Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Political discussions
User avatar
CID1990
Level5
Level5
Posts: 21374
Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:40 am
I am a fan of: Pie
A.K.A.: CID 1990
Location: กรุงเทพมหานคร

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby CID1990 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:55 pm

kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

The problem is Islam, unlike every other religion in existence presently, has not reformed...
and they collectively (77%) see any reformation attempts as blasphemy

Islam continues to prove it is not compatible with the world today
as your hero Jordan Peterson says:
"Mohammed was a warlord and I just don't know what to do about that"

Conversely the bulk of Islamic Nations, Muslims flee from en mas
Because they are brutal dumpster fires and unrelentingly backwards

so we have this problem... and it's spreading
and this Islamic politician you defend does not hide her loyalties
yet simultaneously she would flee from an Islamic Nation

She is here but she is not with you kalm (make no mistake)

:nod:


I agree with much of this but try and understand I’m not defending her position or words. Just pointing out the inanity of getting triggered by it or attitude that leads to putting a bullet in the head of a US congresswoman over words.


This right here^^^^^

A textbook straw man argument.
"You however, are an insufferable ankle biting mental chihuahua..." - Clizzoris

Baldy
Level4
Level4
Posts: 7647
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:38 pm
I am a fan of: Georgia Southern

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Baldy » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:48 pm

Image

Image

:roll:

User avatar
SDHornet
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 12068
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:50 pm
I am a fan of: Sacramento State Hornets

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby SDHornet » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:58 pm

kalm really taking a beating the last few pages defending Omar. Ouch.

Oh and still waiting on the DNC to hold her accountable for her open antisemitism. I'm sure it'll happen some day. :roll:

User avatar
Pwns
Level4
Level4
Posts: 6161
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:38 pm
I am a fan of: Georgia Friggin' Southern
A.K.A.: FCS_pwns_FBS (AGS)

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Pwns » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:23 am

Africa would be Wakanda if it weren't for all the infrastructure and technology da white devil colonialists brought. :roll:
We get the government we deserve. :nod:

User avatar
CID1990
Level5
Level5
Posts: 21374
Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:40 am
I am a fan of: Pie
A.K.A.: CID 1990
Location: กรุงเทพมหานคร

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby CID1990 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:25 pm

Pwns wrote:Africa would be Wakanda if it weren't for all the infrastructure and technology da white devil colonialists brought. :roll:


Colonialism...

West Africa can be a case study in poor governance for the next 200 years and it will still be colonialism’s fault.

In the same amount if time, Americans went from candlelight and fearing smallpox to landing a man on the moon and defeating polio (and smallpox)

Western Civ is the greatest thing to ever happen to the human race, The fact that we now squander and vilify it is why we dont deserve it and should all be devoured by hyenas


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
"You however, are an insufferable ankle biting mental chihuahua..." - Clizzoris

User avatar
Chizzang
Level5
Level5
Posts: 17996
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:36 am
I am a fan of: Deflate Gate
A.K.A.: The Quasar Kid
Location: Soon to be Eden Prairie...

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Chizzang » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:41 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Pwns wrote:Africa would be Wakanda if it weren't for all the infrastructure and technology da white devil colonialists brought. :roll:


Colonialism...

West Africa can be a case study in poor governance for the next 200 years and it will still be colonialism’s fault.

In the same amount if time, Americans went from candlelight and fearing smallpox to landing a man on the moon and defeating polio (and smallpox)

Western Civ is the greatest thing to ever happen to the human race, The fact that we now squander and vilify it is why we dont deserve it and should all be devoured by hyenas


Both of these ^ posts are SPOT ON
Show me the Great Islamic Nation that people aren't fleeing from
Show me the great black nation that isn't in a state of complete chaos or rampant dysfunction

Islam has nothing to offer the world today
Islam can't even be left alone with itself... Muslims murdering Muslims is common
were it any other religion or Nation it would be regarded in epidemic proportions

fundamental religion poisons everything
and it always has... only when a religion edits itself with extreme redaction and modification
can it be involved in society as a positive thing

There is no mystery why extracting religion from governance has been the true "revelation" of man


:coffee:
Q: Name something that offends Republicans?
A: The actual teachings of Jesus

User avatar
Pwns
Level4
Level4
Posts: 6161
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:38 pm
I am a fan of: Georgia Friggin' Southern
A.K.A.: FCS_pwns_FBS (AGS)

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Pwns » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:06 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Colonialism...

