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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby BDKJMU » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:21 pm

Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.
There are 1000 ur old churches still standing in France. I’ve been in them. They’ve survived the wars

And I. agree. It sucks. But I still disagree with Trip about tearing them down so we can build some ugly building. Churches, IMO, have gone from these beautiful buildings to steel warehouse looking garbage dumps. They’re terrible.


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Where did he say intentionally tear anything down? :?
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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby 89Hen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:22 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:Sure, plenty working buildings are past their useful lives or society's outgrown them, but we keep them around because they're old. The White House is a good example.

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The HUD building is a good example.

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The White House is not.
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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby BDKJMU » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:23 pm

GannonFan wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.


I can't imagine the wood is anywhere close to original.

With that said, historical buildings can certainly be priceless - knowing that someone 2,000 years ago could see the same structure as you see today (certainly with some details different) is a profound experience and well worth the preservation of some historical structures. Losing that and losing a tie to the past is almost always a sad thing.

I’ve heard 850-860 years old ballpark. Nothing close to 2000 years.

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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:23 pm

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Winterborn wrote:
Disagree. Certain things should be saved for all generations (this is one of them). Least we start to forget our past and the choices that were made back then.

This generation would put up a building, designed by a committee of all relevant parties and bare a strikingly resemblance to a chrome shoe box stood on end with a personality to match.

It's funny you say that because a temple hundreds of years old was torn down to build Notre Dame, it took 180 years to build it, and French leaders changed the architecture throughout its history.

No sense of history...


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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:24 pm

89Hen wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Sure, plenty working buildings are past their useful lives or society's outgrown them, but we keep them around because they're old. The White House is a good example.

:suspicious:

We can do infinitely better than the White House, especially for a structure that's still in use. It's not even that impressive from an architectural standpoint.

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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:24 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote: There are 1000 ur old churches still standing in France. I’ve been in them. They’ve survived the wars

And I. agree. It sucks. But I still disagree with Trip about tearing them down so we can build some ugly building. Churches, IMO, have gone from these beautiful buildings to steel warehouse looking garbage dumps. They’re terrible.


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Where did he say intentionally tear anything down? :?
I can’t believe I’m defending Tripp

He didn’t. It’s his opportunity comment


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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby GannonFan » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:25 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote: There are 1000 ur old churches still standing in France. I’ve been in them. They’ve survived the wars

And I. agree. It sucks. But I still disagree with Trip about tearing them down so we can build some ugly building. Churches, IMO, have gone from these beautiful buildings to steel warehouse looking garbage dumps. They’re terrible.


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Where did he say intentionally tear anything down? :?
I can’t believe I’m defending Tripp


He said it here:

∞∞∞ wrote:Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down
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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby 89Hen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:26 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:
89Hen wrote: :suspicious:

We can do infinitely better than the White House, especially for a structure that's still in use. It's not even that impressive from an architectural standpoint.

Infinitely better at what? Dude, you're lost here. Just stop.
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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:27 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:
Ibanez wrote:So we should tear down old things so we can build something else? Wtf?

Sure, plenty working buildings are past their useful lives or society's outgrown them, but we keep them around because they're old. The White House is a good example.

I don't think Notre Dame wasn't such a building though. But it's still just a building. The loss is the physical connection to the past, but it was going to happen eventually.

The White House has outlived its usefulness?





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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:28 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:
Winterborn wrote:
Disagree. Certain things should be saved for all generations (this is one of them). Least we start to forget our past and the choices that were made back then.

This generation would put up a building, designed by a committee of all relevant parties and bare a strikingly resemblance to a chrome shoe box stood on end with a personality to match.

It's funny you say that because a temple hundreds of years old was torn down to build Notre Dame, it took 180 years to build it, and French leaders changed the architecture throughout its history.


Quasimodo is coming after your ass.

The architecture hasn't changed that much since Notre Dame was built. It's a nice example of gothic architecture. Maybe we should tear down all the Frank Lloyd Wright homes and build more modern, green homes in their place. IMO, it's much better to have a real life example of a building, than pictures and blueprints for future generations to study.
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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:29 pm

Tripp’s proposal for a new Notre Dame


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Postby Ivytalk » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:30 pm

Ibanez wrote:Tripp’s proposal for a new Notre Dame


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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:33 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:Maybe we should tear down all the Frank Lloyd Wright homes and build more modern, green homes in their place.

Frank Lloyd Wright is one of the biggest examples of my thinking (and probably influenced it).

