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HI54UNI wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:28 am
What happens to the underperforming schools when more people choice out?
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kalm wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:33 am
HI54UNI wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:28 am
What happens to the underperforming schools when more people choice out?
I've always believed that school choice (and vouchers) should only be used in emergencies and in areas where there is significant downgrading of public schools (think inner city here). Once you start seeing school choice out in the suburbs where the public schools are not only fine but in may cases pretty good, it's more of a case of wealthy folks (or at least well off folks) trying to get somebody else to pay their kid's private school tuition. I get the case of the poor kid (of any race) being stuck in a terrible situation in a city school where he/she isn't getting an education (and to answer kalmie's question with a question, why should a poor kid have to sacrifice his/her education to try to salvage an underperforming school?), but people expanding vouchers to every instance most of the time have very vested private interests in mind.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:58 am
kalm wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:33 am

What happens to the underperforming schools when more people choice out?
I've always believed that school choice (and vouchers) should only be used in emergencies and in areas where there is significant downgrading of public schools (think inner city here). Once you start seeing school choice out in the suburbs where the public schools are not only fine but in may cases pretty good, it's more of a case of wealthy folks (or at least well off folks) trying to get somebody else to pay their kid's private school tuition. I get the case of the poor kid (of any race) being stuck in a terrible situation in a city school where he/she isn't getting an education (and to answer kalmie's question with a question, why should a poor kid have to sacrifice his/her education to try to salvage an underperforming school?), but people expanding vouchers to every instance most of the time have very vested private interests in mind.
In answer to your question: “The world needs ditch diggers too”

It seems vouchers and choice concepts are still simply deferring greater socio-economic problems. It’s tough to fix poor parenting and single parent with multiple jobs homes by shipping the ones with parents who care about their children’s education off to the suburbs.
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kalm wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:26 am
Most Americans don’t know or care who Joe Manchin is. They want stability and expect higher wages, standard of living, and security.

Corporatism won’t allow them to be more “liberal.”
Is it still true if you replace Joe Manchin's name with the name of just about any Congress Critter? I would argue that Manchin is approaching AOChe level notoriety as far as people knowing about him.

Is Carville wrong? Does the Democratic party have the votes to be more liberal than Manchin? If yes, please tell us how they can do it.
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kalm wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:06 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:58 am

I've always believed that school choice (and vouchers) should only be used in emergencies and in areas where there is significant downgrading of public schools (think inner city here). Once you start seeing school choice out in the suburbs where the public schools are not only fine but in may cases pretty good, it's more of a case of wealthy folks (or at least well off folks) trying to get somebody else to pay their kid's private school tuition. I get the case of the poor kid (of any race) being stuck in a terrible situation in a city school where he/she isn't getting an education (and to answer kalmie's question with a question, why should a poor kid have to sacrifice his/her education to try to salvage an underperforming school?), but people expanding vouchers to every instance most of the time have very vested private interests in mind.
In answer to your question: “The world needs ditch diggers too”

It seems vouchers and choice concepts are still simply deferring greater socio-economic problems. It’s tough to fix poor parenting and single parent with multiple jobs homes by shipping the ones with parents who care about their children’s education off to the suburbs.
I don't understand the ditch digger trope here.

As for vouchers and school choice, especially for inner-city kids struggling to get out of a system that is dooming their futures, sure, we're not fixing the problem by shipping them out to better schools, but again, why are you satisfied with denying these kids opportunity and the chance to escape their situations, none of which is their fault, while we spend decades (and it's been close to 50 years since LBJ's Great Society and we're no closer to fixing this) talking about it and not fixing the problems. These kids have very immediate needs - 12 years of schooling goes by in the blink of an eye. You're talking about generational issues. Each year that goes by without a solution is another year a whole age group of kids graduate who were sacrificed while we struggle to get answers to things like poor parenting, or single parent households (the horror if we criticize that of course - it's like the debate about being fat - everyone knows that being overweight is unhealthy, but say that out loud or too many times and you're fat-shaming and all fat people are beautiful. Same with single parenting - study after study shows that the single best indicator of educational success and graduating from college in 4 years is to come from a household of two parents - it's true over any and all other categories - but to criticize single parenting is also a third rail - everyone's choices in life are equally awesome).

