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Hey, I thought we were getting out of Affy?

Killed on patrol.

'"We are deeply saddened by this loss, but remain committed to helping our Afghan partners provide a brighter future for themselves and their children," said General John W Nicholson, commander of US and NATO forces in the country."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37168165

We remain committed to helping our Afghan partners provide a brighter future for themselves and their children?




This is from December...but it still holds true:

"But Obama assures us that America’s “commitment to Afghanistan and its people endures” and Afghan forces are “fighting for their country bravely and tenaciously” and “continue to hold most [sic] urban areas”. Taliban successes were “predictable”, the US president says, but almost 10,000 troops will remain in Afghanistan – even though the war is over – and 14 months ago, David Cameron told our own chaps that their achievements in Afghanistan “will live for ever”. Not any more.

As our very own ex-chief of the general staff, General Dannatt, said last week, he was “not surprised” by the fall of Sangin. Not at all. After all, “we always knew that the situation once we left Sangin would be difficult. We left Afghanistan in a situation where the Afghans were in control and the future was in their hands. It is not a great surprise that the Taliban have continued to push in southern Afghanistan, it’s their heartland.”'

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/you ... 87546.html



Where is the news coverage of our foreign policy under Obama?

Casualties only mattered under a Republican President, right donks?

Whatever happened to Cindy Sheehan anyway? Did she keep protesting or did the MSM just stop covering her when Obama took office?

93henfan wrote:Casualties only mattered under a Republican President, right donks?

Whatever happened to Cindy Sheehan anyway? Did she keep protesting or did the MSM just stop covering her when Obama took office?

They wouldn't let her onto Martha's Vineyard...or Hawaii...or Spain...and you can sure as shit believe she wasn't camping out in Chicago!

Yeah because both of those guys had anything to do with what happened last week..................

To Obama's everlasting shame
Afghanistan will always be his boondoggle



And honest Liberals unanimously agree and guys like Bill Mahar talk about Obama's Afghanistan all the time

Wedgebuster wrote:

Been out of power since 2008, yet we are still there

[spoiler]Although I will state that its pretty funny that the right is getting upset about this, when the plan was to remain there for "100 years", and Obama was heavily criticized for removing troops from Iraq and the "draw down" from Affy.[/spoiler]

How much longer will the military continue to allow themselves to be used as pawns in the political realm? The establishment right just want them to continue spill their blood to reaffirm their own religious/moral superiority over the rest of the world, and the left belittles them constantly and cares little for their personal safety, you know with them being "baby killers" and all.

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DSUrocks07 wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:

Been out of power since 2008, yet we are still there

[spoiler]Although I will state that its pretty funny that the right is getting upset about this, when the plan was to remain there for "100 years", and Obama was heavily criticized for removing troops from Iraq and the "draw down" from Affy.[/spoiler]

How much longer will the military continue to allow themselves to be used as pawns in the political realm? The establishment right just want them to continue spill their blood to reaffirm their own religious/moral superiority over the rest of the world, and the left belittles them constantly and cares little for their personal safety, you know with them being "baby killers" and all.

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Been out-of-touch for several decades I see...

Chizzang wrote:To Obama's everlasting shame
Afghanistan will always be his boondoggle



And honest Liberals unanimously agree and guys like Bill Mahar talk about Obama's Afghanistan all the time

Yep. Its all his now. Though I doubt any other President would walk away from those kind of natural resources either.

DSUrocks07 wrote:
How much longer will the military continue to allow themselves to be used as pawns in the political realm?

DSU...the military will continue to allow themselves to be used as pawns because they ARE pawns.

C'mon, most of the people in the military are morans (as are most peeps in life...except the military folks have guns). The grunts are there because most of them have nowhere else to go.

Somehow, they are dumb enough to believe they are doing something righteous...they believe they are brave and protecting 'Merica from the world's evil dangers.

But what does our military really do? Do we come in an rescue other people, let alone our own people, from evil?

Think about it...when is the last war we fought where we were clearly the good guys and there was a solid outcome?

How'd Vietnam work out (along with Cambodia and Laos)? Iraq? Iraq II? Afghanistan? Somolia?