One of his core beliefs as an architect is that structures are living entities and that like life itself, they are meant to die. People preserving his stuff will even tell you he'd be shocked, and possibly disappointed, his stuff is still standing today.

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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:34 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:
89Hen wrote: :suspicious:

We can do infinitely better than the White House, especially for a structure that's still in use. It's not even that impressive from an architectural standpoint.


A couple guys flying planes said the same thing about the World Trade Center. :ohno:
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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:37 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Maybe we should tear down all the Frank Lloyd Wright homes and build more modern, green homes in their place.

Frank Lloyd Wright is one of the biggest examples of my thinking (and probably influenced it).

One of his core beliefs as an architect is that structures are living entities and that like life itself, they are meant to die. People preserving his stuff will even tell you he'd be shocked, and possibly disappointed, his stuff is still standing today.


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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby BDKJMU » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:49 pm

I remember 9/11 seeing that NYFD had literally dozens and dozens of firetrucks, and hundreds and hundreds of firefighters, that were on scene in a relatively short period of time. I got the impression the French response didn’t appear to have been as rapid.

The Seine River runs right beside the Cathedral. How come no fireboats?
How come no helicopters or air tankers that could have dropped water?

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Postby Chizzang » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:53 pm

BDKJMU wrote:I remember 9/11 seeing that NYFD had literally dozens and dozens of firetrucks, and hundreds and hundreds of firefighters, that were on scene in a relatively short period of time. I got the impression the French response didn’t appear to have been as rapid.

The Seine River runs right beside the Cathedral. How come no fireboats?
How come no helicopters or air tankers that could have dropped water?


Dude, they were on lunch break...
Europe essentially goes dark for 90 minutes in the middle of every week day

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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:55 pm

BDKJMU wrote:I remember 9/11 seeing that NYFD had literally dozens and dozens of firetrucks, and hundreds and hundreds of firefighters, that were on scene in a relatively short period of time. I got the impression the French response didn’t appear to have been as rapid.

The Seine River runs right beside the Cathedral. How come no fireboats?
How come no helicopters or air tankers that could have dropped water?

Dropping water on it seems like an awful idea; I'm not sure why fireboats wouldn't work other than maybe the pumping power isn't strong enough (it's a few hundred feet from the river).

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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:11 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Maybe we should tear down all the Frank Lloyd Wright homes and build more modern, green homes in their place.

Frank Lloyd Wright is one of the biggest examples of my thinking (and probably influenced it).

One of his core beliefs as an architect is that structures are living entities and that like life itself, they are meant to die. People preserving his stuff will even tell you he'd be shocked, and possibly disappointed, his stuff is still standing today.

Yup. I figured as much. 8-)

I mean, look at how beautiful these are

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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:18 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:We can do infinitely better than the White House, especially for a structure that's still in use. It's not even that impressive from an architectural standpoint.


A couple guys flying planes said the same thing about the World Trade Center. :ohno:

yeah, it's not impressive.
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Equally unimpressive was how new and innovative design features were incorporated.



Trip, have to ever actually stood in Notre Dame? Being in that space, attending a mass and taking part in French Culture (which I think you would like) is probably one of the most impressive and awe inspiring things i've seen next to mass in St. Peter's Basilica.
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Postby Ibanez » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:19 pm

I do realize i'm coming on strong, btw. I just don't see how someone looks at an 800+ yr old cathedral, known world wide, immortailzed in literature and art and thinks, "well, buildings burn. Now we can put up something really cool like a Holiday Inn!"
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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:24 pm

Oh I really like Notre Dame. I think it's a marvel of architecture for its period.

But I don't get (easily) attached to physical structures.

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Re: Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:30 pm

Ibanez wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Frank Lloyd Wright is one of the biggest examples of my thinking (and probably influenced it).

One of his core beliefs as an architect is that structures are living entities and that like life itself, they are meant to die. People preserving his stuff will even tell you he'd be shocked, and possibly disappointed, his stuff is still standing today.

Yup. I figured as much. 8-)

I mean, look at how beautiful these are

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We need more homes and buildings to look like that.

Heck yeah. That's gorgeous architecture.

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Postby Gil Dobie » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Used to live close to this one, which was an Edward Jones office at one time.

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Postby Col Hogan » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:19 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:Used to live close to this one, which was an Edward Jones office at one time.

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I went on a business trip with three engineers to Peoria...we had to be at the client at 9AM...

I was told we had to leave the hotel at 7AM...and wanted to know why so early...

There is a Frank Lloyd Wright house in Peoria, and it was on their list to see...

OK...

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