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AZGrizFan wrote:
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I show graphs because they are easier for most people to understand. Would you like to provide a statistical analysis to show that there was, for instance, a "statistically significant" change in the downward trend in the unemployment rate around the end of 2016? If so, feel free. But you won't because it's not there.
This post just proves that you don't comprehend what you're reading. NEVER have I said there was a statistically significant change in the unemployment trend. Never. You pass Trump's accomplishment off as nothing, but it was done in entirely different economic circumstances than the tailwinds afforded Obama for 8 years. It's YOU who won't look past the end of your nose, and as soon as you see an "analysis" (and I use that word very loosely) of the data that supports your TDS you run with it. There's no change in the trend. The change is in the economics UNDERLYING the trend. The miracle is the trend hasn't changed for the worse--like it has with just about every other President not named Trump when faced with the end of a natural business cycle and rising Fed rates and the historic and unprecedented unwinding of the Fed balance sheet that NO president EVER has had to deal with. The CHANGE is that he's gotten us into uncharted waters on several economic and employment indicators--something NO predecessor has EVER been able to accomplish in my lifetime despite these headwinds. You keep arguing about the "statistically significant change" that's not there. No one has ever argued that point. You must just enjoy playing with yourself.
Ok great. We agree that there hasn't been sufficient evidence to say anything has changed significantly. As far as I can tell you are taking the position that things WOULD have changed for the worse if Trump hadn't been elected.

So you look at something like the graph of the unemployment rate over time below and say, "Hey, if TRUMP hadn't gotten elected in 2016 that trend WOULD have changed right there near the end! It's a MIRACLE."

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JohnStOnge wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
This post just proves that you don't comprehend what you're reading. NEVER have I said there was a statistically significant change in the unemployment trend. Never. You pass Trump's accomplishment off as nothing, but it was done in entirely different economic circumstances than the tailwinds afforded Obama for 8 years. It's YOU who won't look past the end of your nose, and as soon as you see an "analysis" (and I use that word very loosely) of the data that supports your TDS you run with it. There's no change in the trend. The change is in the economics UNDERLYING the trend. The miracle is the trend hasn't changed for the worse--like it has with just about every other President not named Trump when faced with the end of a natural business cycle and rising Fed rates and the historic and unprecedented unwinding of the Fed balance sheet that NO president EVER has had to deal with. The CHANGE is that he's gotten us into uncharted waters on several economic and employment indicators--something NO predecessor has EVER been able to accomplish in my lifetime despite these headwinds. You keep arguing about the "statistically significant change" that's not there. No one has ever argued that point. You must just enjoy playing with yourself.
Ok great. We agree that there hasn't been sufficient evidence to say anything has changed significantly. As far as I can tell you are taking the position that things WOULD have changed for the worse if Trump hadn't been elected.

So you look at something like the graph of the unemployment rate over time below and say, "Hey, if TRUMP hadn't gotten elected in 2016 that trend WOULD have changed right there near the end! It's a MIRACLE."

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Again, you don’t read what’s in front of you. This has NOTHING to do with Trump. Zero. Zip. Nada. Just that we are in uncharted waters WRT unemployment in general, unemployment among just about any minority group imaginable, GDP, etc., etc., and it’s been done in the face of economic headwinds few (if any) president have had to face. Is it Trump’s genius? Hell, I don’t know. All I know is HE is the president and it’s happening NOW. You’re the analytics genius. You can go figure whether he’s had any impact on these numbers or not.
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Trump hasn’t yet been the Captain Queeg of foreign policy:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 0e6d4c5ab7


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CID1990 wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: Face it, your generation's voting record (both Dem/GOP) has stolen from future Americans.

None of you have been fiscal conservatives and it's time to pay the piper.

I'm certainly not going to let you continue stealing from not just my generation, but my children's.