One could argue about Iraq 1.0...except that we didn't have clean hands on that one since we helped Saddam gas folks. Oooops! How'd Libya work out? Syria? How are we doing in those African countries these days (not much reporting on that, is there?)?

Oh, wait...we had Grenada.

If you sign up for the military, you have the honor of being sent off to be killed for some clown's ego. The guy in Afghanistan died for no other reason than Obama's stupidity and arrogance...and of course, his own stupidity played a large part.

He willingly signed up for his own death because he was stupid enough to believe he was helping protect our country from backwater...actually, backdirt...goat herders.

Hey, if Russia mobilizes their army and crosses the Bering Straight, then let's kick some Ruskie butt. WOLVERINES!!!!

But, Russia isn't going to do that, are they?

Nope.

How about China?

Nope.

Those bad boys in the Middle East?

Uh...Obama's letting them in already.

Hell (or Heck, for GannonFan), our military doesn't even protect our borders. How about that for irony?

No, DSU, our military isn't going to suddenly get smart and defy our President's orders, no matter how stupid those decisions. Baghdad Bob had a better chance of independent thinking than our boys in uniform. The Turkish military had more balls than our guys (and now they are invading Syria).

All the while...the majority of the Left ignores Obama's warmongering, and continue's to ignore Hillary's cozy and very profitable relationships with the uber right wing, minority hating, gay killing, wimmen suppressing goons from around the world.

Chizzang wrote:To Obama's everlasting shame
Afghanistan will always be his boondoggle



And honest Liberals unanimously agree and guys like Bill Mahar talk about Obama's Afghanistan all the time

...well accept for that last part. I've seen plenty of liberal meme's make the Facebook rounds that claim that Obama has "ended 2 wars". It's usually in some "Obama is the greatest president ever" type of post.

houndawg wrote:

Chizzang wrote:To Obama's everlasting shame
Afghanistan will always be his boondoggle



And honest Liberals unanimously agree and guys like Bill Mahar talk about Obama's Afghanistan all the time

Yep. Its all his now. Though I doubt any other President would walk away from those kind of natural resources either.

We had two choices
1) Double down and keep China out of the Rare Earth deposits
2) save face and back away - but lose future mining rights

Look
China has all the Iraqi oil now - we done f*cked up
we had to double down in Afghanistan



And YES
as Cluck has pointed out - Military - IS THE PAWN of Industry
and we still "sell it" as Human Rights endeavors

Bush didn't have a plan in Afghanistan and Obama doesn't either. Hopefully the next President just says in his best Eric Cartman: "Screw you guys, I'm going home".

Cluck U wrote:C'mon, most of the people in the military are morans. The grunts are there because most of them have nowhere else to go.

Somehow, they are dumb enough to believe they are doing something righteous...they believe they are brave and protecting 'Merica from the world's evil dangers.

Go fuck yourself. You obviously know nothing about peoples' reasons for serving their country. Your comments are insulting, frankly.

93henfan wrote:

Cluck U wrote:C'mon, most of the people in the military are morans. The grunts are there because most of them have nowhere else to go.

Somehow, they are dumb enough to believe they are doing something righteous...they believe they are brave and protecting 'Merica from the world's evil dangers.

Go fuck yourself. You obviously know nothing about peoples' reasons for serving their country. Your comments are insulting, frankly.

So, you know something about other people's reasons for joining the military...but I don't?



If so, do tell. If not, then how would you know if I am wrong?

Face it...if you go into the military willingly you are risking your life to do some pretty silly shit for a very narrow group of wealthy people who really don't give a shlt about you or your family.

That is fvcked up...and it is stupid.

Plenty of reasons to go into the military these days...learn a trade, college education, revenge your _____'s death, family has always been in the military...blah, blah, blah. Very few of those are smart choices. Hey, we'll teach you a trade, but we might get you killed by some angry shithole in in some shlthole country because we wanted to project 'Merican power to make gobs of money that you can only imagine for people who chuckle at your willingness to sacrifice yourself for some false ideal.

SIGN ME UP!!!

