GannonFan wrote: Chizzang wrote:
Not a drift my friend it's a spot on match.. and you know I'm right
Congress only creates bi-partisan committees and research councils to solve problems they care about
and my original point still stands
Healthcare isn't going to get fixed by congress until we take away what THEY have
and force them to solve the problem
You're so over your skis on this one I'm shocked you haven't knocked yourself out from falling yet. You're basically saying the only way to come up with the best healthcare system is to take elected officials, most of whom have no medical/healthcare background whatsoever, deny them any healthcare at all (again, for their voluntary, elected position), and wait for them to just figure it out for us. Like some weird political Thunderdome game; like 535 elected officials enter, 1 perfect healthcare system for everyone leave kind of thing? You really don't believe that, do you? You have to be trolling here, that's so absurd. And I don't mean so absurd it's awesome like Gritty is, but just silly absurd.
Our healthcare system comes down to choice, and it's the choice we, as the collective electorate, make. If we want a single payer system then we'll vote it into place (and I think somewhere in the next decade we do just that). We don't have one yet because not enough of us have wanted one so far. There's no magic elixir out there, whatever healthcare system we end up with will be good and bad, just like it is everywhere else in the world, and its success (the outcomes) will be impinged on by lifestyle choices and behaviors of the population at large. There's no real solve the problem here, there's just different degrees of what we could want. But yes, go on propagating the silly idea that it's a tiny cabal of elected politicians are too comfy that is getting in the way of healthcare nirvana. And unicorns too.
None of this is even remotely what I'm suggesting...
you obviously haven't read or comprehended a word of my posts
I never suggested anybody in congress had a clue about our healthcare system
I never suggested there was a magical solution
I suggested that congress hasn't done anything about Obama Care
because they don't have to use Obama Care
and by "not done anything" I mean they haven't created any research committees or bi-partisan studies
so there's no accumulated data on the proper direction any new legislation should take
there is no hard information to even begin the process of "fixing"
and none is forthcoming
because there is no healthcare crisis as far as they're concerned
there is just big pharma and Group Health buying politicians to stand still and do nothing
I understand that you don't think it's political obstruction - like I do
and you can argue that all you want... but we're having two different conversations