You come from a generation of thieves and commies, redistributing wealth from the future to you.
This right here ^^^^^^

is the essence of a true communist.. the kind who supports dictators like Chavez and Castro

They say they are motivated by fairness and altruism but they are liars - it is all about retribution and power

Fortunately they are all outing themselves these days


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Versus the virtuous free market folks who are motivated by liberty and fairness?

:lol:

Read Alpha’s post. You too are not qualified to speak to any of this. Own
a business and quit relying upon a government check or :stfu:

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AZGrizFan wrote:
Of course you would. You're a **** commie and don't want to earn what someone else has been forced to give you.

And I've been on record here multiple times supporting reduced government, cutting spending by 20% across the board, closing large departments like Education, HLS, etc., pulling troops back and closing bases overseas, stopping being the world's policeman, and otherwise reining in the runaway spending that's associated with BOTH parties, because I guarantee you I paid more in federal income taxes in 2018 than you **** MADE, so go peddle that weak-ass **** somewhere else junior. These are the adults talking.
Face it, your generation's voting record (both Dem/GOP) has stolen from future Americans.

None of you have been fiscal conservatives and it's time to pay the piper.

I'm certainly not going to let you continue stealing from not just my generation, but my children's.

You come from a generation of thieves and commies, redistributing wealth from the future to you.
:nod: :nod: :nod:

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mainejeff wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: Face it, your generation's voting record (both Dem/GOP) has stolen from future Americans.

None of you have been fiscal conservatives and it's time to pay the piper.

I'm certainly not going to let you continue stealing from not just my generation, but my children's.

You come from a generation of thieves and commies, redistributing wealth from the future to you.
:nod: :nod: :nod:

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AZGrizFan wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Instead of natural growth with consumer protections, solid social safety nets, paying down debts during good times, and reducing the deficit, conservatives have pumped the economy by massively borrowing against the future and funneling the productivity of this nation to the top.

Maybe when the bill is due and AZ, BDK, and their ilk are old men, we'll pay for these IOUs with their social security, medicare, and 401Ks. I'd vote for that.

And notice how none of them care about the (exploding) deficit anymore. Even their "strong" economy can't make up for the money they steal from the work of future Americans...as long as they get theirs.
Of course you would. You're a fucking commie and don't want to earn what someone else has been forced to give you.

And I've been on record here multiple times supporting reduced government, cutting spending by 20% across the board, closing large departments like Education, HLS, etc., pulling troops back and closing bases overseas, stopping being the world's policeman, and otherwise reining in the runaway spending that's associated with BOTH parties, because I guarantee you I paid more in federal income taxes in 2018 than you fucking MADE, so go peddle that weak-ass shit somewhere else junior. These are the adults talking.
Z...What in the fuck does how much you make compared to Trip have anything to do with this? No one cares. I know you can’t be that insecure. You and Alpha...’I own a business...I make a ton...listen to me...listen...LISTEN!!!!’

Talk about weak as shit.

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∞∞∞ wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Of course you would. You're a **** commie and don't want to earn what someone else has been forced to give you.

And I've been on record here multiple times supporting reduced government, cutting spending by 20% across the board, closing large departments like Education, HLS, etc., pulling troops back and closing bases overseas, stopping being the world's policeman, and otherwise reining in the runaway spending that's associated with BOTH parties, because I guarantee you I paid more in federal income taxes in 2018 than you **** MADE, so go peddle that weak-ass **** somewhere else junior. These are the adults talking.
Face it, your generation's voting record (both Dem/GOP) has stolen from future Americans.

None of you have been fiscal conservatives and it's time to pay the piper.

I'm certainly not going to let you continue stealing from not just my generation, but my children's.

You come from a generation of thieves and commies, redistributing wealth from the future to you.
And the social programs that you support are Ponzi schemes that will steal even more from future generations. Trump's tax cut exasperated an existing problem. You don't fix a spending problem by spending more.

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BDKJMU wrote: Wrong. There's no 'need' for many of these people. There's no need to buy all this **** they want, but don't ultimately need, to live.

