Mike Pence, Christian Supremacist?

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Mike Pence, Christian Supremacist?

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Ok...so admittedly, Jeremy Scahill's hair is still on fire over the election and you'll see that at the beginning of the article, but I found the part about Pence's relationship with Erik Prince interesting. I didn't realize the influence the Prince family had in conservative/Christian evangelical politics before Blackwater. It was substantial.

Will Trump's lack of political experience force him to lean more heavily on his VP than other president's have? If so, does the Pence-Prince connection indicate a more interventionist foreign policy? I know Prince feels it's his duty to spread the good word and kill in the name of Jeebus.
MIKE PENCE WAS raised Catholic, in a Kennedy Democrat household, but he has been a devout evangelical since being converted at a Christian music festival in Kentucky while in college. Pence now describes himself as “a Christian, a Conservative, and a Republican, in that order.” Even his political action committee’s name gives off a crusader vibe: Principles Exalt a Nation.
Pence opposed imposing restrictions on no-bid contracting, which may help explain his close relationship to Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater. In December 2007, three months after Blackwater operatives gunned down 17 Iraqi civilians in Baghdad’s Nisour Square, Pence and his Republican Study Committee, which served “the purpose of advancing a conservative social and economic agenda in the House of Representatives,” organized a gathering to welcome Prince to Washington. But their relationship is not just forged in wars. Prince and his mother, Elsa, have been among the top funders of scores of anti-gay-marriage ballot initiatives across the country and have played a key role in financing efforts to criminalize abortion.

Prince has long given money to Pence’s political campaigns, and toward the end of the presidential election, he contributed $100,000 to the pro-Trump/Pence Super PAC Make America Number 1. Prince’s mother kicked in another $50,000. Ironically, Erik Prince — who portrays himself as a mix between Indiana Jones, Rambo, Captain America, and Pope Benedict — is now working with the Chinese government through his latest “private security” firm.

WASHINGTON - OCTOBER 02: Erik Prince, chairman of the Prince Group, LLC and Blackwater USA, participates in a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing on Capitol Hill October 2, 2007 in Washington, DC. The committee is hearing testimony from officials regarding private security contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan. (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images) Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater, participates in a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing on Capitol Hill on Oct. 2, 2007, in Washington, D.C. Photo: Mark Wilson/Getty Images
THE PRINCE FAMILY’S support for Pence, and the Christian supremacist movement he represents, has deep roots.
Erik Prince’s father, Edgar, built up a very successful manufacturing business in Holland, Michigan, and became one of the premier bankrollers of what came to be known as the radical religious right. They gave Gary Bauer the seed money to start the Family Research Council and poured money into James Dobson’s Focus on the Family. “Ed Prince was not an empire builder. He was a Kingdom builder,” Bauer recalled soon after the elder Prince’s death. “For him, personal success took a back seat to spreading the Gospel and fighting for the moral restoration of our society.” Erik Prince’s sister Betsy married Dick DeVos, whose father, Richard, founded the multilevel marketing firm Amway and went on to own the Orlando Magic basketball team. The two families merged together like the monarchies of old Europe and swiftly emerged as platinum-level contributors to far-right Christian causes and political figures.

The Prince and DeVos families gave the seed money for what came to be known as the Republican Revolution when Newt Gingrich became House speaker in 1994 on a far-right platform known as the Contract with America. The Prince and DeVos clans also invested heavily in a scheme developed by Dobson to engage in back-door lobbying activities by forming “prayer warrior” networks of people who would call politicians to advocate for Dobson’s religious and political agenda. Instead of lobbying, which the organization would have been prohibited from doing because of its tax and legal status, they would claim they were “praying” for particular policies.

