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NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:08 pm
by 93henfan
Jersey used to be the place to stop for cheap gas when headed north. Not anymore.
TRENTON — Gov. Chris Christie and Democratic leaders announced Friday they have reached a deal for transportation funding that will raise New Jersey's gas tax by 23 cents a gallon, ending a summer-long standoff that led to a statewide construction freeze...
...At 37.5 cents a gallon, gas taxes in the Garden State will go from second-lowest in the U.S. to seventh-highest.
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... e-featured
Yay taxes.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:16 pm
by Ivytalk
Donut Man doubled down on his political stupidity. First backing Drumpf. Now this.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:46 pm
by CAA Flagship
Ivytalk wrote:Donut Man doubled down on his political stupidity. First backing Drumpf. Now this.
What is your argument against this?
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:55 pm
by Ivytalk
CAA Flagship wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Donut Man doubled down on his political stupidity. First backing Drumpf. Now this.
What is your argument against this?
Where do I start? 1. Timing. 2. Magnitude (whatever happened to incrementalism) 3. Optics 4. What does lame-foie gras Christie get in return from the Donk legislature?
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:06 pm
by Vidav
And you cant even pump your own gas.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:31 pm
by 93henfan
Vidav wrote:And you cant even pump your own gas.
That's actually a good thing when it's raining or when there is still some mileage left on your joint.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:34 pm
by Grizalltheway
93henfan wrote:Vidav wrote:And you cant even pump your own gas.
That's actually a good thing when it's raining or when there is still some mileage left on your joint.
Can't argue with your second point, but do they not have covered pumps in the Garden State?
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:39 pm
by CAA Flagship
Vidav wrote:And you cant even pump your own gas.
What do you have against jobs?
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:49 pm
by 93henfan
Grizalltheway wrote:93henfan wrote:
That's actually a good thing when it's raining or when there is still some mileage left on your joint.
Can't argue with your second point, but do they not have covered pumps in the Garden State?
They have covered pumps here and I got pretty soaked last night in the hurricane that isn't a hurricane we've been having here in Slower Delaware the last three days. 14 inches of rain and counting. Shit was coming in sideways at the pump last night.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:51 pm
by CAA Flagship
Ivytalk wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:
What is your argument against this?
Where do I start? 1. Timing. 2. Magnitude (whatever happened to incrementalism) 3. Optics 4.
What does lame-foie gras Christie get in return from the Donk legislature?
For motorists, the higher gas taxes could come in early October. But it will be offset somewhat by a reduction in the sales tax from 7 percent to 6.875 in 2017 and 6.625 percent in 2018.
The sales tax is part of a package of tax cuts the lawmakers agreed to in exchange for the first gas tax hike since 1988. The compromise struck Friday afternoon also eliminates the estate tax, eases taxes on retirement income, boosts the Earned Income Tax Credit for the working poor and creates a tax deduction for veterans.
Meh. I really haven't been following this, but from that part of the article, I see this as a tax hike that will be partially paid for by non-NJ residents. And offset by tax cuts that NJ residents can benefit from. It's not like NJ residents that live close to the border with PA and NY are going to buy their gas outside of NJ. Their gas tax rates are still higher.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:40 pm
by slycat
Gas taxes have been flat in most of the country for a long time. The funds raised by them aren't enough to pay for the infrastructure upkeep they were designed for. We have been needing to raise the gas taxes for a while now. Now the trick is to not squander the money.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:54 pm
by BDKJMU
slycat wrote:Gas taxes have been flat in most of the country for a long time. The funds raised by them aren't enough to pay for the infrastructure upkeep they were designed for. We have been needing to raise the gas taxes for a while now. Now the trick is to not squander the money.
Wrong. Most states have raised theirs in the last few years.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:29 am
by Vidav
CAA Flagship wrote:Vidav wrote:And you cant even pump your own gas.
What do you have against jobs?