West Africa can be a case study in poor governance for the next 200 years and it will still be colonialism’s fault.

In the same amount if time, Americans went from candlelight and fearing smallpox to landing a man on the moon and defeating polio (and smallpox)

Western Civ is the greatest thing to ever happen to the human race, The fact that we now squander and vilify it is why we dont deserve it and should all be devoured by hyenas


Both of these ^ posts are SPOT ON
Show me the Great Islamic Nation that people aren't fleeing from
Show me the great black nation that isn't in a state of complete chaos or rampant dysfunction

Islam has nothing to offer the world today
Islam can't even be left alone with itself... Muslims murdering Muslims is common
were it any other religion or Nation it would be regarded in epidemic proportions

fundamental religion poisons everything
and it always has... only when a religion edits itself with extreme redaction and modification
can it be involved in society as a positive thing

There is no mystery why extracting religion from governance has been the true "revelation" of man


:coffee:


And if we accept that you can't just bring western democracy to these countries with lots of foreign aid or UN resolutions or bombs and guns and coercion, does it not follow you can't set up communities of these people in places like London and "Little Mogadishu" and expect them to be thriving communities churning out doctors and engineers?

That seems to be a corollary that some on the left don't even think about.
We get the government we deserve. :nod:

User avatar
kalm
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 42240
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:36 pm
I am a fan of: Eastern
A.K.A.: klam
Location: Northern Palouse

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby kalm » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:21 pm

CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
She's fair game, but so are the critiques. I defend her because it's not as if there's a shortage of muslim hatred in America.

I just get tired of the extremism from both sides. There was a call on social media to put a bullet in her head.
Fighting extremism with extremism only works if you're willing to kill them all. Otherwise, the moderates and concepts of liberalism are the best means of de-radicalizing islam. Being severely triggered or issuing threats because she didn't use the right verbage doesn't help.


It’s funny how you back away from this while throwing down straw men as fast as you can

What extremism exactly is on display from people like Dan Crenshaw who are criticizing Omar, klam?

A couple times now you’ve suggested people were acting like drama queens and now you’re resting on a social media post? Do you know how many of those Trump gets daily? (Oh my goodness! Someone actually threatened a Congresscritter on social media.... it’s Trumps fault!!!)

Criticizing people who minimize crimes of terrorism, genocide, and crimes against humanity is not extreme. And that is all her prominent critics have done.

All the tweets from 2020 Dem hopefuls are essentially saying that any public criticism of Omar is inciting violence and is rooted in Islamophobia. This is what you are defending.


Yeah it was dumb for AOC to go after Crenshaw especially given his sacrifice.

And I’ll cop to to not explaining myself very well. The extremism and tribalism of simply verbal attacks is what I’m getting tired of and it comes from both sides. And yes there abundant drama queens ready to pounce from all directions.

Shit’s getting old
Image
Image
Image

User avatar
Pwns
Level4
Level4
Posts: 6161
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:38 pm
I am a fan of: Georgia Friggin' Southern
A.K.A.: FCS_pwns_FBS (AGS)

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Pwns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:36 am

Why do people question Ilhan Omar's love of America? Must be racism, sexism, and Islamophobia. :lol:

We get the government we deserve. :nod:

User avatar
Chizzang
Level5
Level5
Posts: 17996
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:36 am
I am a fan of: Deflate Gate
A.K.A.: The Quasar Kid
Location: Soon to be Eden Prairie...

