: Gary J is Da Man.
So you support Hillary.

When she's perverting SCOTUS for decades you can pat yourself on the back.
I have no illusions that my one vote for Gary Johnson in a dark blue state is going to tip the election to Hildabeast. So you just go ahead and vote for the huckster, the charlatan, the Mouth of Gawd, and get out the vote for him. Send him a few bucks while you're at it.
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Ivytalk wrote:
93henfan wrote:
So you support Hillary.

When she's perverting SCOTUS for decades you can pat yourself on the back.
I have no illusions that my one vote for Gary Johnson in a dark blue state is going to tip the election to Hildabeast. So you just go ahead and vote for the huckster, the charlatan, the Mouth of Gawd, and get out the vote for him. Send him a few bucks while you're at it.
And don't forget to pat yourself on the back.
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93henfan wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: I have no illusions that my one vote for Gary Johnson in a dark blue state is going to tip the election to Hildabeast. So you just go ahead and vote for the huckster, the charlatan, the Mouth of Gawd, and get out the vote for him. Send him a few bucks while you're at it.
And don't forget to pat yourself on the back.
Just did. Consciences will allow that.
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Ivytalk wrote:So you just go ahead and vote for the huckster, the charlatan, the Mouth of Gawd, and get out the vote for him. Send him a few bucks while you're at it.
Did you come up with that or did your girlfriend write it for you? It sounds suspiciously like her ramblings of late. Or maybe it's JSO's girlfriend. I forget which one of you is tagging Ginsburg and which one is tagging Hillary.

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93henfan wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:So you just go ahead and vote for the huckster, the charlatan, the Mouth of Gawd, and get out the vote for him. Send him a few bucks while you're at it.
Did you come up with that or did your girlfriend write it for you? It sounds suspiciously like her ramblings of late. Or maybe it's JSO's girlfriend. I forget which one of you is tagging Ginsburg and which one is tagging Hillary.

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Ivytalk wrote:
93henfan wrote:
So you support Hillary.

When she's perverting SCOTUS for decades you can pat yourself on the back.
I have no illusions that my one vote for Gary Johnson in a dark blue state is going to tip the election to Hildabeast. So you just go ahead and vote for the huckster, the charlatan, the Mouth of Gawd, and get out the vote for him. Send him a few bucks while you're at it.
Bully for you. You are such a brave voter.
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89Hen wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: I have no illusions that my one vote for Gary Johnson in a dark blue state is going to tip the election to Hildabeast. So you just go ahead and vote for the huckster, the charlatan, the Mouth of Gawd, and get out the vote for him. Send him a few bucks while you're at it.
Bully for you. You are such a brave voter.
Good one, Bard of the Blank Ballot. :coffee:
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89Hen wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: I have no illusions that my one vote for Gary Johnson in a dark blue state is going to tip the election to Hildabeast. So you just go ahead and vote for the huckster, the charlatan, the Mouth of Gawd, and get out the vote for him. Send him a few bucks while you're at it.
Bully for you. You are such a brave voter.
SC will be a very bright red state in November. If I still lived in NC, I'd reluctantly vote Trump because it would actually make a difference. I'm likely voting Johnson in SC.
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Ivytalk wrote:
89Hen wrote: Bully for you. You are such a brave voter.
Good one, Bard of the Blank Ballot. :coffee:
Big difference. I know my vote is worthless. You are under the incredible delusion that your vote is somehow meaningful or better. :coffee:
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89Hen wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Good one, Bard of the Blank Ballot. :coffee:
Big difference. I know my vote is worthless. You are under the incredible delusion that your vote is somehow meaningful or better. :coffee:
And you're a hopeless cynic. Carry on.
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89Hen wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Good one, Bard of the Blank Ballot. :coffee:
Big difference. I know my vote is worthless. You are under the incredible delusion that your vote is somehow meaningful or better. :coffee:
If your vote is "meaningless", as you say, then why NOT vote for Johnson, if for no other reason than to send a stronger message to the powers that be that America is pissed? And we're not going to take it anymore?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
89Hen wrote: Big difference. I know my vote is worthless. You are under the incredible delusion that your vote is somehow meaningful or better. :coffee:
If your vote is "meaningless", as you say, then why NOT vote for Johnson, if for no other reason than to send a stronger message to the powers that be that America is pissed? And we're not going to take it anymore?
Because I don't think it's a stronger message. Where have you been?
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Ivytalk wrote:
89Hen wrote: Big difference. I know my vote is worthless. You are under the incredible delusion that your vote is somehow meaningful or better. :coffee:
And you're a hopeless cynic.
If by that you mean a disenfranchised voter... yes.
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89Hen wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
If your vote is "meaningless", as you say, then why NOT vote for Johnson, if for no other reason than to send a stronger message to the powers that be that America is pissed? And we're not going to take it anymore?
Because I don't think it's a stronger message. Where have you been?
Right here.

If everyone who said they'd vote for Johnson, but it'd just be a wasted vote ACTUALLY voted for Johnson he might actually be elected president.
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AZGrizFan wrote:That the country HE has presided over for 8 years is disintegrating before his eyes.

And that his divisive words and actions have accelerated that disintegration.
He's always meant to destroy America. It was obvious even before he ran for president.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
89Hen wrote: Because I don't think it's a stronger message. Where have you been?
Right here.

If everyone who said they'd vote for Johnson, but it'd just be a wasted vote ACTUALLY voted for Johnson he might actually be elected president.
Yeah. :coffee:

BTW, I'm not sure you have been here.... I don't like Johnson. He's not my #1 on "I side with".
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89Hen wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Right here.

If everyone who said they'd vote for Johnson, but it'd just be a wasted vote ACTUALLY voted for Johnson he might actually be elected president.
Yeah. :coffee:

BTW, I'm not sure you have been here.... I don't like Johnson. He's not my #1 on "I side with".
I get that. But you can't VOTE for your "#1 I side with"....so why not vote for Johnson to send a message?
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AZGrizFan wrote:so why not vote for Johnson to send a message?
:wall: :wall: :wall:
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89Hen wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:so why not vote for Johnson to send a message?
:wall: :wall: :wall:
Voting for Johnson would require 89 to come down off of his high horse and join the unwashed masses and that is completely unacceptable. ;)
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UNI88 wrote:
89Hen wrote: :wall: :wall: :wall:
Voting for Johnson would require 89 to come down off of his high horse and join the unwashed masses and that is completely unacceptable. ;)
:+1:

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AZGrizFan wrote:That the country HE has presided over for 8 years is disintegrating before his eyes.

And that his divisive words and actions have accelerated that disintegration.
Yeah, we need Sarah Palin to fix it. :dunce:
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D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:That the country HE has presided over for 8 years is disintegrating before his eyes.

And that his divisive words and actions have accelerated that disintegration.
Yeah, we need Sarah Palin to fix it. :dunce:
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