It's not about jobs it's about a pointless law that only two states have. There is no reason to force you to let someone else pump your gas. If it's all about jobs why don't we also require that someone else wipe your ass for $10/hour? It creates jobs!!!
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:50 am
by CAA Flagship
Vidav wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:
What do you have against jobs?
It's not about jobs it's about a pointless law that only two states have. There is no reason to
force you to let someone else pump your gas. If it's all about jobs why don't we also require that someone else wipe your ass for $10/hour? It creates jobs!!!
The law is in place because it is a fire hazard.
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Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:47 am
by andy7171
I'll still have someone pump my gas and fill it up after I cross the DelMemBr and before on my way to OCNJ every August. It'll still be cheaper than MD.
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Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:04 am
by 93henfan
andy7171 wrote: It'll still be cheaper than MD.
Not anymore. Maryland gas is still fairly reasonable and Delaware is even better, especially up by the bridge which is near refineries. Jersey used to be 10-15 cents cheaper and now it'll be 10-15 higher.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:08 am
by AshevilleApp
BDKJMU wrote:slycat wrote:Gas taxes have been flat in most of the country for a long time. The funds raised by them aren't enough to pay for the infrastructure upkeep they were designed for. We have been needing to raise the gas taxes for a while now. Now the trick is to not squander the money.
Wrong. Most states have raised theirs in the last few years.
Maybe so, I won't bother fact checking either of you on that one claim. But the truth is that gas taxes don't cover the infrastructure needs, at least in North Carolina. You either raise gas taxes, or look at other options like toll roads, etc. Wait until states start considering Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT's) as a funding option. Then people will really freak out.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:11 am
by 93henfan
AshevilleApp wrote:You either raise gas taxes, or look at other options like toll roads, etc.
Jersey will now be leaders in both!
AshevilleApp wrote:Wait until states start considering Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT's) as a funding option. Then people will really freak out.
From a guy who works 100 miles away from home, yep. It'll be a nice bargaining chip for more telework though.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:19 am
by ASUG8
Guess we should brace for the rest of NJ to move South.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:18 am
by CAA Flagship
93henfan wrote:AshevilleApp wrote:You either raise gas taxes, or look at other options like toll roads, etc.
Jersey will now be leaders in both!
AshevilleApp wrote:Wait until states start considering Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT's) as a funding option. Then people will really freak out.
From a guy who works 100 miles away from home, yep. It'll be a nice bargaining chip for more telework though.
Hoooooooold on there, Baba Looey. Delaware has no room to talk about tolls.
http://thenewswheel.com/the-ten-most-ex ... n-america/
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:39 am
by 93henfan
CAA Flagship wrote:93henfan wrote:
Jersey will now be leaders in both!
From a guy who works 100 miles away from home, yep. It'll be a nice bargaining chip for more telework though.
Hoooooooold on there, Baba Looey. Delaware has no room to talk about tolls.
http://thenewswheel.com/the-ten-most-ex ... n-america/
You'd have to be a complete idiot to pay the Delaware Turnpike toll when you can do the loop by Delaware stadium and grab a coffee at Wawa while completely skirting the tollbooths. Ten minute detour tops.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:22 pm
by Skjellyfetti
I miss Wawa.
Was one right next door to my office in Williamsburg.
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:26 pm
by 93henfan
Skjellyfetti wrote:I miss Wawa.
Was one right next door to my office in Williamsburg.
THERE IT IS, FOLKS!!!!!! SKJELLY AND I AGREE ON SOMETHING!!
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:09 pm
by CAA Flagship
Skjellyfetti wrote:I miss Wawa.
Was one right next door to my office in Williamsburg.
Which one? On 143 or the one across from W&M?
Re: NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:09 pm
by CAA Flagship
93henfan wrote:
You'd have to be a complete idiot to pay the Delaware Turnpike toll when you can do the loop by Delaware stadium and grab a coffee at Wawa while completely skirting the tollbooths. Ten minute detour tops.
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