The Princes consistently poured money into criminalizing abortion, privatizing education, blocking gay rights, and other right-wing causes centered around their interpretation of Christianity. The family, especially Erik, was very close to Richard Nixon’s “hatchet man,” Watergate conspirator Charles “Chuck” Colson. The author of Nixon’s enemies list, Colson was the first person sentenced in the Watergate scandal, after pleading guilty to obstruction of justice in the investigation of the dirty tricks campaign against Daniel Ellsberg, the whistleblower who leaked the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam War. Colson became a born-again Christian before going to prison, and after his release, he started the Prison Fellowship, which sought to convert prisoners to Christianity to counter what Colson saw as the Islamic menace in U.S. prisons. Erik Prince funded this as well and went on prison visits with Colson.

“There’s a coalescing idea that somehow, obviously, God is doing something with Trump.”
All of these figures, bankrolled by the Prince family, are the ideological and theological ascendants of Mike Pence, who called Colson “a dear friend and mentor.” Colson and his allies viewed the administration of Bill Clinton as a secular “regime” and openly contemplated a faith-based revolution. In the early ’90s, Colson teamed up with conservative evangelical minister-turned-Catholic priest Richard Neuhaus and others to build a unified movement. That work ultimately led in 1994 to the controversial document “Evangelicals and Catholics Together: The Christian Mission in the Third Millennium.” (Note: I wrote extensively about this in my book “Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army” and drew heavily on that for this story.) Pence has described himself as “a born-again, evangelical Catholic.”
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If there really was a SATAN
Like walking around in the flesh he would be a lot closer to Mike Pence than Donald Trump

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I think Paul Gilbert captures Mike Pence perfectly here

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kalm wrote:Ok...so admittedly, Jeremy Scahill
Why not just post Alex Jones stuff there Spandos. :roll:
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:Ok...so admittedly, Jeremy Scahill
Why not just post Alex Jones stuff there Spandos. :roll:
If you really equate Scahill to Jones you're far more ignorant than I thought. :lol:
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For God (Pence) or for country (Obama)? Does it really matter why we kill muslins and other mud people?
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Why not just post Alex Jones stuff there Spandos. :roll:
If you really equate Scahill to Jones you're far more ignorant than I thought. :lol:
Both sell books and movies and say stuff that helps sell them... :coffee:
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
If you really equate Scahill to Jones you're far more ignorant than I thought. :lol:
Both sell books and movies and say stuff that helps sell them... :coffee:
Ummm yeah...that's correct. :rofl:

One is the recipient of two Polk Awards for journalism and was a war correspondent in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. He was also the senior editor of the Democracy Now, wrote extensively for the nation, and is a co-founder of the Intercept.

The other rebuilt the Branch Davidian Church and believes Sandy Hook and the Oklahoma bombing were perpetrated by the government.

Just stop.... :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :lol:
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Both sell books and movies and say stuff that helps sell them... :coffee:
Ummm yeah...that's correct. :rofl:

One is the recipient of two Polk Awards for journalism and was a war correspondent in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. He was also the senior editor of the Democracy Now, wrote extensively for the nation, and is a co-founder of the Intercept.
Get a room you Mike Taibbi sycophant :coffee: :twisted:
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The truth is Mike Pence
is probably the last shot the Christian Right has at making abortion a criminal procedure
As this younger generation grows up guys like him will only get this close to the white house by appointment

It'll be interesting to watch frankly
He's going to save us all from our selves because he knows what's best for us


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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Both sell books and movies and say stuff that helps sell them... :coffee:
Ummm yeah...that's correct. :rofl:

One is the recipient of two Polk Awards for journalism and was a war correspondent in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. He was also the senior editor of the Democracy Now, wrote extensively for the nation, and is a co-founder of the Intercept.

The other rebuilt the Branch Davidian Church and believes Sandy Hook and the Oklahoma bombing were perpetrated by the government.

Just stop.... :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :lol:
What's the difference? :?

