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Ibanez wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Such is the life of buildings, even the great ones.

Build a better Cathedral and move on.
:roll: :ohno:
I do genuinely get that it's a connection between past and present; on the other hand, the engineer in me sees it for what it is: a building. I don't like to get emotionally connected to physical structures because they don't have infinite lifespans and it's just a matter of who'll witness each structure's death.

Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down. :lol:

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∞∞∞ wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :roll: :ohno:
I do genuinely get that it's a connection between past and present; on the other hand, the engineer in me sees it for what it is: a building. I don't like to get emotionally connected to physical structures because they don't have infinite lifespans and it's just a matter of who'll witness each structure's death.

Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down. :lol:
So we should tear down old things so we can build something else? Wtf?


It’s my opinion, but the architecture of these old buildings is just one thing that’s great about them. Nothing really gets built like that anymore. Nothing has hay charm. I’ve got a friend that designs towers and even she laments the most art that used to go into buildings.


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The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.

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∞∞∞ wrote:Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.
:suspicious: There already is plenty of opportunity, don't need to lose historic buildings like this one for that.
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BDKJMU wrote:The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.
There are 1000 ur old churches still standing in France. I’ve been in them. They’ve survived the wars

And I. agree. It sucks. But I still disagree with Trip about tearing them down so we can build some ugly building. Churches, IMO, have gone from these beautiful buildings to steel warehouse looking garbage dumps. They’re terrible.


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BDKJMU wrote:The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.
I can't imagine the wood is anywhere close to original.

With that said, historical buildings can certainly be priceless - knowing that someone 2,000 years ago could see the same structure as you see today (certainly with some details different) is a profound experience and well worth the preservation of some historical structures. Losing that and losing a tie to the past is almost always a sad thing.
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89Hen wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.
:suspicious: There already is plenty of opportunity, don't need to lose historic buildings like this one for that.
Trump...I mean TRIPP has lost it


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GannonFan wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.
I can't imagine the wood is anywhere close to original.

With that said, historical buildings can certainly be priceless - knowing that someone 2,000 years ago could see the same structure as you see today (certainly with some details different) is a profound experience and well worth the preservation of some historical structures. Losing that and losing a tie to the past is almost always a sad thing.
Some wood WAS from the 13th century. Other as new as the 19th. Stained glass that spanned from Original to the 20th century. But it’s more than just its building materials. That’s what TRIPP either ignores, doesn’t understands or cares about.


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Ibanez wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: I do genuinely get that it's a connection between past and present; on the other hand, the engineer in me sees it for what it is: a building. I don't like to get emotionally connected to physical structures because they don't have infinite lifespans and it's just a matter of who'll witness each structure's death.

Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down. :lol:
So we should tear down old things so we can build something else? Wtf?
Sure, plenty working buildings are past their useful lives or society's outgrown them, but we keep them around because they're old. The White House is a good example.

I don't think Notre Dame wasn't such a building though. But it's still just a building. The loss is the physical connection to the past, but it was going to happen eventually.

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∞∞∞ wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :roll: :ohno:
I do genuinely get that it's a connection between past and present; on the other hand, the engineer in me sees it for what it is: a building. I don't like to get emotionally connected to physical structures because they don't have infinite lifespans and it's just a matter of who'll witness each structure's death.

Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down. :lol:
Disagree. Certain things should be saved for all generations (this is one of them). Least we start to forget our past and the choices that were made back then.

This generation would put up a building, designed by a committee of all relevant parties and bare a strikingly resemblance to a chrome shoe box stood on end with a personality to match.
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Winterborn wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: I do genuinely get that it's a connection between past and present; on the other hand, the engineer in me sees it for what it is: a building. I don't like to get emotionally connected to physical structures because they don't have infinite lifespans and it's just a matter of who'll witness each structure's death.

Plus it's a good opportunity for this generation to leave something even better for the next ones.

Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down. :lol:
Disagree. Certain things should be saved for all generations (this is one of them). Least we start to forget our past and the choices that were made back then.

This generation would put up a building, designed by a committee of all relevant parties and bare a strikingly resemblance to a chrome shoe box stood on end with a personality to match.
It's funny you say that because a temple hundreds of years old was torn down to build Notre Dame, it took 180 years to build it, and French leaders changed the architecture throughout its history.

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Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.
There are 1000 ur old churches still standing in France. I’ve been in them. They’ve survived the wars

And I. agree. It sucks. But I still disagree with Trip about tearing them down so we can build some ugly building. Churches, IMO, have gone from these beautiful buildings to steel warehouse looking garbage dumps. They’re terrible.


