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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby Pwns » Fri May 10, 2019 10:01 am

Ivytalk wrote:Patrick Shanahan for SecDef?

Who’s THIS fukkin’ guy?


Trump Googled "I need someone to coordinate defense" and got an NFL coach?
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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby Ibanez » Fri May 10, 2019 10:22 am

Ivytalk wrote:Patrick Shanahan for SecDef?

Who’s THIS fukkin’ guy?

Mick bastard....
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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby Chizzang » Fri May 10, 2019 10:51 am

CID1990 wrote:
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Just a failed Boeing executive...
why - who's asking?

:lol:

He'll be gone in 4 months


There are about to be a whole truckload of failed Boeing execs out there job hunting soon



Were there any real justice in the world... then sure
But I think you'll find that no such justice exists in mega-corp money land U.S.A.
a bunch of dead brown people and rampant internal fraud has simply dented the stock (for now)

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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby CID1990 » Fri May 10, 2019 4:49 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
There are about to be a whole truckload of failed Boeing execs out there job hunting soon



Were there any real justice in the world... then sure
But I think you'll find that no such justice exists in mega-corp money land U.S.A.
a bunch of dead brown people and rampant internal fraud has simply dented the stock (for now)

:coffee:


Yes - but they also live in a world of thin margins where the loss of one sale to Airbus can be rightly considered a catastrophe... especially in the workhorse class of airplanes

They can’t do anything about the punishments the market will deliver


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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby Chizzang » Fri May 10, 2019 5:03 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Were there any real justice in the world... then sure
But I think you'll find that no such justice exists in mega-corp money land U.S.A.
a bunch of dead brown people and rampant internal fraud has simply dented the stock (for now)

:coffee:


Yes - but they also live in a world of thin margins where the loss of one sale to Airbus can be rightly considered a catastrophe... especially in the workhorse class of airplanes

They can’t do anything about the punishments the market will deliver


The market might be the only thing that would punish them...
Certainly not our legal system or our government - we're way too far gone for any kind of accountability

:nod:

Boeing won't even relent to pay taxes
and they're a multi-national so they can't be properly audited

:lol:

Wheeeee !!!!
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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby kalm » Fri May 10, 2019 5:43 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Yes - but they also live in a world of thin margins where the loss of one sale to Airbus can be rightly considered a catastrophe... especially in the workhorse class of airplanes

They can’t do anything about the punishments the market will deliver


The market might be the only thing that would punish them...
Certainly not our legal system or our government - we're way too far gone for any kind of accountability

:nod:

Boeing won't even relent to pay taxes
and they're a multi-national so they can't be properly audited

:lol:

Wheeeee !!!!


This must be what they mean by “free” market and “corporate personhood”.
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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby BDKJMU » Fri May 10, 2019 6:56 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Yes - but they also live in a world of thin margins where the loss of one sale to Airbus can be rightly considered a catastrophe... especially in the workhorse class of airplanes

They can’t do anything about the punishments the market will deliver


The market might be the only thing that would punish them...
Certainly not our legal system or our government - we're way too far gone for any kind of accountability

:nod:

Boeing won't even relent to pay taxes
and they're a multi-national so they can't be properly audited

:lol:

Wheeeee !!!!

I know you don’t like facts getting in the way of one of your narratives, but:
“Boeing paid $1.2 billion in federal income tax last year for an effective tax rate of 23 percent. It was the third year in a row when Boeing actually paid income tax as opposed to claiming a refund.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... -in-a-row/

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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby AZGrizFan » Sun May 12, 2019 2:34 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
The market might be the only thing that would punish them...
Certainly not our legal system or our government - we're way too far gone for any kind of accountability

:nod:

Boeing won't even relent to pay taxes
and they're a multi-national so they can't be properly audited

:lol:

Wheeeee !!!!

I know you don’t like facts getting in the way of one of your narratives, but:
“Boeing paid $1.2 billion in federal income tax last year for an effective tax rate of 23 percent. It was the third year in a row when Boeing actually paid income tax as opposed to claiming a refund.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... -in-a-row/


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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby Chizzang » Sun May 12, 2019 3:11 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
The market might be the only thing that would punish them...
Certainly not our legal system or our government - we're way too far gone for any kind of accountability

:nod:

Boeing won't even relent to pay taxes
and they're a multi-national so they can't be properly audited

:lol:

Wheeeee !!!!

I know you don’t like facts getting in the way of one of your narratives, but:
“Boeing paid $1.2 billion in federal income tax last year for an effective tax rate of 23 percent. It was the third year in a row when Boeing actually paid income tax as opposed to claiming a refund.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... -in-a-row/



Let's not get too ahead of ourselves here... boys

Boeing tax facts

Totals over 15 years, 2002-2016
Pretax profit: $61.9 billion
Federal income tax paid: $2.0 billion
Effective tax rate: 3.2 percent

Boeing over the past 15 years is rolling in at 3.2%
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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby BDKJMU » Sun May 12, 2019 4:11 pm

Chizzang wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:I know you don’t like facts getting in the way of one of your narratives, but:
“Boeing paid $1.2 billion in federal income tax last year for an effective tax rate of 23 percent. It was the third year in a row when Boeing actually paid income tax as opposed to claiming a refund.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... -in-a-row/



Let's not get too ahead of ourselves here... boys

Boeing tax facts

Totals over 15 years, 2002-2016
Pretax profit: $61.9 billion
Federal income tax paid: $2.0 billion
Effective tax rate: 3.2 percent

Boeing over the past 15 years is rolling in at 3.2%

Link?

