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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:15 am
kalm wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:14 am

The dead horse of false equivalency? I agree!
The dead horse of we've already debated this. There were similarities and there were differences. The January 6 riots were worse in some ways and the BLM/AnTiFa riots were worse in others. Arguing that one was definitively worse than the other is dishonest.
So you agree they’re not the same.
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kalm wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:19 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:15 am
The dead horse of we've already debated this. There were similarities and there were differences. The January 6 riots were worse in some ways and the BLM/AnTiFa riots were worse in others. Arguing that one was definitively worse than the other is dishonest.
So you agree they’re not the same and that the BLM/AnTiFa riots were considerably worse.
Maybe you're right.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:08 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:00 am
Don't be obtuse - you know what I was talking about.

To your point - that was still wrong. Why didn't the US Congress and Trump go after them? Feckless punks on both sides, if you ask me.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:18 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:00 am
Don't be obtuse - you know what I was talking about.

To your point - that was still wrong. Why didn't the US Congress and Trump go after them? Feckless punks on both sides, if you ask me.
They did try to go after them, and the left lost their collective shit..
So that's it, the left loses their mind and the Trump Administration forgets about it? Sounds like bad government to me, bub.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:19 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:00 am
Don't be obtuse - you know what I was talking about.

To your point - that was still wrong. Why didn't the US Congress and Trump go after them? Feckless punks on both sides, if you ask me.
I agree with BDK, they are attacking the government. It might be at a local level but it is still the government.

For the most part, the crimes were local crimes and the justice system in Portland/Multnomah County is giving them preferential treatment like the courts used to give whites preferential treatment. It's outraged, faux-progressive privilege.
It's still the gov't, yes. But the point is BDK is making excuses b/c someone else did it. Person X breaking the law isn't a reason for Person A to do so.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:17 am Black man caught on video repeatedly calls Asian cop a “fucking chink” , then when someone says that’s racist, says “Black people can’t be racist”. :suspicious: :dunce:
https://nypost.com/2021/06/07/man-hurls ... cop-video/
:lol: I've heard that excuse. It's so weak.

Saying blacks can't be something is a bit racist itself, isn't it? Kind of, sort of?
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:37 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:19 am
I agree with BDK, they are attacking the government. It might be at a local level but it is still the government.

For the most part, the crimes were local crimes and the justice system in Portland/Multnomah County is giving them preferential treatment like the courts used to give whites preferential treatment. It's outraged, faux-progressive privilege.
It's still the gov't, yes. But the point is BDK is making excuses b/c someone else did it. Person X breaking the law isn't a reason for Person A to do so.
We're on the same page. You have people trying to justify one over the other or argue that one was worse than the other. They were wrong period! They should be tracking down all of the rioters and throwing the book at them.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:54 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:37 am It's still the gov't, yes. But the point is BDK is making excuses b/c someone else did it. Person X breaking the law isn't a reason for Person A to do so.
We're on the same page. You have people trying to justify one over the other or argue that one was worse than the other. They were wrong period! They should be tracking down all of the rioters and throwing the book at them.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:21 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:54 am
We're on the same page. You have people trying to justify one over the other or argue that one was worse than the other. They were wrong period! They should be tracking down all of the rioters and throwing the book at them.
So you would have supported the Union from 1861-1865? :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:23 am
kalm wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:19 am

So you agree they’re not the same and that the BLM/AnTiFa riots were considerably worse.
Maybe you're right.


Which is worse and the motivations and causes seem to be your stumbling block.

Rioting, destruction of property, violence are wrong regardless. No one here is arguing with that.
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kalm wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:30 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:23 am
Maybe you're right.


Which is worse and the motivations and causes seem to be your stumbling block.

Rioting, destruction of property, violence are wrong regardless. No one here is arguing with that.
You should add IMO in front of your first sentence. I'm trying to look at them objectively, without bias and don't see that as a stumbling block. I'm confident that they were both very bad and both were overreactions to real issues.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:21 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:54 am

We're on the same page. You have people trying to justify one over the other or argue that one was worse than the other. They were wrong period! They should be tracking down all of the rioters and throwing the book at them.
So you would have been a loyalist in 1775? :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:36 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:18 am
They did try to go after them, and the left lost their collective shit..
So that's it, the left loses their mind and the Trump Administration forgets about it? Sounds like bad government to me, bub.
There were people, including on here, that were saying the feds in Portland were being to heavy handed with the rioters, and blaming the feds for the escalation.

And yeah, the Biden admin has forgotten about it..I wonder how many were charged Federaly before Jan 21st vs after.
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:37 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:19 am

I agree with BDK, they are attacking the government. It might be at a local level but it is still the government.