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Where did he say intentionally tear anything down? :?
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∞∞∞ wrote:Sure, plenty working buildings are past their useful lives or society's outgrown them, but we keep them around because they're old. The White House is a good example.
:suspicious:

The HUD building is a good example.

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The White House is not.
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GannonFan wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:The wooden inside is what’s burning (was all of that original?). The stone walls are still standing.

WWII there were countless buildings & churches heavily damaged and/or destroyed. Many were rebuilt. I don’t know if there were any over 800 years old, but I’m sure there were some. It sucks, but it happens.
I can't imagine the wood is anywhere close to original.

With that said, historical buildings can certainly be priceless - knowing that someone 2,000 years ago could see the same structure as you see today (certainly with some details different) is a profound experience and well worth the preservation of some historical structures. Losing that and losing a tie to the past is almost always a sad thing.
I’ve heard 850-860 years old ballpark. Nothing close to 2000 years.

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∞∞∞ wrote:
Winterborn wrote:
Disagree. Certain things should be saved for all generations (this is one of them). Least we start to forget our past and the choices that were made back then.

This generation would put up a building, designed by a committee of all relevant parties and bare a strikingly resemblance to a chrome shoe box stood on end with a personality to match.
It's funny you say that because a temple hundreds of years old was torn down to build Notre Dame, it took 180 years to build it, and French leaders changed the architecture throughout its history.
No sense of history...


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89Hen wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Sure, plenty working buildings are past their useful lives or society's outgrown them, but we keep them around because they're old. The White House is a good example.
:suspicious:
We can do infinitely better than the White House, especially for a structure that's still in use. It's not even that impressive from an architectural standpoint.

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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote: There are 1000 ur old churches still standing in France. I’ve been in them. They’ve survived the wars

And I. agree. It sucks. But I still disagree with Trip about tearing them down so we can build some ugly building. Churches, IMO, have gone from these beautiful buildings to steel warehouse looking garbage dumps. They’re terrible.


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Where did he say intentionally tear anything down? :?
I can’t believe I’m defending Tripp
He didn’t. It’s his opportunity comment


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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote: There are 1000 ur old churches still standing in France. I’ve been in them. They’ve survived the wars

And I. agree. It sucks. But I still disagree with Trip about tearing them down so we can build some ugly building. Churches, IMO, have gone from these beautiful buildings to steel warehouse looking garbage dumps. They’re terrible.


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Where did he say intentionally tear anything down? :?
I can’t believe I’m defending Tripp
He said it here:
∞∞∞ wrote:Then again, there's quite a few buildings people find worth saving that I think should be torn down
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∞∞∞ wrote:
89Hen wrote: :suspicious:
We can do infinitely better than the White House, especially for a structure that's still in use. It's not even that impressive from an architectural standpoint.
Infinitely better at what? Dude, you're lost here. Just stop.
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∞∞∞ wrote:
Ibanez wrote: So we should tear down old things so we can build something else? Wtf?
Sure, plenty working buildings are past their useful lives or society's outgrown them, but we keep them around because they're old. The White House is a good example.

I don't think Notre Dame wasn't such a building though. But it's still just a building. The loss is the physical connection to the past, but it was going to happen eventually.
The White House has outlived its usefulness?





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∞∞∞ wrote:
Winterborn wrote:
Disagree. Certain things should be saved for all generations (this is one of them). Least we start to forget our past and the choices that were made back then.

This generation would put up a building, designed by a committee of all relevant parties and bare a strikingly resemblance to a chrome shoe box stood on end with a personality to match.
It's funny you say that because a temple hundreds of years old was torn down to build Notre Dame, it took 180 years to build it, and French leaders changed the architecture throughout its history.

Quasimodo is coming after your ass.

The architecture hasn't changed that much since Notre Dame was built. It's a nice example of gothic architecture. Maybe we should tear down all the Frank Lloyd Wright homes and build more modern, green homes in their place. IMO, it's much better to have a real life example of a building, than pictures and blueprints for future generations to study.
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Tripp’s proposal for a new Notre Dame


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Ibanez wrote:Tripp’s proposal for a new Notre Dame


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Gil Dobie wrote:Maybe we should tear down all the Frank Lloyd Wright homes and build more modern, green homes in their place.
Frank Lloyd Wright is one of the biggest examples of my thinking (and probably influenced it).

One of his core beliefs as an architect is that structures are living entities and that like life itself, they are meant to die. People preserving his stuff will even tell you he'd be shocked, and possibly disappointed, his stuff is still standing today.

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∞∞∞ wrote:
89Hen wrote: :suspicious:
We can do infinitely better than the White House, especially for a structure that's still in use. It's not even that impressive from an architectural standpoint.
A couple guys flying planes said the same thing about the World Trade Center. :ohno:
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