We would be better off in the long run if these people spent less, and saved more.
You’re right. The “desire”. Which changes little about what I said.

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I wonder how the economy would be doing if most people lived in 1200 square foot homes, had rotary phones, no cable or internet, and 24” TV’s?

(Fully acknowledging the world might be a better place)
If the majority that were living paycheck to paycheck (I see anywhere from 55% to 78% claiming that) and had little/no savings instead did that, in the long run, the economy would be better off. Especially considering that:
-the majority of the 'want but don't need stuff" isn't made in the US..
-change for those claiming to living paycheck to paycheck from a consumption to a savings based lifestyle wouldn't happen overnight. It would take several decades.
-If those people people were saving now, then the majority of the population would have more $$ to spend upon retirement, which would benefit the economy..

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kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Of course you would. You're a fucking commie and don't want to earn what someone else has been forced to give you.

And I've been on record here multiple times supporting reduced government, cutting spending by 20% across the board, closing large departments like Education, HLS, etc., pulling troops back and closing bases overseas, stopping being the world's policeman, and otherwise reining in the runaway spending that's associated with BOTH parties, because I guarantee you I paid more in federal income taxes in 2018 than you fucking MADE, so go peddle that weak-ass shit somewhere else junior. These are the adults talking.
Z...What in the fuck does how much you make compared to Trip have anything to do with this? No one cares. I know you can’t be that insecure. You and Alpha...’I own a business...I make a ton...listen to me...listen...LISTEN!!!!’

Talk about weak as shit.

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I make less than $35k a year.......but I actually know about how a business runs and the costs commies like Trip are clueless to. They run around saying "pay a working wage" "pay for our healthcare", etc.

Fuck you its OUR business and we will run it how we want if you don't like it start your own business and fail you cowards.

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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
This right here ^^^^^^

is the essence of a true communist.. the kind who supports dictators like Chavez and Castro

They say they are motivated by fairness and altruism but they are liars - it is all about retribution and power

Fortunately they are all outing themselves these days


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Versus the virtuous free market folks who are motivated by liberty and fairness?

:lol:

Read Alpha’s post. You too are not qualified to speak to any of this. Own
a business and quit relying upon a government check or :stfu:

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I don't have to qualify anything to talk about ideology/religion

And I also never said capitalism was concerned with fairness or altruism -... it isn't.

All I'm saying is that social justice is THE lie perpetrated by every single Communist dictatorship or takeover since Karl Marx shat the ideology out - it is the cornerstone of the entire scam - and the people who espouse it aren't about social justice. They are about revenge and power, fueled by personal anger. See Treep's post for your example

:coffee:

BTW - you're once again reliably triggered by critiques of communists. It's like Comcast for Clitz
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I make less than $35k a year.......
Yikes. Those lawyer fees must really be putting the hurt on you. :?

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AZGrizFan wrote:
mainejeff wrote:
:nod: :nod: :nod:

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Noted.
Note all you want, angry Conk.

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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Versus the virtuous free market folks who are motivated by liberty and fairness?

:lol:

Read Alpha’s post. You too are not qualified to speak to any of this. Own
a business and quit relying upon a government check or :stfu:

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I don't have to qualify anything to talk about ideology/religion

And I also never said capitalism was concerned with fairness or altruism -... it isn't.

All I'm saying is that social justice is THE lie perpetrated by every single Communist dictatorship or takeover since Karl Marx shat the ideology out - it is the cornerstone of the entire scam - and the people who espouse it aren't about social justice. They are about revenge and power, fueled by personal anger. See Treep's post for your example

:coffee:

BTW - you're once again reliably triggered by critiques of communists. It's like Comcast for Clitz
Lighten up, Francis. I just poking fun at you and Alpha.

BTW, note the Trip post you were replying only mentioned communism as it pertained to faux capitalists.

Tell us who's triggered again? :lol:
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kalm wrote:
Z...What in the fuck does how much you make compared to Trip have anything to do with this? No one cares. I know you can’t be that insecure. You and Alpha...’I own a business...I make a ton...listen to me...listen...LISTEN!!!!’