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Re: RE: Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby SeattleGriz » Sun May 12, 2019 4:15 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

Let's not get too ahead of ourselves here... boys

Boeing tax facts

Totals over 15 years, 2002-2016
Pretax profit: $61.9 billion
Federal income tax paid: $2.0 billion
Effective tax rate: 3.2 percent

Boeing over the past 15 years is rolling in at 3.2%

Link?
What about Boeing's 150k employees that pay taxes. Surely Boeing deserves some credit.
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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby CID1990 » Sun May 12, 2019 4:38 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Link?
What about Boeing's 150k employees that pay taxes. Surely Boeing deserves some credit.


Not just pay taxes - but also earn that great “living wage” we keep hearing about


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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby Chizzang » Sun May 12, 2019 4:41 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

Let's not get too ahead of ourselves here... boys

Boeing tax facts

Totals over 15 years, 2002-2016
Pretax profit: $61.9 billion
Federal income tax paid: $2.0 billion
Effective tax rate: 3.2 percent

Boeing over the past 15 years is rolling in at 3.2%

Link?


Look at your own link... it's right there
Source: Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy


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Re: RE: Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby SeattleGriz » Sun May 12, 2019 4:43 pm

CID1990 wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:What about Boeing's 150k employees that pay taxes. Surely Boeing deserves some credit.


Not just pay taxes - but also earn that great “living wage” we keep hearing about


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Re: RE: Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby Chizzang » Sun May 12, 2019 5:09 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Not just pay taxes - but also earn that great “living wage” we keep hearing about


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Yes. Boeing pays well for all levels.


Boeing pays absolute dead middle average for the Seattle Market per job description...

:nod:

and not a penny more
Except their CEO makes about $15 Mil after his 27% pay raise

:lol:

But he's special
The Boeing corporate average annual pay raise is something like 2.2 %
unless you're the guy that oversaw the latest disaster then you get a 27% raise
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby SeattleGriz » Sun May 12, 2019 5:53 pm

Chizzang wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Yes. Boeing pays well for all levels.


Boeing pays absolute dead middle average for the Seattle Market per job description...

:nod:

and not a penny more
Except their CEO makes about $15 Mil after his 27% pay raise



But he's special
The Boeing corporate average annual pay raise is something like 2.2 %
unless you're the guy that oversaw the latest disaster then you get a 27% raise
You start at Boeing and stay there your whole life, you will have a very nice retirement.

Simply agreeing with living wage, as jobs that Boeing offers aren't available everywhere.
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Re: RE: Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby AZGrizFan » Sun May 12, 2019 6:22 pm

Chizzang wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Yes. Boeing pays well for all levels.


Boeing pays absolute dead middle average for the Seattle Market per job description...

:nod:

and not a penny more
Except their CEO makes about $15 Mil after his 27% pay raise

:lol:

But he's special
The Boeing corporate average annual pay raise is something like 2.2 %
unless you're the guy that oversaw the latest disaster then you get a 27% raise


How many other companies that do what Boeing does are there in Seattle?
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Re: RE: Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby Chizzang » Sun May 12, 2019 6:25 pm

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Chizzang wrote:
Boeing pays absolute dead middle average for the Seattle Market per job description...

:nod:

and not a penny more
Except their CEO makes about $15 Mil after his 27% pay raise

:lol:

But he's special
The Boeing corporate average annual pay raise is something like 2.2 %
unless you're the guy that oversaw the latest disaster then you get a 27% raise


How many other companies that do what Boeing does are there in Seattle?


How many companies in Seattle hire engineers ..?
maybe 2,500

Why do you ask..?
There are over a 1,000 that hire just software engineers
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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby CID1990 » Sun May 12, 2019 7:30 pm

Chizzang wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Yes. Boeing pays well for all levels.


Boeing pays absolute dead middle average for the Seattle Market per job description...

:nod:

and not a penny more
Except their CEO makes about $15 Mil after his 27% pay raise

:lol:

But he's special
The Boeing corporate average annual pay raise is something like 2.2 %
unless you're the guy that oversaw the latest disaster then you get a 27% raise


I heard Seattle salaries are pretty good- I’m relatively sure that being in the middle in Seattle constitutes a living wage

So exactly why should we penalize Boeing? Do their executive salaries take food off my plate? I personally am unconcerned with executive salaries in publicly held companies.

Competition for people who can run large corporations is stiff and it really comes as no surprise that their compensation packages are grotesque. But if we start regulating it because justice or something - I’m pretty sure the cure will have worse effects than the disease


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Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby Chizzang » Sun May 12, 2019 8:06 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Boeing pays absolute dead middle average for the Seattle Market per job description...