For the most part, the crimes were local crimes and the justice system in Portland/Multnomah County is giving them preferential treatment like the courts used to give whites preferential treatment. It's outraged, faux-progressive privilege.
It's still the gov't, yes. But the point is BDK is making excuses b/c someone else did it. Person X breaking the law isn't a reason for Person A to do so.
Wrong.

I’m saying IMHOP that what happened in DC for a couple hours isn’t as bad as what happened dozens of cities for weeks and in Portland’s and Seattle’s cases, for months.

Saying one is bad, one is far worse, isn’t making excuses for the less bad one.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:06 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:37 am It's still the gov't, yes. But the point is BDK is making excuses b/c someone else did it. Person X breaking the law isn't a reason for Person A to do so.
Wrong.

I’m saying IMHOP that what happened in DC for a couple hours isn’t as bad as what happened dozens of cities for weeks and in Portland’s and Seattle’s cases, for months.

Saying one is bad, one is far worse, isn’t making excuses for the less bad one.
Why does it matter if it was a few hours vs a few day?

This is really a no brainer - they're both wrong and we don't need to worry about the degrees here. They're wrong. Case closed.
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:12 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:06 am
Wrong.

I’m saying IMHOP that what happened in DC for a couple hours isn’t as bad as what happened dozens of cities for weeks and in Portland’s and Seattle’s cases, for months.

Saying one is bad, one is far worse, isn’t making excuses for the less bad one.
Why does it matter if it was a few hours vs a few day?

This is really a no brainer - they're both wrong and we don't need to worry about the degrees here. They're wrong. Case closed.
Ok, you were wrong in saying I was making excuses. Case closed.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:13 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:12 am Why does it matter if it was a few hours vs a few day?

This is really a no brainer - they're both wrong and we don't need to worry about the degrees here. They're wrong. Case closed.
Ok, you were wrong in saying I was making excuses. Case closed.
You are making excuses. You're giving the MAGA crowd a pass for doing the same thing the Antifa/BLM crowd did by saying the Portland riots were worse. You're trying to establish a false equivalency.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:03 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:36 am
So that's it, the left loses their mind and the Trump Administration forgets about it? Sounds like bad government to me, bub.
There were people, including on here, that were saying the feds in Portland were being to heavy handed with the rioters, and blaming the feds for the escalation.

And yeah, the Biden admin has forgotten about it..I wonder how many were charged Federaly before Jan 21st vs after.
I said that the Feds were being heavy-handed and escalated the situation.
- Am I the left?
- Did I "lose my collective shit" over it?
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:06 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:37 am It's still the gov't, yes. But the point is BDK is making excuses b/c someone else did it. Person X breaking the law isn't a reason for Person A to do so.
Wrong.

I’m saying IMHOP that what happened in DC for a couple hours isn’t as bad as what happened dozens of cities for weeks and in Portland’s and Seattle’s cases, for months.

Saying one is bad, one is far worse, isn’t making excuses for the less bad one.
You and Kalm are making the same arguments from opposite sides. He would say that the January 6 riot was worse because it was an attack on Congress, a more significant institution than a federal building in a city 3,000 miles from the Capital.

They were both bad, neither was less bad than the other.
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:53 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:21 am

So you would have been a loyalist in 1775? :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
Yes, let's compare taxation with no representation to a grown man throwing a hissy fit. Yes! Let's do this.
yeah, because that's ALL that was going on in 1775. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: It was just about the taxes. That's it. Nothing else.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:32 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:06 am
Wrong.

I’m saying IMHOP that what happened in DC for a couple hours isn’t as bad as what happened dozens of cities for weeks and in Portland’s and Seattle’s cases, for months.

Saying one is bad, one is far worse, isn’t making excuses for the less bad one.
You and Kalm are making the same arguments from opposite sides. He would say that the January 6 riot was worse because it was an attack on Congress, a more significant institution than a federal building in a city 3,000 miles from the Capital.

They were both bad, neither was less bad than the other.
More to it than just that and you know it. :nod:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:43 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:53 am

Yes, let's compare taxation with no representation to a grown man throwing a hissy fit. Yes! Let's do this.
yeah, because that's ALL that was going on in 1775. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: It was just about the taxes. That's it. Nothing else.
I see you missed the point.
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kalm wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:03 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:32 am

You and Kalm are making the same arguments from opposite sides. He would say that the January 6 riot was worse because it was an attack on Congress, a more significant institution than a federal building in a city 3,000 miles from the Capital.

They were both bad, neither was less bad than the other.
More to it than just that and you know it. :nod:
I know there was more to it on both sides and this whole "they were worse" pissing match is a distraction from the underlying issues that caused both.
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:06 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:43 am

yeah, because that's ALL that was going on in 1775. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: It was just about the taxes. That's it. Nothing else.
I see you missed the point.
You had one? :suspicious: :suspicious:
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