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Where are they? If this was Bush his colonoscopy would have to be rescheduled because doctors couldnt get within 3 miles of his ass due to all the media cun*s crawling up there looking for the Coup De gras

Nothing to see here.....just another Democrat stealing money from Americans, just like bankers.

I am done and the US govenrment will never get another dollar from me while I am alive.

http://readconservatives.news/2016/08/0 ... on-ransom/

#ollieirony

you act like this is a new thing

the media running interference fir democrats


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This is one of the things that, historically, frustrated me about Republicans/conservatives when I was pulling for them. It's called "over reaching."

It was Iran's money. We didn't "give" them any money. As North mentioned during the discussion, they had paid us for something and because of subsequent events we never delivered what they paid for. It was just a refund. You know, like if you pay someone for a refrigerator then they call later and say, "sorry, we can't provide it." Then they refund your money.

If I had to bet I'd bet the Iranians used the hostages as leverage to get us to refund their money. But that's not ransom. We didn't give them anything that they didn't legitimately have coming to them.

Yes, I know they're bad. But if somebody pays you for something and you don't deliver what they paid for the right thing to do is refund their money. It's frankly kind of a stain on the United States that it took this long.

CID1990 wrote:you act like this is a new thing

the media running interference fir democrats


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Not at all I just refuse to lay down like they want..........I worked in the MSM for awhile and thats why I quit and started my own thing. They are at every level dishonest and social engineer their news to promote their agenda.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

CID1990 wrote:you act like this is a new thing

the media running interference fir democrats


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Not at all I just refuse to lay down like they want..........I worked in the MSM for awhile and thats why I quit and started my own thing. They are at every level dishonest and social engineer their news to promote their agenda.

Good grief Alpha they are not distorting things on Trump. Trump is an abomination. You shouldn't need the mainstream media to tell you it would be insane to put Trump into that position.

Hey FUCKFACE this is about OBAMA drop the Trump BS focus on the subject at hand, or post it in one of your 3700 other bash Trump threads

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Hey **** this is about OBAMA drop the Trump BS focus on the subject at hand, or post it in one of your 3700 other bash Trump threads

Ok. Then just read the post about over reaching. There are plenty of things one can talk about in legitimately criticizing Obama. This is not one of them.

All the great ones make deals with Iran.

kalm wrote:All the great ones make deals with Iran.

Fuckin A.

The desperation from the RIGHT is palpable...
If guys like CID (international diplomacy experts) are getting worked up about paying back debt
Like debt is some kind of left wing media conspiracy

we've officially crossed over



The good news is when Trump is president America will just declare bankruptcy
and then Trump will negotiate a deal - thank goodness

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Hey **** this is about OBAMA drop the Trump BS focus on the subject at hand, or post it in one of your 3700 other bash Trump threads

Conks have majorities in Congress, governors, and federal judges, and they have half the SCOTUS. But everything is Obama's fault.

Conks.

JohnStOnge wrote:This is one of the things that, historically, frustrated me about Republicans/conservatives when I was pulling for them. It's called "over reaching."

It was Iran's money. We didn't "give" them any money. As North mentioned during the discussion, they had paid us for something and because of subsequent events we never delivered what they paid for. It was just a refund. You know, like if you pay someone for a refrigerator then they call later and say, "sorry, we can't provide it." Then they refund your money.

If I had to bet I'd bet the Iranians used the hostages as leverage to get us to refund their money. But that's not ransom. We didn't give them anything that they didn't legitimately have coming to them.

Yes, I know they're bad. But if somebody pays you for something and you don't deliver what they paid for the right thing to do is refund their money. It's frankly kind of a stain on the United States that it took this long.

Here's the problem. If it was no big deal to give Iran THEIR money, then why not announce it the time of the transfer? Why did Obama not make this public? Is that transparency? Fuck the Dems.

Obama’s Cash Payment to Iran Was More Than a Ransom — It Broke Criminal Law


The president hoped to camouflage what he knew to be against the law. Did it ever occur to President Obama to ask why he couldn’t just cut a check to the Iranian regime?

Outrage broke out this week over the revelation that Obama arranged to ship the mullahs piles of cash, worth $400 million and converted into foreign denominations, reportedly in an unmarked cargo plane. The hotly debated question was whether the payment, which the administration attributes to a 37-year-old arms deal, was actually a ransom paid for the release of American hostages Tehran had abducted.