:nod:

and not a penny more
Except their CEO makes about $15 Mil after his 27% pay raise

:lol:

But he's special
The Boeing corporate average annual pay raise is something like 2.2 %
unless you're the guy that oversaw the latest disaster then you get a 27% raise


I heard Seattle salaries are pretty good- I’m relatively sure that being in the middle in Seattle constitutes a living wage

So exactly why should we penalize Boeing? Do their executive salaries take food off my plate? I personally am unconcerned with executive salaries in publicly held companies.

Competition for people who can run large corporations is stiff and it really comes as no surprise that their compensation packages are grotesque. But if we start regulating it because justice or something - I’m pretty sure the cure will have worse effects than the disease


$105K is the bottom of middle class...

:lol:
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Re: RE: Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby UNI88 » Sun May 12, 2019 8:15 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Boeing pays absolute dead middle average for the Seattle Market per job description...

:nod:

and not a penny more
Except their CEO makes about $15 Mil after his 27% pay raise



But he's special
The Boeing corporate average annual pay raise is something like 2.2 %
unless you're the guy that oversaw the latest disaster then you get a 27% raise


I heard Seattle salaries are pretty good- I’m relatively sure that being in the middle in Seattle constitutes a living wage

So exactly why should we penalize Boeing? Do their executive salaries take food off my plate? I personally am unconcerned with executive salaries in publicly held companies.

Competition for people who can run large corporations is stiff and it really comes as no surprise that their compensation packages are grotesque. But if we start regulating it because justice or something - I’m pretty sure the cure will have worse effects than the disease


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I think the system is broken. CEOs are valuable but not mega-millions per year valuable especially since even the ones who are tripping over their genitals bad are also getting mega-millions. Is the CEO really more valuable than 150 engineers?

There are too many boards made up of CEOs rewarding each other regardless of results or focusing on short-term stock market based results rather than building strong companies that will last. It's incestuous and needs to be fixed. But I'm hoping that the market will somehow fix it. If the government fixes it I'm positive that the cure will be worse than the disease.

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Re: RE: Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby AZGrizFan » Sun May 12, 2019 9:19 pm

UNI88 wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I heard Seattle salaries are pretty good- I’m relatively sure that being in the middle in Seattle constitutes a living wage

So exactly why should we penalize Boeing? Do their executive salaries take food off my plate? I personally am unconcerned with executive salaries in publicly held companies.

Competition for people who can run large corporations is stiff and it really comes as no surprise that their compensation packages are grotesque. But if we start regulating it because justice or something - I’m pretty sure the cure will have worse effects than the disease


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I think the system is broken. CEOs are valuable but not mega-millions per year valuable especially since even the ones who are tripping over their genitals bad are also getting mega-millions. Is the CEO really more valuable than 150 engineers?

There are too many boards made up of CEOs rewarding each other regardless of results or focusing on short-term stock market based results rather than building strong companies that will last. It's incestuous and needs to be fixed. But I'm hoping that the market will somehow fix it. If the government fixes it I'm positive that the cure will be worse than the disease.

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Postby UNI88 » Sun May 12, 2019 11:29 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
I think the system is broken. CEOs are valuable but not mega-millions per year valuable especially since even the ones who are tripping over their genitals bad are also getting mega-millions. Is the CEO really more valuable than 150 engineers?

There are too many boards made up of CEOs rewarding each other regardless of results or focusing on short-term stock market based results rather than building strong companies that will last. It's incestuous and needs to be fixed. But I'm hoping that the market will somehow fix it. If the government fixes it I'm positive that the cure will be worse than the disease.

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The market doe fix it. Every single day.


Are you sure? I used to work for a Fortune 500 company - 10+ years ago when the longstanding CEO was promoted to the role they were #2 in their primary industry. Now they're #5. He made approximately $19 million last year. The CEO of the company that was and still is #1 made less than 1/2 of that. The CEO in question is a bean counter who made decisions regarding outsourcing and layoffs that were great for the short-term stock price but were not good for building the company for the long-term. The market has rewarded him not fixed him.

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Re: RE: Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby SeattleGriz » Mon May 13, 2019 4:17 am

Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I heard Seattle salaries are pretty good- I’m relatively sure that being in the middle in Seattle constitutes a living wage

So exactly why should we penalize Boeing? Do their executive salaries take food off my plate? I personally am unconcerned with executive salaries in publicly held companies.

Competition for people who can run large corporations is stiff and it really comes as no surprise that their compensation packages are grotesque. But if we start regulating it because justice or something - I’m pretty sure the cure will have worse effects than the disease


$105K is the bottom of middle class...

You also get to live in Everett or further north. That helps as well.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: President Trump's Cabinet

Postby SeattleGriz » Mon May 13, 2019 4:24 am

Chizzang wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
How many other companies that do what Boeing does are there in Seattle?


How many companies in Seattle hire engineers ..?
maybe 2,500

Why do you ask..?
There are over a 1,000 that hire just software engineers
Nobody else builds aircraft in the Puget Sound. There are some small Lockheed places, but nothing close.
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