:lol:

Scahill has had a hard-on for Blackwater for years. :coffee:
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Ummm yeah...that's correct. :rofl:

One is the recipient of two Polk Awards for journalism and was a war correspondent in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. He was also the senior editor of the Democracy Now, wrote extensively for the nation, and is a co-founder of the Intercept.
Get a room you Mike Taibbi sycophant :coffee: :twisted:
Mike Taibbi! :lol:
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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
Ummm yeah...that's correct. :rofl:

One is the recipient of two Polk Awards for journalism and was a war correspondent in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. He was also the senior editor of the Democracy Now, wrote extensively for the nation, and is a co-founder of the Intercept.

The other rebuilt the Branch Davidian Church and believes Sandy Hook and the Oklahoma bombing were perpetrated by the government.

Just stop.... :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :lol:
What's the difference? :?

:lol:

Scahill has had a hard-on for Blackwater for years. :coffee:
Yes, Baldy. Journalists have been known to go in depth on certain subjects in the form of a book while they're covering hundreds of other legitimate news topics on behalf of actual news outlets.

I think it's wonderful that you're paying attention enough to recongnize Scahill mentioning that he'd sourced his own book on the subject. Good job. :clap:
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Both sell books and movies and say stuff that helps sell them... :coffee:
Ummm yeah...that's correct. :rofl:

One is the recipient of two Polk Awards for journalism and was a war correspondent in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. He was also the senior editor of the Democracy Now, wrote extensively for the nation, and is a co-founder of the Intercept.

The other rebuilt the Branch Davidian Church and believes Sandy Hook and the Oklahoma bombing were perpetrated by the government.

Just stop.... :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :lol:
You call THAT a resume? :suspicious:

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These signatures have a 500 character limit?

What if I have more personalities than that?
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Get a room you Mike Taibbi sycophant :coffee: :twisted:
Mike Taibbi! :lol:
Mike, Matt... whatever. You're the one sucking his dick.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Mike Taibbi! :lol:
Mike, Matt... whatever. You're the one sucking his dick.
Whoa! Harsh!

I actually thought about your fear of anything outside the mainstream and Taibbi as I read your reply earlier today. All of those articles about the financial crisis I posted years ago must have really gotten to ya!

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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Mike, Matt... whatever. You're the one sucking his dick.
Whoa! Harsh!

I actually thought about your fear of anything outside the mainstream and Taibbi as I was posting this earlier today. All of those articles about the financial crisis I posted years ago must have really gotten to ya!

:rofl:
:lol: That's one way of putting it Mr Agenda. :kisswink:
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Whoa! Harsh!

I actually thought about your fear of anything outside the mainstream and Taibbi as I was posting this earlier today. All of those articles about the financial crisis I posted years ago must have really gotten to ya!

:rofl:
:lol: That's one way of putting it Mr Agenda. :kisswink:
You got that shit straight! I'm opening minds, one ignorant conk at a time...on a football message board!

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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: :lol: That's one way of putting it Mr Agenda. :kisswink:
You got that **** straight! I'm opening minds, one ignorant conk at a time...on a football message board!

:lol:
Wait, I thought you were a moderate centrist????? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
You got that **** straight! I'm opening minds, one ignorant conk at a time...on a football message board!

:lol:
Wait, I thought you were a moderate centrist????? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I am. Does my comment change that? :coffee:

(Nice to see the rest of the establishment cheer squad show up :thumb: )

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kalm wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Wait, I thought you were a moderate centrist????? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I am. Does my comment change that? :coffee:
I think that begs the question , when are you going to open the minds of ignorant donks?

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Christian supremacist?

Leave it to the leftists to come up with another "-ist" descriptor for those who don't think like them. :lol:
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
I am. Does my comment change that? :coffee:
I think that begs the question , when are you going to open the minds of ignorant donks?

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kalm wrote:I've posted as many anti-Hillary/Democratic establishment articles as anyone.
If by anyone you mean cleets, jelly and hound then you are correct.
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SDHornet wrote:Leave it to the leftists to come up with another "-ist" descriptor for those who don't think like them. :lol:
Funny you say that. I had that exact thought earlier this week.

Why is somebody who said Obama is not my president a racist but somebody who says Trump is not my president expressing their belief?
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