It's like playing Russian Roulette...just with a few more than six chambers. You're still risking your life for someone else's gain.

So, as I said...joining the military might work out for some (very few get killed)...but it is a silly, and stupid, gamble for those who have other options.

Cluck U wrote:

93henfan wrote:
Go fuck yourself. You obviously know nothing about peoples' reasons for serving their country. Your comments are insulting, frankly.

So, you know something about other people's reasons for joining the military...but I don't?

Yes, maybe because I actually served with them on active duty and have continued working with DoD for the better part of 20 years.

But go on spewing hot air if it makes you feel better. I'm glad I never had to serve with someone with such a shallow mindset.

93henfan wrote:

Cluck U wrote:
So, you know something about other people's reasons for joining the military...but I don't?

Yes, maybe because I actually served with them on active duty and have continued working with DoD for the better part of 20 years.

But go on spewing hot air if it makes you feel better. I'm glad I never had to serve with someone with such a shallow mindset.

Ah...and what were their reasons again for joining?

Are they happy to see their brothers die for nothing in shItholes around the world (or do they believe in the causes provided by our leaders)?

Do tell.

I'd rather not continue the discussion with someone who would mock them. A cheesy internet message board is not the place to have the discussion anyway.

Lost a lot of respect for you today. I'll leave it at that.

I'll never say a word to disrespect the military, particularly the enlisted men. In an all -volunteer force, with no compulsion to serve, it's a major life undertaking. If the political leaders make stupid decisions that put the armed forces in harm's way unnecessarily, those leaders should be derided and shitcanned. But leave the troops out of it.

Speaking of national service, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to require two years of some kind of service for everybody. The usual loons may go nuts, but so be it.

Ivytalk wrote:I'll never say a word to disrespect the military, particularly the enlisted men. In an all -volunteer force, with no compulsion to serve, it's a major life undertaking. If the political leaders make stupid decisions that put the armed forces in harm's way unnecessarily, those leaders should be derided and shitcanned. But leave the troops out of it.

Speaking of national service, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to require two years of some kind of service for everybody. The usual loons may go nuts, but so be it.

I agree, its not a bad idea at all. One of the biggest problems that this country has is that a larger and ever growing segment of the population contributes little to nothing towards the nation as a whole. We continue to be subdivided into arbitrary categories as if they are important or something, we're all human beings, and at the end of the day we're all American citizens. Maybe we can start acting like it for a change.

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93henfan wrote:

Cluck U wrote:
So, you know something about other people's reasons for joining the military...but I don't?

Yes, maybe because I actually served with them on active duty and have continued working with DoD for the better part of 20 years.

But go on spewing hot air if it makes you feel better. I'm glad I never had to serve with someone with such a shallow mindset.

General Smedley Butler anyone?

Cuck has a point, '93. Regardless of your personal motives the fact is that you are being deployed to serve corporate interests. (And your DoD gig is where the real welfare queens live).

houndawg wrote:

93henfan wrote:
Yes, maybe because I actually served with them on active duty and have continued working with DoD for the better part of 20 years.

But go on spewing hot air if it makes you feel better. I'm glad I never had to serve with someone with such a shallow mindset.

General Smedley Butler anyone?

Cuck has a point, '93. Regardless of your personal motives the fact is that you are being deployed to serve corporate interests. (And your DoD gig is where the real welfare queens live).

I take no issue with the statement that politicians use the military inappropriately sometimes. But to insult the fighting man is about as low as you can go. It's disgusting.

Chizzang wrote: We had two choices
1) Double down and keep China out of the Rare Earth deposits
2) save face and back away - but lose future mining rights

Look
China has all the Iraqi oil now - we done f*cked up
we had to double down in Afghanistan

Well at least it's not white people taking the rare Earth minerals and oil. Then it would be kkkolonialism and imperialism. So that's one positive that came out of it.

93henfan wrote:

houndawg wrote:
General Smedley Butler anyone?

Cuck has a point, '93. Regardless of your personal motives the fact is that you are being deployed to serve corporate interests. (And your DoD gig is where the real welfare queens live).