The Dems are hypocrites for denying school choice to inner city places where public schools have failed and the GOP are hypocrites for advocating school choice but really just meaning that for those private school folks who are looking for another source of income to offset what they have to pay to send their kids to private school.
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kalm wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:06 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:58 am

I've always believed that school choice (and vouchers) should only be used in emergencies and in areas where there is significant downgrading of public schools (think inner city here). Once you start seeing school choice out in the suburbs where the public schools are not only fine but in may cases pretty good, it's more of a case of wealthy folks (or at least well off folks) trying to get somebody else to pay their kid's private school tuition. I get the case of the poor kid (of any race) being stuck in a terrible situation in a city school where he/she isn't getting an education (and to answer kalmie's question with a question, why should a poor kid have to sacrifice his/her education to try to salvage an underperforming school?), but people expanding vouchers to every instance most of the time have very vested private interests in mind.
In answer to your question: “The world needs ditch diggers too”

It seems vouchers and choice concepts are still simply deferring greater socio-economic problems. It’s tough to fix poor parenting and single parent with multiple jobs homes by shipping the ones with parents who care about their children’s education off to the suburbs.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:20 am
kalm wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:26 am

Most Americans don’t know or care who Joe Manchin is. They want stability and expect higher wages, standard of living, and security.

Corporatism won’t allow them to be more “liberal.”
Is it still true if you replace Joe Manchin's name with the name of just about any Congress Critter? I would argue that Manchin is approaching AOChe level notoriety as far as people knowing about him.

Is Carville wrong? Does the Democratic party have the votes to be more liberal than Manchin? If yes, please tell us how they can do it.
Yes, yes, no, no.

Carville is strategically right. I just find the “middle” rather meaningless.

On a side note, I just found out “woke corporatism” is a thing now. :lol:
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kalm wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:41 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:20 am

Is it still true if you replace Joe Manchin's name with the name of just about any Congress Critter? I would argue that Manchin is approaching AOChe level notoriety as far as people knowing about him.

Is Carville wrong? Does the Democratic party have the votes to be more liberal than Manchin? If yes, please tell us how they can do it.
Yes, yes, no, no.

Carville is strategically right. I just find the “middle” rather meaningless.

On a side note, I just found out “woke corporatism” is a thing now. :lol:
Carville is strategically right as in correct or as in to the right of where you want the country to be?

:tap: Ivy told me that I'm in the mushy middle. Are you making fun of me? :grizo1:

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Census Bureau's decennial survey released.

Gaining a seat:
-Texas (2) (came close to adding a 3rd seat).
-North Carolina
-Florida (came close to adding a 2nd seat).
-Oregon
-Montana (now will have 2 congressional seats).
-Colorado

Losing a seat:
-New York (barely by 89 people).
-California (1st time ever lost a seat, still the most at 52).
-West Virginia

Perennial rust belt losers:
-Ohio (barely) (6th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 24 seats 1960, to 15 seats now).
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... nsus-shows
-Illinois (5th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 24 seats 1970, to 17 seats now).
https://www.theillinoize.com/articles/I ... ional-seat
-Pennsylvania (11th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 36 seats 1910, to 17 seats now).
https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2021/04/ ... 388580002/
-Michigan (5th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 19 seats 1980, to 13 seats now).
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/ar ... ation-lags
...The new figures represent some of the weakest population growth in American history. The U.S. population grew to 331.5 million residents as of April 1, 2020, a 7.4 percent increase over the population in 2010 — a slower growth rate than in any decade except the 1930s.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... ouse-seats
But the close to 23 million added is the 6th highest growth decade in terms of raw #s in US history.
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys ... ecade.html
https://www.thoughtco.com/us-population ... ry-1435268
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Biden is really on his game.

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BDKJMU wrote:Census Bureau's decennial survey released.

Gaining a seat:
-Texas (2) (came close to adding a 3rd seat).
-North Carolina
-Florida (came close to adding a 2nd seat).
-Oregon
-Montana (now will have 2 congressional seats).
-Colorado

Losing a seat:
-New York (barely by 89 people).
-California (1st time ever lost a seat, still the most at 52).
-West Virginia

Perennial rust belt losers:
-Ohio (barely) (6th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 24 seats 1960, to 15 seats now).
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... nsus-shows
-Illinois (5th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 24 seats 1970, to 17 seats now).
https://www.theillinoize.com/articles/I ... ional-seat
-Pennsylvania (11th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 36 seats 1910, to 17 seats now).
https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2021/04/ ... 388580002/
-Michigan (5th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 19 seats 1980, to 13 seats now).
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/ar ... ation-lags
...The new figures represent some of the weakest population growth in American history. The U.S. population grew to 331.5 million residents as of April 1, 2020, a 7.4 percent increase over the population in 2010 — a slower growth rate than in any decade except the 1930s.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... ouse-seats
But the close to 23 million added is the 6th highest growth decade in terms of raw #s in US history.
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys ... ecade.html
https://www.thoughtco.com/us-population ... ry-1435268
All those seats lost by Ohio should be automatically given to the SC district that contains Charleston because that’s where those motherfuckas are


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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:18 pm Census Bureau's decennial survey released.

