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To keep up with an ever-changing world, does anyone see room for improvement of this oath?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

One thing that is unclear to me is that a person can have dual-citizenship. How does that first part fit with dual citizenship?

CAA Flagship wrote:To keep up with an ever-changing world, does anyone see room for improvement of this oath?

Yes, we should remove the last clause.

The closing ceremony for the swearing in should also have them eat:

that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;

This should be put into the Pledge of Allegiance

CAA Flagship wrote:
One thing that is unclear to me is that a person can have dual-citizenship. How does that first part fit with dual citizenship?

Cid can probably correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have to be a natural born citizen to hold dual citizenship. I.e., if you were born here to an American dad and a German mother.

Grizalltheway wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:
One thing that is unclear to me is that a person can have dual-citizenship. How does that first part fit with dual citizenship?

Cid can probably correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have to be a natural born citizen to hold dual citizenship. I.e., if you were born here to an American dad and a German mother.

No American guy would marry a German broad.

CAA Flagship wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:
Cid can probably correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have to be a natural born citizen to hold dual citizenship. I.e., if you were born here to an American dad and a German mother.

No American guy would marry a German broad.

Yeah, who likes blonde hair, blue eyes and big tits?

Grizalltheway wrote:
Yeah, who likes blonde hair, blue eyes and big tits?

The guy does have a pretty big hardon for Trump.... so.......

Grizalltheway wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: No American guy would marry a German broad.

Yeah, who likes blonde hair, blue eyes and big tits?

Where?

CAA Flagship wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:
Yeah, who likes blonde hair, blue eyes and big tits?

Where?

Hier

Grizalltheway wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:
One thing that is unclear to me is that a person can have dual-citizenship. How does that first part fit with dual citizenship?

Cid can probably correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have to be a natural born citizen to hold dual citizenship. I.e., if you were born here to an American dad and a German mother.

Not true. 2nd bullet down:
https://www.uscitizenship.info/articles ... index.html

I know this because my long term, green card holding German gf (born in Germany to 2 German parents) has talked about getting dual...

Grizalltheway wrote: Hier

Well, Heil Hitler!!!!!!

Grizalltheway wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:
One thing that is unclear to me is that a person can have dual-citizenship. How does that first part fit with dual citizenship?

Cid can probably correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have to be a natural born citizen to hold dual citizenship. I.e., if you were born here to an American dad and a German mother.

Actually, it depends on the country. Some countries do not allow renunciation to become a citizen of the US. For example, Vietnamese and Nigerian born nationals remain Vietnamese and Nigerian citizens whether they like it or not, and sometimes they get treated poorly as a result. For example, as a natural born American, I would be hard pressed to get locked up in Nigeria. The Nigerian police don't want the headache. But Nigerian duals get locked up all the time because they know the drill- pay the bribe and youre on your way in a couple hours. Play the "I want my phone call to the Embassy" American and they will cross all the t's and dot all the i's and you'll be in jail until your trial (which you'll lose).

Citizenship law is interesting and frustrating at the same time. Consular officers will always tell you that if Americans knew half the shit and fraud people get away with enroute to becoming citizens or their conduct as duals, there'd be torches and pitchforks.

For example- birth tourism. There is a large and growing segment of Nigerian society that is choosing to have children in the US for the citizenship benefits. These kids grow up as Nigerians and never really become "American". Our own immigration laws do not prohibit or even discourage this- the intent to give birth in the US is not disqualifying for a visa... you only need to overcome section 214(b) of the INA to receive a tourist visa. I know families with 3-4 children, all born in the US, living in Nigeria with their two Nigerian parents. China is another country with a lot of birth tourism.


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CAA Flagship wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:
Cid can probably correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have to be a natural born citizen to hold dual citizenship. I.e., if you were born here to an American dad and a German mother.

No American guy would marry a German broad.

My uncle did. Blonde hair, blue eyes and big tits.

DSUrocks07 wrote:

that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;

This should be put into the Pledge of Allegiance

It's in the military oath.

AZGrizFan wrote:

DSUrocks07 wrote:
This should be put into the Pledge of Allegiance

It's in the military oath.

Right?

And I wonder which of the last umpteen presidents who have taken this oath have lived up to it?

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"Repeat after me. I, state your name..."

"I, state your name..."

Ivytalk wrote:"Repeat after me. I, state your name..."

"I, state your name..."

IT'S HEADLY!!


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