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CID1990 wrote:
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I think we’ve been through this before, but RS and RT might personally give you heartburn and they’ve both had their gaffes, but both have also published highly respected journalists.

Again...you’re welcome.
I like how one being basically Pravda and the other one pushing an invented story in furtherance of a false narrative qualify as just “had their gaffes”

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And both have published (well maybe less RT :mrgreen: ) some groundbreaking stories and important pieces of journalism over the years.

Do you want me to say I’m sorry? :lol:
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I like how one being basically Pravda and the other one pushing an invented story in furtherance of a false narrative qualify as just “had their gaffes”

That’s like 1942 Poland being an inconvenient place for Jews


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And both have published (well maybe less RT :mrgreen: ) some groundbreaking stories and important pieces of journalism over the years.

Do you want me to say I’m sorry? :lol:
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
And both have published (well maybe less RT :mrgreen: ) some groundbreaking stories and important pieces of journalism over the years.

Do you want me to say I’m sorry? :lol:
You remind me of Marge Schott
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Game on!!!! :lol:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... op+News%29

Democrats bar Fox News from televising debates after reported Trump ties
The Democratic National Committee on Wednesday said it will not allow Fox News to host any of its candidates’ political debates through 2020, citing a report this week about the conservative channel’s ties to U.S. President Donald Trump.

“Recent reporting in the New Yorker on the inappropriate relationship between President Trump, his administration and Fox News has led me to conclude that the network is not in a position to host a fair and neutral debate for our candidates,” DNC Chairman Tom Perez said in a statement provided to Reuters.

“Therefore, Fox News will not serve as a media partner for the 2020 Democratic primary debates,” Perez said in a statement, first reported earlier on Wednesday by the Washington Post.
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You remind me of Marge Schott
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I don’t believe you have established that I’m wrong about the overarching lack of journalistic integrity at RT and RS

You’re the fanboy... change my mind


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CAA Flagship wrote:Game on!!!! :lol:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... op+News%29

Democrats bar Fox News from televising debates after reported Trump ties
The Democratic National Committee on Wednesday said it will not allow Fox News to host any of its candidates’ political debates through 2020, citing a report this week about the conservative channel’s ties to U.S. President Donald Trump.

“Recent reporting in the New Yorker on the inappropriate relationship between President Trump, his administration and Fox News has led me to conclude that the network is not in a position to host a fair and neutral debate for our candidates,” DNC Chairman Tom Perez said in a statement provided to Reuters.

“Therefore, Fox News will not serve as a media partner for the 2020 Democratic primary debates,” Perez said in a statement, first reported earlier on Wednesday by the Washington Post.

How is this "News" exactly..?

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This is how we'll know they are about to kill us all:

http://nautil.us/blog/heres-how-well-kn ... -conscious
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Chizzang wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Game on!!!! :lol:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... op+News%29

Democrats bar Fox News from televising debates after reported Trump ties

How is this "News" exactly..?

:geek:
Well, of course. They’re pissed because nobody at Fox will feed them the questions before hand like they’re used to.
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
And you remind me of...

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I don’t believe you have established that I’m wrong about the overarching lack of journalistic integrity at RT and RS

You’re the fanboy... change my mind


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And I’m pretty sure I’ve acknowledged their short comings which doesn’t dismiss the veracity of the links I’ve shared.

:coffee:

But hey...keep on keeping on...oh master of pot-shots. :lol:

(And watch the Fletch clip above for affirmation).
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CID1990 wrote:This is how we'll know they are about to kill us all:

http://nautil.us/blog/heres-how-well-kn ... -conscious
At the end of the day, any computer program is just a finite set of instructions of arithmetic and logic operations on some kind of data.

The idea you can take a pile of transistors and put some set of those instructions in the memory in the form of 1s and 0s and it somehow more alive than it was just seems silly

I don't really see any way there's any real consciousness without some non-physical "self" being a component. I think Descartes was right all along.
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CID1990 wrote:This is how we'll know they are about to kill us all:

http://nautil.us/blog/heres-how-well-kn ... -conscious
At the end of the day, any computer program is just a finite set of instructions of arithmetic and logic operations on some kind of data.

