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Postby Pwns » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:35 pm

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... veira.html

Man, it's like Neil Gorsuch rules on judicial principles and isn't just some sadistic meanie. Who knew?
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Postby Ivytalk » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:43 pm

Pwns wrote:https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/gorsuch-arbitration-labor-new-prime-oliveira.html

Man, it's like Neil Gorsuch rules on judicial principles and isn't just some sadistic meanie. Who knew?

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Postby Pwns » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:17 pm

Basically, New Prime was arguing that they get to decide what the exceptions to the FAA with a mandatory arbitration clause and a court can't do anything about that. The only way you could be surprised that Gorsuch and Alito and the right-wing of the court don't agree with that is if you're a person that sees "the other side" as evil.
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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby CID1990 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:18 pm

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We already have that. Concierge doctors, private clinics. Need an abortion for your mistress? Check. Don't want to wait with the sick people? House calls. The wealthy will always have better health care, that is not the issue. It is getting decent healthcare for EVERYONE that is the issue.


I agree, there will always be two health care systems - one for everyone, and then the one for the wealthy. That's how it works pretty much everywhere where there is a nationalized health care system (the NHS in the UK is a perfect example). I think we should do that TODAY - there's no need to wait at this point. We'll have arguments forever about what constitutes "decent" healthcare - i.e. how long a wait time for surgery - assuming that surgery is even approved, what medicines get covered, etc. - but there's no reason why we shouldn't just do that now. The private health care system - with the better doctors, better equipment, no wait times, full range of any and all medicines - will always exist and where people with the means to access it will always go for health care. Stop debating the minutia now and let's get to the debate we'll have long after we're all dead and gone and that would be the debate over the wealthy getting the best health care and the non-wealthy getting whatever we can scrap together to be "decent".


I’m not 100% opposed to what you’re saying -

But I see friends in several countries with state run healthcare who are way ahead of me in terms of their income bracket and yet the headaches associated with their medical care are reminiscent of the people I see waiting in emergency rooms for basic care in the US

A large chunk of people in the US who consider their healthcare “adequate” will drop off into this area of inferior service - most of the middle class

And given our government track record, I guarantee 100% that it will be fvcked up so bad that the UK’s system will STILL look better
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Postby GannonFan » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:04 am

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I agree, there will always be two health care systems - one for everyone, and then the one for the wealthy. That's how it works pretty much everywhere where there is a nationalized health care system (the NHS in the UK is a perfect example). I think we should do that TODAY - there's no need to wait at this point. We'll have arguments forever about what constitutes "decent" healthcare - i.e. how long a wait time for surgery - assuming that surgery is even approved, what medicines get covered, etc. - but there's no reason why we shouldn't just do that now. The private health care system - with the better doctors, better equipment, no wait times, full range of any and all medicines - will always exist and where people with the means to access it will always go for health care. Stop debating the minutia now and let's get to the debate we'll have long after we're all dead and gone and that would be the debate over the wealthy getting the best health care and the non-wealthy getting whatever we can scrap together to be "decent".


I’m not 100% opposed to what you’re saying -

But I see friends in several countries with state run healthcare who are way ahead of me in terms of their income bracket and yet the headaches associated with their medical care are reminiscent of the people I see waiting in emergency rooms for basic care in the US

A large chunk of people in the US who consider their healthcare “adequate” will drop off into this area of inferior service - most of the middle class

And given our government track record, I guarantee 100% that it will be fvcked up so bad that the UK’s system will STILL look better


I don't doubt that, and you can argue that the NHS in the UK has gotten worse as time has moved on (in terms of what they cover, when they cover it, and the waiting times for it). I was reading a good book on neurosurgery last year by a UK surgeon and while he worked in the system he would never use the system himself when time came for him to be a patient. The arguments of the near future (and for quite a long time) will most certainly be over why is our national heath care system so messed up and how much do you need to make to be able to access the far more capable private market.
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Postby GannonFan » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:11 am

Ivytalk wrote:
Pwns wrote:https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/gorsuch-arbitration-labor-new-prime-oliveira.html

Man, it's like Neil Gorsuch rules on judicial principles and isn't just some sadistic meanie. Who knew?

The case proves that a thoughtful originalist analysis of a statute need not yield a corporatist result. Right, kalm?


Hey, just always nominate the smartest people in the room and the SCOTUS will be fine. Whether that person is Ginsburg or Kagan or Roberts or Gorsuch. We do better with smart people on the Court.
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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:15 pm

CID1990 wrote:
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I agree, there will always be two health care systems - one for everyone, and then the one for the wealthy. That's how it works pretty much everywhere where there is a nationalized health care system (the NHS in the UK is a perfect example). I think we should do that TODAY - there's no need to wait at this point. We'll have arguments forever about what constitutes "decent" healthcare - i.e. how long a wait time for surgery - assuming that surgery is even approved, what medicines get covered, etc. - but there's no reason why we shouldn't just do that now. The private health care system - with the better doctors, better equipment, no wait times, full range of any and all medicines - will always exist and where people with the means to access it will always go for health care. Stop debating the minutia now and let's get to the debate we'll have long after we're all dead and gone and that would be the debate over the wealthy getting the best health care and the non-wealthy getting whatever we can scrap together to be "decent".


I’m not 100% opposed to what you’re saying -

But I see friends in several countries with state run healthcare who are way ahead of me in terms of their income bracket and yet the headaches associated with their medical care are reminiscent of the people I see waiting in emergency rooms for basic care in the US

A large chunk of people in the US who consider their healthcare “adequate” will drop off into this area of inferior service - most of the middle class

And given our government track record, I guarantee 100% that it will be fvcked up so bad that the UK’s system will STILL look better


Partial POTY right there.
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Postby Col Hogan » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:28 pm

I thought Dems/liberals were opposed to using gays as a slam against Republicans...