I take no issue with the statement that politicians use the military inappropriately sometimes. But to insult the fighting man is about as low as you can go. It's disgusting.

We all have our reasons for serving. I served and have 2 kids that served and it was a good thing for all of us. Each of us had a different reason for joining and it wasn't any of what Cluck and Hound are talking about. I personally don't give a shit what anyone else has to say about my service and could care less if anyone ever thanks me for it. I got what I needed out of it and served my time honorably. I have no issue with someone having an opinion on what a politician does and they deserve criticism for bad decisions. The troops are doing their job and do a damn good job of it 99.99999% of the time. I don't care if hippies want to go back to the 70's and blame the troops, it just shows their ignorance.

I really do have issues with people that don't give a shit at all. Have an opinion and then be willing to defend your position. Apathy is our biggest opinion IMHO. Have a good reason to be against something and be informed and we can discuss it civilly all day. Be a retard, and I am like 93, no point in even having a conversation about it.

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:

93henfan wrote:
I take no issue with the statement that politicians use the military inappropriately sometimes. But to insult the fighting man is about as low as you can go. It's disgusting.

We all have our reasons for serving. I served and have 2 kids that served and it was a good thing for all of us. Each of us had a different reason for joining and it wasn't any of what Cluck and Hound are talking about. I personally don't give a shit what anyone else has to say about my service and could care less if anyone ever thanks me for it. I got what I needed out of it and served my time honorably. I have no issue with someone having an opinion on what a politician does and they deserve criticism for bad decisions. The troops are doing their job and do a damn good job of it 99.99999% of the time. I don't care if hippies want to go back to the 70's and blame the troops, it just shows their ignorance.

I really do have issues with people that don't give a shit at all. Have an opinion and then be willing to defend your position. Apathy is our biggest opinion IMHO. Have a good reason to be against something and be informed and we can discuss it civilly all day. Be a retard, and I am like 93, no point in even having a conversation about it.

Who blames the troops anymore?

Most people go in with good intentions, although that doesn't dismiss the silly risk they are taking. Of course, there always seem to be some army whack jobs that like to kill/torture for the hell of it, but we see that in our police departments, politicians, firemen who like to set blazes, and some excessively stern second grade teachers.

What I am saying that it is a stupid game to play to risk your life for someone else's gold. Hate me for the truth...but if someone has a better way of reaching their goals, then they should choose that route - it most likely won't involve killing civilians and being shot at by psychos who don't want you there.

Our troops, like the troops before them, including the Germans, just follow orders.

Of course, some of those orders, and missions, are stupid, and we are killing people that normally would not give a rat's azz about "Merica...except that we bombed their village and killed their sons and daughters. Soldiers should be able to see, and understand, that before they sign up. Some do, some don't. The ones that don't see the stupidity of us being in Affy, Iraq, Syria, etc....well, that's effed up.

Speaking of which, why in God's name would someone go to Syria....seriously...that is fvcked up. We have been helping the Kurds, and are embedded with them...and now we help the Turks, who are going to kill the exact same Kurds our boys were helping?

"Hey, see those tanks? Their our allies...and they are here to kill you. Sorry about that...now you're toast. See ya'!"

Can anyone explain that? Beuller?

And in Affy, and Iraq (and a whole host of other places), we helped fund and arm, and in some cases, train, the same bastages that are killing our soldiers. We just had a soldier killed in Affy...for what?

Can anyone explain that?

So yeah, I think it is stupid to go into today's military. You're signing up...and your ass can be killed supporting Hillary, Obama, Bush, and fill-in-the-blank wealthy person, leaving your wife and child without you. That is simply a fvcked up decision.

We've always had foreign policy issues, but with today's media available to today's yutes, there is simply no excuse to not understand what you are being asked to do. Sure, people sign up...and most will not get killed. But what a dumb way to gamble with your life.

Oh, it seems as though some of you need a safe space when someone talks about the grunts in the military. The thing is, if MORE people actually spoke out about the misuse of our military, instead of complaining about the truth being told, then maybe fewer people would die needlessly and we could get around to helping our own people in our own country.