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Chizzang » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:55 am

Pwns wrote:Why do people question Ilhan Omar's love of America? Must be racism, sexism, and Islamophobia. :lol:


Meh,
there are a lot of different ways to love something that doesn't love you back
I've had people tell me I don't love America

My concern about her is she doesn't equate the republic with it's success
She sees everything as a history of exploitation, oddly enough, except Islam

:shock:
Q: Name something that offends Republicans?
A: The actual teachings of Jesus

User avatar
Ibanez
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 50977
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:16 pm
I am a fan of: Coastal Carolina

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:30 am

Notre-Dame Cathedral is on fire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Paris.html
Image

Brace yourselves for Quasimodo memes.
Turns out I might be a little gay. 89Hen 11/7/17

∞∞∞
Level5
Level5
Posts: 10116
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:30 am

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:48 am

Such is the life of buildings, even the great ones.

Build a better Cathedral and move on.

User avatar
Ibanez
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 50977
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:16 pm
I am a fan of: Coastal Carolina

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:34 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:Such is the life of buildings, even the great ones.

Build a better Cathedral and move on.

:roll: :ohno:
Turns out I might be a little gay. 89Hen 11/7/17

User avatar
BDKJMU
Level5
Level5
Posts: 15480
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:59 am
I am a fan of: JMU
A.K.A.: BDKJMU
Location: Philly Burbs

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby BDKJMU » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:43 pm

Ibanez wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Such is the life of buildings, even the great ones.

Build a better Cathedral and move on.

:roll: :ohno:

I got to admit:
Image

∞∞∞
Level5
Level5
Posts: 10116
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:30 am

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:45 pm

Ibanez wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Such is the life of buildings, even the great ones.

Build a better Cathedral and move on.

:roll: :ohno:

I do genuinely get that it's a connection between past and present; on the other hand, the engineer in me sees it for what it is: a building. I don't like to get emotionally connected to physical structures because they don't have infinite lifespans and it's just a matter of who'll witness each structure's death.

Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down. :lol:

User avatar
Ibanez
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 50977
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:16 pm
I am a fan of: Coastal Carolina

Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:54 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :roll: :ohno:

I do genuinely get that it's a connection between past and present; on the other hand, the engineer in me sees it for what it is: a building. I don't like to get emotionally connected to physical structures because they don't have infinite lifespans and it's just a matter of who'll witness each structure's death.

Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down. :lol:

So we should tear down old things so we can build something else? Wtf?


It’s my opinion, but the architecture of these old buildings is just one thing that’s great about them. Nothing really gets built like that anymore. Nothing has hay charm. I’ve got a friend that designs towers and even she laments the most art that used to go into buildings.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Last edited by Ibanez on Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Turns out I might be a little gay. 89Hen 11/7/17

User avatar
BDKJMU
Level5
Level5
Posts: 15480
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:59 am
I am a fan of: JMU
A.K.A.: BDKJMU
Location: Philly Burbs

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby BDKJMU » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:56 pm

The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.

User avatar
89Hen
Maroon Supporter
Maroon Supporter
Posts: 33188
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:13 pm
I am a fan of: High Horses
A.K.A.: Fisher of Men

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby 89Hen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:59 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

:suspicious: There already is plenty of opportunity, don't need to lose historic buildings like this one for that.
Image

User avatar
Ibanez
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 50977
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:16 pm
I am a fan of: Coastal Carolina

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:59 pm

BDKJMU wrote:The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.
There are 1000 ur old churches still standing in France. I’ve been in them. They’ve survived the wars

And I. agree. It sucks. But I still disagree with Trip about tearing them down so we can build some ugly building. Churches, IMO, have gone from these beautiful buildings to steel warehouse looking garbage dumps. They’re terrible.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Turns out I might be a little gay. 89Hen 11/7/17

User avatar
GannonFan
Level5
Level5
Posts: 12877
Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:51 am
I am a fan of: Delaware
A.K.A.: Non-Partisan Hack

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby GannonFan » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:00 pm

BDKJMU wrote:The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.