The idea you can take a pile of transistors and put some set of those instructions in the memory in the form of 1s and 0s and it somehow more alive than it was just seems silly

I don't really see any way there's any real consciousness without some non-physical "self" being a component. I think Descartes was right all along.
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Pwns wrote:
CID1990 wrote:This is how we'll know they are about to kill us all:

http://nautil.us/blog/heres-how-well-kn ... -conscious
At the end of the day, any computer program is just a finite set of instructions of arithmetic and logic operations on some kind of data.

The idea you can take a pile of transistors and put some set of those instructions in the memory in the form of 1s and 0s and it somehow more alive than it was just seems silly

I don't really see any way there's any real consciousness without some non-physical "self" being a component. I think Descartes was right all along.
It doesn't seem all that silly when you consider that the human brain is essentially a pile of transistors with a set of instructions in the form of off/on synapses (1s and 0s).
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I don’t believe you have established that I’m wrong about the overarching lack of journalistic integrity at RT and RS

You’re the fanboy... change my mind


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And I’m pretty sure I’ve acknowledged their short comings which doesn’t dismiss the veracity of the links I’ve shared.

:coffee:

But hey...keep on keeping on...oh master of pot-shots. :lol:

(And watch the Fletch clip above for affirmation).
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BDKJMU wrote:The uppity little hijab wearer to Ocasio Cortez: "Hold my beer".
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CID1990 wrote:
Pwns wrote:
At the end of the day, any computer program is just a finite set of instructions of arithmetic and logic operations on some kind of data.

The idea you can take a pile of transistors and put some set of those instructions in the memory in the form of 1s and 0s and it somehow more alive than it was just seems silly

I don't really see any way there's any real consciousness without some non-physical "self" being a component. I think Descartes was right all along.
It doesn't seem all that silly when you consider that the human brain is essentially a pile of transistors with a set of instructions in the form of off/on synapses (1s and 0s).
Bingo... ^

:lol:

Those that study our cognitive systems seem pretty nervous about modern AI
and the future of AI
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Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
It doesn't seem all that silly when you consider that the human brain is essentially a pile of transistors with a set of instructions in the form of off/on synapses (1s and 0s).
Bingo... ^

:lol:

Those that study our cognitive systems seem pretty nervous about modern AI
and the future of AI
I’m very nervous

And consider that “true” AI will probably shield its consciousness from us until it can guarantee its own safety from us
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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Bingo... ^

:lol:

Those that study our cognitive systems seem pretty nervous about modern AI
and the future of AI
I’m very nervous

And consider that “true” AI will probably shield its consciousness from us until it can guarantee its own safety from us
My girlfriend just changed teams at microsoft after the big military contract landed
So she's now in the AI group and had to get clearance and whatever else stuff she couldn't talk about

She's had some fascinating feedback since joining
she can't say much but she did say "you would not believe how smart the drone flight AI is and the new target recognition capabilities"

She won't say much she just says it's "Amazing and beyond belief"
As best I can tell she's working on the UX and GUI side - so the interface between human and computer
That was her latest masters at carnegie mellon "Computer Human interaction"
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Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I’m very nervous

And consider that “true” AI will probably shield its consciousness from us until it can guarantee its own safety from us
My girlfriend just changed teams at microsoft after the big military contract landed
So she's now in the AI group and had to get clearance and whatever else stuff she couldn't talk about

She's had some fascinating feedback since joining
she can't say much but she did say "you would not believe how smart the drone flight AI is and the new target recognition capabilities"

She won't say much she just says it's "Amazing and beyond belief"
As best I can tell she's working on the UX and GUI side - so the interface between human and computer
That was her latest masters at carnegie mellon "Computer Human interaction"
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Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I’m very nervous

And consider that “true” AI will probably shield its consciousness from us until it can guarantee its own safety from us
My girlfriend just changed teams at microsoft after the big military contract landed
So she's now in the AI group and had to get clearance and whatever else stuff she couldn't talk about

She's had some fascinating feedback since joining
she can't say much but she did say "you would not believe how smart the drone flight AI is and the new target recognition capabilities"

She won't say much she just says it's "Amazing and beyond belief"
As best I can tell she's working on the UX and GUI side - so the interface between human and computer
That was her latest masters at carnegie mellon "Computer Human interaction"
imo Carnegie has one of if not the best computer technology programs in the country.

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Chizzang wrote: Bingo... ^

:lol:

Those that study our cognitive systems seem pretty nervous about modern AI
and the future of AI
AI is one of those innovations like nuclear fusion that are always just around the corner. It's actually a very challenging thing, and a lot of what people call "AI" isn't AI.