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Postby CID1990 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:41 pm

Col Hogan wrote:I thought Dems/liberals were opposed to using gays as a slam against Republicans...

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Maybe they think it will hurt him with SC voters


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Postby mainejeff » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:49 pm

Graham looks like a typical Southern white male Baby Boomer closet case. Can I get more specific than that?

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Postby CID1990 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:17 pm

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Postby Skjellyfetti » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:10 pm

Sounds like you're embracing today's low bar of "persecution ": saying something mean about someone on the internet
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Postby CID1990 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:14 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Sounds like you're embracing today's low bar of "persecution ": saying something mean about someone on the internet


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Postby mainejeff » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:35 am

CID1990 wrote:"You've come a long way, baby!"

1800s: Closeted gays persecuted by non-gays

Today: Closeted gays persecuted by openly gays


When they are working against their own kind.....you betcha! :thumb:

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Postby CID1990 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:19 am

mainejeff wrote:
CID1990 wrote:"You've come a long way, baby!"

1800s: Closeted gays persecuted by non-gays

Today: Closeted gays persecuted by openly gays


When they are working against their own kind.....you betcha! :thumb:

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Postby 93henfan » Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:50 am

I'm seeing some coverage of the 2019 (and third) Women's March from various cities on the news networks today. Their attendance is WAY down.

I heard yesterday that there is a feud between black Muslins and white Joos within the movement and it sort of killed it. I assume all the uberlib white women sided with the Muslins and stayed home.

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Postby mainejeff » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:58 pm

Looks like the Catholics sent their little Nazis.....

https://twitter.com/SikhProf/status/1086648872062119936
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mainejeff wrote:Looks like the Catholics sent their little Nazis.....

https://twitter.com/SikhProf/status/1086648872062119936


It is really, really disappointing coming from a member of ONE persecuted group demanding equality to see you persecute ANOTHER persecuted group. What’s good for the goose, dickwad. You and your massive double standard are an embarrassment to gay people everywhere.
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Postby JohnStOnge » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:41 pm

Though I don't recall it this situation may already have been posted about:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wo ... be-n953281

Women's March in California canceled over concerns it would be 'overwhelmingly white'


The thing is, it was to be in Humbolt Country and Humbolt County was, as of July 1, 2018, 83.5% White.

This is an example of instances in which progressives really go off track.
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Postby mainejeff » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:53 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
mainejeff wrote:Looks like the Catholics sent their little Nazis.....

https://twitter.com/SikhProf/status/1086648872062119936


It is really, really disappointing coming from a member of ONE persecuted group demanding equality to see you persecute ANOTHER persecuted group. What’s good for the goose, dickwad. You and your massive double standard are an embarrassment to gay people everywhere.


I'm not OK with a little Brett Kavanaugh punk from a Catholic all boys private school in Kentucky coming to Washington DC under the guise of pro-life only to belittle and make fun of a Native American Vietnam Vet for all of his friends to see on social media. Hope the kid is having fun with his fame! :) ;) :lol:

I also hope the kid has a miserable life....he deserves it. :thumb:
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mainejeff wrote:
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It is really, really disappointing coming from a member of ONE persecuted group demanding equality to see you persecute ANOTHER persecuted group. What’s good for the goose, dickwad. You and your massive double standard are an embarrassment to gay people everywhere.


I'm not OK with a little Brett Kavanaugh punk from a Catholic all boys private school in Kentucky coming to Washington DC under the guise of pro-life only to belittle and make fun of a Native American Vietnam Vet for all of his friends to see on social media. Hope the kid is having fun with his fame! :) ;) :lol:

I also hope the kid has a miserable life....he deserves it. :thumb:


Under the guise of concern for the Native American, you persecute an entire group. Same shit you marched against, you now do. You’re a massive fucking hypocrite and you know it.
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Postby JohnStOnge » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:42 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
mainejeff wrote:
I'm not OK with a little Brett Kavanaugh punk from a Catholic all boys private school in Kentucky coming to Washington DC under the guise of pro-life only to belittle and make fun of a Native American Vietnam Vet for all of his friends to see on social media. Hope the kid is having fun with his fame! :) ;) :lol:

I also hope the kid has a miserable life....he deserves it. :thumb:


Under the guise of concern for the Native American, you persecute an entire group. Same **** you marched against, you now do. You’re a massive **** hypocrite and you know it.


I didn't know what you two guys were talking about at first but now I do. The actions by the students were unacceptable. The good news is that their school is considering expelling them.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
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Under the guise of concern for the Native American, you persecute an entire group. Same **** you marched against, you now do. You’re a massive **** hypocrite and you know it.


I didn't know what you two guys were talking about at first but now I do. The actions by the students were unacceptable. The good news is that their school is considering expelling them.


Yes, I agree. And because of their actions the gigantic hypocrite has slandered an entire religion. That would be like me saying “because MJ is a fucking douchebag hypocrite, thereby ALL gays must be fucking douchebag hypocrites”...
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mainejeff wrote:Looks like the Catholics sent their little Nazis.....

https://twitter.com/SikhProf/status/1086648872062119936


You are mentally warped, is anyone who disagrees with your left wing agenda a Nazi.


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Postby Chizzang » Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:27 pm

css75 wrote:
mainejeff wrote:Looks like the Catholics sent their little Nazis.....

https://twitter.com/SikhProf/status/1086648872062119936


You are mentally warped, is anyone who disagrees with your left wing agenda a Nazi.




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