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89Hen wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I think it was always designed to be a failure, it was just the necessary bridge that advocates felt had to be taken before moving to a single payer system like the NHS in the UK. I would firmly expect that would be the push going forward with the next administration.

kalm wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I think it was always designed to be a failure, it was just the necessary bridge that advocates felt had to be taken before moving to a single payer system like the NHS in the UK. I would firmly expect that would be the push going forward with the next administration.

So spend all that money, take in all those campaign contributions, and involve big health insurance and pharma on writing the legislation to knowingly progress to single payer in the end?

Ibanez wrote:

kalm wrote:
So spend all that money, take in all those campaign contributions, and involve big health insurance and pharma on writing the legislation to knowingly progress to single payer in the end?

It's progress.

kalm wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I think it was always designed to be a failure, it was just the necessary bridge that advocates felt had to be taken before moving to a single payer system like the NHS in the UK. I would firmly expect that would be the push going forward with the next administration.

So spend all that money, take in all those campaign contributions, and involve big health insurance and pharma on writing the legislation to knowingly progress to single payer in the end?

CID1990 wrote:What we need is another Cash for Clunkers.

CID1990 wrote:What we need is another Cash for Clunkers.

Ibanez wrote:

CID1990 wrote:What we need is another Cash for Clunkers.

I believe that was the name of the first Hillary Clinton for President fundraiser.

HI54UNI wrote:

Ibanez wrote: I believe that was the name of the first Hillary Clinton for President fundraiser.

No, that was Cash for Cankles.

GannonFan wrote:I think it was always designed to be a failure, it was just the necessary bridge that advocates felt had to be taken before moving to a single payer system like the NHS in the UK. I would firmly expect that would be the push going forward with the next administration.

ASUG8 wrote:Money for Mooseknuckle.

Pwns wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I think it was always designed to be a failure, it was just the necessary bridge that advocates felt had to be taken before moving to a single payer system like the NHS in the UK. I would firmly expect that would be the push going forward with the next administration.

Not sure if I would go that far, but I do think the objective was to get people with pre-existing conditions on insurance policies while making everyone pay more for insurance in the process, and to lie to people that everyone could be insured without everyone's premiums going up.

GannonFan wrote:

Pwns wrote:
Not sure if I would go that far, but I do think the objective was to get people with pre-existing conditions on insurance policies while making everyone pay more for insurance in the process, and to lie to people that everyone could be insured without everyone's premiums going up.

Sure they lied, but no one should've ever thought that adding people to the insurance rolls that would be uber expensive would ever have resulted in lower premiums for everyone.

GannonFan wrote:(btw, I was and still am perfectly good with the idea of making sure there's a way to get people with pre-existing conditions covered by insurance so that they can get medical services, that was absolutely necessary. I just don't think we have the best plan yet on how to effectively do that).

Pwns wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... sing-money

Who could've predicted this?

UnitedHealth expects to lose $850 million on Obamacare in 2016, while Aetna, Anthem, and Humana are all on track to lose at least $300 million each on their ACA plans this year, according to company reports and estimates from Bloomberg Intelligence. UnitedHealth says it’s quitting 31 of the 34 states where it sells ACA policies. Humana is exiting 8 of 19 states and reducing its presence to just 156 counties, from 1,351 a year ago. Anthem hasn’t announced plans to change its participation in the program.
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n Aug. 15, Aetna said it will stop selling Obamacare plans in 11 of the 15 states where it had participated in the program, reversing its plan to expand into five new state exchanges in 2017. “The exchanges are a mess as they exist today,” says Aetna Chief Executive Officer Mark Bertolini. “They’re losing a lot of money for a lot of people.”