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What is entirely absent from Catholic Vote’s “history” is the context of what was happening in Latin America during the 1980s — particularly to Catholics. Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador was assassinated by graduates of the U.S. Army School of the Americas as he performed mass. Catholic nuns and laywomen, including four from the U.S., were raped and murdered. Jesuit priests were executed by death squads. The U.S.-backed Honduran Army’s secret police unit, Battalion 316, committed systematic massacres — all while John Negroponte was the U.S. ambassador to Honduras. Negroponte was very close to 316’s commander, Gen. Gustavo Álvarez Martínez, and met with him frequently.

Declassified cables from Negroponte’s time in Honduras reveal no evidence Negroponte ever expressed even a mild objection to Battalion 316’s systematic murders and human rights abuses. According to the National Security Archives: “The Honduran human rights ombudsman later found that more than 50 people disappeared at the hands of the military during those years. But Negroponte’s cables reflect no protest, or even discussion of these issues during his many meetings with Gen. Álvarez, his deputies and Honduran President Robert Suazo. Nor do the released cables contain any reporting to Washington on the human rights abuses that were taking place.”

And what became of Father Carney?

He was thrown from a helicopter in 1983. A whistleblower who deserted Battalion 316 reported that Carney “was executed by order of the battalion’s commander, Gen. Gustavo Álvarez Martínez, who along with several other members of 316 had received training in counterintelligence from U.S. forces at the School of the Americas.” The deserter also asserted that “Álvarez Martínez gave the order for Carney’s execution in the presence of a CIA officer, known as ‘Mister Mike.’” The Los Angeles Times reported that Negroponte failed to report a “U.S.-backed operation that resulted in the execution of nine prisoners and the disappearance of an American priest.” The year Carney was murdered, Negroponte praised Gen. Álvarez Martínez’s “dedication to democracy.”................

John Negroponte, who went on to become George W. Bush’s Director of National Intelligence, has endorsed Kaine’s running mate, Hillary Clinton — a fact the campaign has proudly promoted. Perhaps that should be the focus of any scandal involving Fr. Carney and the Clinton campaign — and not some meeting Tim Kaine had as a law student three decades ago.

That may be difficult for Clinton. She engaged in the same kind of red baiting against Bernie Sanders over comments Sanders made about the Nicaraguan Sandinistas, who fought the Contra death squads passionately supported by Clinton’s endorser, Negroponte.

andy7171 wrote:Right Wing Catholics....

kalm wrote:

andy7171 wrote:Right Wing Catholics....

You, 89, and Ganny are just outliers.

andy7171 wrote:As far as I have experienced, Catholics are 50/50

89Hen wrote:

andy7171 wrote:As far as I have experienced, Catholics are 50/50

That's common knowledge. Can't tell if Cleets is just fishing.

89Hen wrote:

andy7171 wrote:As far as I have experienced, Catholics are 50/50

That's common knowledge. Can't tell if Cleets is just fishing.

Chizzang wrote:

89Hen wrote: That's common knowledge. Can't tell if Cleets is just fishing.

Absolutely agreed,
But laughing at the idea of something that is 50/50 above like Andy does was my point

andy7171 wrote:Right Wing Catholics....

andy7171 wrote:Ah fuck.

Chizzang wrote:

andy7171 wrote:Right Wing Catholics....

Yeah... ^ what a crazy idea (oh wait)
Right Wing Catholics = 50%

kalm wrote:

andy7171 wrote:Ah fuck.

This cracked me up!

andy7171 wrote:

kalm wrote:
This cracked me up!

Why even bother self correcting. I'm a self admitted idiot.

andy7171 wrote:As far as I have experienced, Catholics are 50/50. Far right wing Catholics are just about as rare as all of my in-laws on the other side. Even D1B backs me up on this.

GannonFan wrote:

andy7171 wrote:As far as I have experienced, Catholics are 50/50. Far right wing Catholics are just about as rare as all of my in-laws on the other side. Even D1B backs me up on this.

Agreed. There are whacko Catholics out there (the Mel Gibson wing and those weird societies in the Dan Brown books) but for the most part they're right around neutral. Heck, that's the knock from the other religions, that Catholicism is too lax and too mainstream. We leave extremism to others.

kalm wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Agreed. There are whacko Catholics out there (the Mel Gibson wing and those weird societies in the Dan Brown books) but for the most part they're right around neutral. Heck, that's the knock from the other religions, that Catholicism is too lax and too mainstream. We leave extremism to others.

We'll FTR, the quote read "right wing Catholics" , not "whacko" or "extreme" right wing Catholics. You guys placed those stamps on it.

Triggered....

andy7171 wrote:

kalm wrote:
We'll FTR, the quote read "right wing Catholics" , not "whacko" or "extreme" right wing Catholics. You guys placed those stamps on it.

Triggered....

Piss off pagan!


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kalm wrote:

andy7171 wrote: Piss off pagan!


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Month in a half to solstice!

kalm wrote:

andy7171 wrote: Piss off pagan!


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Month in a half to solstice!

andy7171 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Month in a half to solstice!

What's that about two weeks?