I can't imagine the wood is anywhere close to original.

With that said, historical buildings can certainly be priceless - knowing that someone 2,000 years ago could see the same structure as you see today (certainly with some details different) is a profound experience and well worth the preservation of some historical structures. Losing that and losing a tie to the past is almost always a sad thing.
Proud Member of the Blue Hen Nation

User avatar
Ibanez
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 50977
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:16 pm
I am a fan of: Coastal Carolina

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:05 pm

89Hen wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

:suspicious: There already is plenty of opportunity, don't need to lose historic buildings like this one for that.

Trump...I mean TRIPP has lost it


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Turns out I might be a little gay. 89Hen 11/7/17

User avatar
Ibanez
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 50977
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:16 pm
I am a fan of: Coastal Carolina

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:07 pm

GannonFan wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.


I can't imagine the wood is anywhere close to original.

With that said, historical buildings can certainly be priceless - knowing that someone 2,000 years ago could see the same structure as you see today (certainly with some details different) is a profound experience and well worth the preservation of some historical structures. Losing that and losing a tie to the past is almost always a sad thing.

Some wood WAS from the 13th century. Other as new as the 19th. Stained glass that spanned from Original to the 20th century. But it’s more than just its building materials. That’s what TRIPP either ignores, doesn’t understands or cares about.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Turns out I might be a little gay. 89Hen 11/7/17

∞∞∞
Level5
Level5
Posts: 10116
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:30 am

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:08 pm

Ibanez wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:I do genuinely get that it's a connection between past and present; on the other hand, the engineer in me sees it for what it is: a building. I don't like to get emotionally connected to physical structures because they don't have infinite lifespans and it's just a matter of who'll witness each structure's death.

Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down. :lol:

So we should tear down old things so we can build something else? Wtf?

Sure, plenty working buildings are past their useful lives or society's outgrown them, but we keep them around because they're old. The White House is a good example.

I don't think Notre Dame wasn't such a building though. But it's still just a building. The loss is the physical connection to the past, but it was going to happen eventually.

User avatar
Winterborn
Level2
Level2
Posts: 1689
Joined: Wed May 25, 2016 2:33 pm
I am a fan of: Beer and Diesel Pickups
Location: Wherever I hang my hat

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Winterborn » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:12 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :roll: :ohno:

I do genuinely get that it's a connection between past and present; on the other hand, the engineer in me sees it for what it is: a building. I don't like to get emotionally connected to physical structures because they don't have infinite lifespans and it's just a matter of who'll witness each structure's death.

Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down. :lol:


Disagree. Certain things should be saved for all generations (this is one of them). Least we start to forget our past and the choices that were made back then.

This generation would put up a building, designed by a committee of all relevant parties and bare a strikingly resemblance to a chrome shoe box stood on end with a personality to match.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour

"Cynicism is the smoke that rises from the ashes of burned out dreams.” - Anon

"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein

∞∞∞
Level5
Level5
Posts: 10116
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:30 am

Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:17 pm

Winterborn wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:I do genuinely get that it's a connection between past and present; on the other hand, the engineer in me sees it for what it is: a building. I don't like to get emotionally connected to physical structures because they don't have infinite lifespans and it's just a matter of who'll witness each structure's death.

Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down. :lol:


Disagree. Certain things should be saved for all generations (this is one of them). Least we start to forget our past and the choices that were made back then.

This generation would put up a building, designed by a committee of all relevant parties and bare a strikingly resemblance to a chrome shoe box stood on end with a personality to match.

It's funny you say that because a temple hundreds of years old was torn down to build Notre Dame, it took 180 years to build it, and French leaders changed the architecture throughout its history.


Return to “Politics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Chizzang, GannonFan, kalm, MSN [Bot], Pwns and 293 guests