Gaining a seat:
-Texas (2) (came close to adding a 3rd seat).
-North Carolina
-Florida (came close to adding a 2nd seat).
-Oregon
-Montana (now will have 2 congressional seats).
-Colorado

Losing a seat:
-New York (barely by 89 people).
-California (1st time ever lost a seat, still the most at 52).
-West Virginia

Perennial rust belt losers:
-Ohio (barely) (6th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 24 seats 1960, to 15 seats now).
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... nsus-shows
-Illinois (5th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 24 seats 1970, to 17 seats now).
https://www.theillinoize.com/articles/I ... ional-seat
-Pennsylvania (11th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 36 seats 1910, to 17 seats now).
https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2021/04/ ... 388580002/
-Michigan (5th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 19 seats 1980, to 13 seats now).
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/ar ... ation-lags
...The new figures represent some of the weakest population growth in American history. The U.S. population grew to 331.5 million residents as of April 1, 2020, a 7.4 percent increase over the population in 2010 — a slower growth rate than in any decade except the 1930s.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... ouse-seats
But the close to 23 million added is the 6th highest growth decade in terms of raw #s in US history.
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys ... ecade.html
https://www.thoughtco.com/us-population ... ry-1435268
Why are we showing seats lost by:
-Ohio from 1960?
-Illinois from 1970?
-Pennsylvania from 1910?
-Michigan from 1980?

The comparisons would be better with the same baseline.
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CID1990 wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 8:53 am
BDKJMU wrote:Census Bureau's decennial survey released.

Gaining a seat:
-Texas (2) (came close to adding a 3rd seat).
-North Carolina
-Florida (came close to adding a 2nd seat).
-Oregon
-Montana (now will have 2 congressional seats).
-Colorado

Losing a seat:
-New York (barely by 89 people).
-California (1st time ever lost a seat, still the most at 52).
-West Virginia

Perennial rust belt losers:
-Ohio (barely) (6th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 24 seats 1960, to 15 seats now).
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... nsus-shows
-Illinois (5th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 24 seats 1970, to 17 seats now).
https://www.theillinoize.com/articles/I ... ional-seat
-Pennsylvania (11th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 36 seats 1910, to 17 seats now).
https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2021/04/ ... 388580002/
-Michigan (5th straight census lost a seat. Gone from 19 seats 1980, to 13 seats now).
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/ar ... ation-lags


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... ouse-seats
But the close to 23 million added is the 6th highest growth decade in terms of raw #s in US history.
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys ... ecade.html
https://www.thoughtco.com/us-population ... ry-1435268
All those seats lost by Ohio should be automatically given to the SC district that contains Charleston because that’s where those motherfuckas are


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Ibanez wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 10:18 am
CID1990 wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 8:53 am
All those seats lost by Ohio should be automatically given to the SC district that contains Charleston because that’s where those motherfuckas are


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Cascadia transplants in Eastern WA are like your Yankees. Now I hear they’re being replaced by hog fuckers from Iowaillinois. :ohno:
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Lady trying to get out if a ticket by being an a-hole. Such a bad excuse as well.

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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 6:51 pm Lady trying to get out if a ticket by being an a-hole. Such a bad excuse as well.

Sure...but San Dimas High School Football rules!
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When they say the quiet part out loud. :lol:

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kalm wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 10:46 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 10:18 am
Yup. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a yanqui or Ohioan. 95% of any vehicle with "Native" stickers in Charleston are the transplants.
Cascadia transplants in Eastern WA are like your Yanqui's. Now I hear they’re being replaced by hog fuckers from Iowaillinois. :ohno:
Are you jealous of the hogs? :D
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kalm wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 10:46 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 10:18 am

Yup. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a yankee or Ohioan. 95% of any vehicle with "Native" stickers in Charleston are the transplants.
Cascadia transplants in Eastern WA are like your Yankees. Now I hear they’re being replaced by hog fuckers from Iowaillinois. :ohno:
In Iowa we make our hogs into tasty bacon. The hog fuckers are in Illinois. :ohno:
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kalm wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 7:13 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 6:51 pm Lady trying to get out if a ticket by being an a-hole. Such a bad excuse as well.

Sure...but San Dimas High School Football rules!
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GannonFan wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 6:56 am
kalm wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 7:13 pm
Sure...but San Dimas High School Football rules!
The have the best waterslides.
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