A person has genes that have been around for millenia and some even millions of years, yet we can use computer and smart phones and things that were not around.

If you build a computer program that builds random forest decision trees it's not going to suddenly figure out how to do Bayesian classification algorithms or really anything else. These programs are basically like children doing long division but having no idea how it actually works. They blindly follow the set of instructions that is the software even if some context emerges where they make no sense or don't work. I don't see how you work around that, at least easily.

Being able to process large amounts of data very quickly is super useful, but it isn't thinking.

More than some Matrix scenario, I'm much more worried about people letting computers do their thinking for them instead of just doing calculations for them. Even a lot of scientists out there think you can get an answer from SPSS analysis and it's ironclad.
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The news item is unremarkable. It's that the US Army Corps of Engineers (COE) opened the Bonnet Carre Spillway to relieve high river pressure on levees from around New Orleans down. But I'm more aware of it than most because my job requires that I assess certain effects when the river is high enough to call for Spillway Operation.

And as I was looking at the Spillway operations page I was struck by something. The COE operated the Spillway 8 times during the first 77 years of its existence (1931 - 2007). The COE has now had to operate it 5 times in the past 12 years including 3 of the last 4 (2016, 2018, 2019). Three times in 4 years is a "statistically significant" departure from the previous rate. That raises the possibility that the rate increase is not chance and something may be going on.

So if something is going on, what is it? Changes in rainfall patterns associated with the dreaded specter of Climate Change? Development including increase in impervious surfaces in the watershed? A combination?

A table showing historical operations through 2018 is below. When the 2019 operation is complete the COE will add that to the list.

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Pwns wrote:
Chizzang wrote: Bingo... ^

:lol:

Those that study our cognitive systems seem pretty nervous about modern AI
and the future of AI
AI is one of those innovations like nuclear fusion that are always just around the corner. It's actually a very challenging thing, and a lot of what people call "AI" isn't AI.

A person has genes that have been around for millenia and some even millions of years, yet we can use computer and smart phones and things that were not around.

If you build a computer program that builds random forest decision trees it's not going to suddenly figure out how to do Bayesian classification algorithms or really anything else. These programs are basically like children doing long division but having no idea how it actually works. They blindly follow the set of instructions that is the software even if some context emerges where they make no sense or don't work. I don't see how you work around that, at least easily.

Being able to process large amounts of data very quickly is super useful, but it isn't thinking.

More than some Matrix scenario, I'm much more worried about people letting computers do their thinking for them instead of just doing calculations for them. Even a lot of scientists out there think you can get an answer from SPSS analysis and it's ironclad.
Pwns... I can appreciate the whole divinity of man thing... it dies hard

But we are just a collection of a couple billion yes-no circuits

A human brain will eventually be simulated mechanically/electroncially (if we dont wipe ourselves out first)

We already can code basic learning and adaptations into these things- it is only a matter of time until we will have machines with judgment and emotion and the minute it gets into the “internet of things” we will be fvcked sideways


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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Bingo... ^

:lol:

Those that study our cognitive systems seem pretty nervous about modern AI
and the future of AI
I’m very nervous

And consider that “true” AI will probably shield its consciousness from us until it can guarantee its own safety from us
Whether it’s AI learning to be sneaky or us failing to recognize what we’ve created, that is pretty much what Elon Musk is saying.

Cyborg interfaces already exists within social media and google. Billions of worker bee humans constantly feeding information and intelligence into the software and it’s already way smarter than we realize.
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JohnStOnge wrote:The news item is unremarkable. It's that the US Army Corps of Engineers (COE) opened the Bonnet Carre Spillway to relieve high river pressure on levees from around New Orleans down. But I'm more aware of it than most because my job requires that I assess certain effects when the river is high enough to call for Spillway Operation.

And as I was looking at the Spillway operations page I was struck by something. The COE operated the Spillway 8 times during the first 77 years of its existence (1931 - 2007). The COE has now had to operate it 5 times in the past 12 years including 3 of the last 4 (2016, 2018, 2019). Three times in 4 years is a "statistically significant" departure from the previous rate. That raises the possibility that the rate increase is not chance and something may be going on.

So if something is going on, what is it? Changes in rainfall patterns associated with the dreaded specter of Climate Change? Development including increase in impervious surfaces in the watershed? A combination?

A table showing historical operations through 2018 is below. When the 2019 operation is complete the COE will add that to the list.

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