It is a waste of time to debate that point further. The Iranians have bragged that the astonishing cash payment was a ransom — and Obama has been telling us for months that we can trust the Iranians. The hostages were released the same day the cash arrived. One of the hostages has reported that the captives were detained an extra several hours at the airport and told they would not be allowed to leave until the arrival of another plane — inferentially, the unmarked cargo plane ferrying the cash. The reason American policy has always prohibited paying ransoms to terrorists and other abductors is that it only encourages them to take more hostages. And, as night follows day, Iran has abducted more Americans since Obama paid the cash. No matter how energetically the president tries to lawyer the ransom issue, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck . . .

More worth examining is why the transaction took the bizarre form that it did. To cut to the chase, I believe it was to camouflage — unsuccessfully — the commission of felony law violations.

The Wall Street Journal has reported that the Justice Department strongly objected to the cash payment to Iran. As we shall see, that should come as no surprise. What is surprising is the Journal’s explanation of Justice’s concerns: Department officials, it is said, fretted that the transaction looked like a ransom payment. I don’t buy that. It is not a federal crime to pay a ransom; just to receive one. Our government’s stated disapproval of paying ransoms is a prudent policy, not a legal requirement. The Justice Department’s principal job is to enforce the laws, not to ensure good policy in foreign relations. It seems far more likely that Justice was worried that the transaction was illegal.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... -cash-iran

Chizzang wrote:The desperation from the RIGHT is palpable...
If guys like CID (international diplomacy experts) are getting worked up about paying back debt
Like debt is some kind of left wing media conspiracy

we've officially crossed over



The good news is when Trump is president America will just declare bankruptcy
and then Trump will negotiate a deal - thank goodness

But in all cash? In the 21st century? With a federal government that handles hundreds of billions of dollars annually?

Why not an electronic transfer? Too much of a paper trail?

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DSUrocks07 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:The desperation from the RIGHT is palpable...
If guys like CID (international diplomacy experts) are getting worked up about paying back debt
Like debt is some kind of left wing media conspiracy

we've officially crossed over



The good news is when Trump is president America will just declare bankruptcy
and then Trump will negotiate a deal - thank goodness

But in all cash? In the 21st century? With a federal government that handles hundreds of billions of dollars annually?

Why not an electronic transfer? Too much of a paper trail?

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An electronic transfer would have been illegal. Nevermind the fact that sending a cargo plane loaded with cash was just as illegal.

Baldy wrote:

DSUrocks07 wrote: But in all cash? In the 21st century? With a federal government that handles hundreds of billions of dollars annually?

Why not an electronic transfer? Too much of a paper trail?

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An electronic transfer would have been illegal. Nevermind the fact that sending a cargo plane loaded with cash was just as illegal.

I like the fact that the federal government had $400 million just sitting on a tarmac somewhere.

Ocean's Fourteen anyone?

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DSUrocks07 wrote:

Baldy wrote: An electronic transfer would have been illegal. Nevermind the fact that sending a cargo plane loaded with cash was just as illegal.

I like the fact that the federal government had $400 million just sitting on a tarmac somewhere.

Ocean's Fourteen anyone?

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I would guess that after Libya and Iraq we've got absolute MOUNTAINS of raw cash

Doesn't fit the narrative...therefore it's a non-story.

Business as usual for MSM....

CID1990 wrote:you act like this is a new thing

the media running interference fir democrats


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Democrats? I'd say your boy Comey got the kid gloves treatment from the media too.

houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:you act like this is a new thing

the media running interference fir democrats


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Democrats? I'd say your boy Comey got the kid gloves treatment from the media too.

He made a decision that benefitted Democrats so I'm not sure if you even have a point

Cash? We couldn't have wired the money to them? Or given them 2 Bitcoins?

So JSO is defending Obama now? Oy Vey!

Chizzang wrote:The desperation from the RIGHT is palpable...
If guys like CID (international diplomacy experts) are getting worked up about paying back debt
Like debt is some kind of left wing media conspiracy

we've officially crossed over



The good news is when Trump is president America will just declare bankruptcy
and then Trump will negotiate a deal - thank goodness

when was I worked up?


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CID1990 wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Democrats? I'd say your boy Comey got the kid gloves treatment from the media too.

He made a decision that benefitted Democrats so I'm not sure if you even have a point

But it must have been the right one because Comey is a straight shooter who does't play politics and lets the chips fall where they may....at least now that he is no longer on the board of the giant bank with ties to the Clinton Foundation...

houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
He made a decision that benefitted Democrats so I'm not sure if you even have a point

But it must have been the right one because Comey is a straight shooter who does't play politics and lets the chips fall where they may....at least now that he is no longer on the board of the giant bank with ties to the Clinton Foundation...

It depends on perspective- I disagree with the decision Comey made, but I am pretty sure I know why he made it. And it is consistent with what I have said about him before.

I stand by what I have said about Comey- you may think you have me in some kind of an AZ - Palin thing, but that really only resonates in your own head and nowhere else.