Talk about weak as shit.

:rofl:
Has nothing to do with how much I make, but how much I pay in taxes. His "you and your generation are stealing from our babies mouths" bullshit ain't gonna fly. I pay a metric fuck-ton in taxes--probably 10x what he pays in--most of which I'll probably never see any benefit from (SSI, Medicare, etc., I'm looking at you), so he can go pound sand into that Arab vagina of his... :nod: :nod: :nod:
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I make less than $35k a year.......but I actually know about how a business runs and the costs commies like Trip are clueless to. They run around saying "pay a working wage" "pay for our healthcare", etc.
I'm going to guess you make quite a bit more than $35k a year...
My guess is that you "show" about that much in profit

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AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Z...What in the fuck does how much you make compared to Trip have anything to do with this? No one cares. I know you can’t be that insecure. You and Alpha...’I own a business...I make a ton...listen to me...listen...LISTEN!!!!’

Talk about weak as shit.

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Has nothing to do with how much I make, but how much I pay in taxes. His "you and your generation are stealing from our babies mouths" bullshit ain't gonna fly. I pay a metric fuck-ton in taxes--probably 10x what he pays in--most of which I'll probably never see any benefit from (SSI, Medicare, etc., I'm looking at you), so he can go pound sand into that Arab vagina of his... :nod: :nod: :nod:
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I don't have to qualify anything to talk about ideology/religion

And I also never said capitalism was concerned with fairness or altruism -... it isn't.

All I'm saying is that social justice is THE lie perpetrated by every single Communist dictatorship or takeover since Karl Marx shat the ideology out - it is the cornerstone of the entire scam - and the people who espouse it aren't about social justice. They are about revenge and power, fueled by personal anger. See Treep's post for your example

:coffee:

BTW - you're once again reliably triggered by critiques of communists. It's like Comcast for Clitz
Lighten up, Francis. I just poking fun at you and Alpha.

BTW, note the Trip post you were replying only mentioned communism as it pertained to faux capitalists.

Tell us who's triggered again? :lol:
You intentionally miss the point just to have something to debate

Treep’s post was angry and vindictive. THAT is what I was referring to. That he is a communist is already read and well established. I feel no need to point that out other than in the context that it is fueled by anger

Got it now? Or do I need to explain it to you like my 8 year old?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Z...What in the fuck does how much you make compared to Trip have anything to do with this? No one cares. I know you can’t be that insecure. You and Alpha...’I own a business...I make a ton...listen to me...listen...LISTEN!!!!’

Talk about weak as shit.

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Has nothing to do with how much I make, but how much I pay in taxes. His "you and your generation are stealing from our babies mouths" bullshit ain't gonna fly. I pay a metric fuck-ton in taxes--probably 10x what he pays in--most of which I'll probably never see any benefit from (SSI, Medicare, etc., I'm looking at you), so he can go pound sand into that Arab vagina of his... :nod: :nod: :nod:
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I make less than $35k a year.......but I actually know about how a business runs and the costs commies like Trip are clueless to. They run around saying "pay a working wage" "pay for our healthcare", etc.
I'm going to guess you make quite a bit more than $35k a year...
My guess is that you "show" about that much in profit

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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Lighten up, Francis. I just poking fun at you and Alpha.

BTW, note the Trip post you were replying only mentioned communism as it pertained to faux capitalists.

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You intentionally miss the point just to have something to debate

Treep’s post was angry and vindictive. THAT is what I was referring to. That he is a communist is already read and well established. I feel no need to point that out other than in the context that it is fueled by anger

Got it now? Or do I need to explain it to you like my 8 year old?
FWIW..........I LOVE when you explain to Kalm like and 8 year old :coffee:

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I make less than $35k a year.......but I actually know about how a business runs and the costs commies like Trip are clueless to. They run around saying "pay a working wage" "pay for our healthcare", etc.
I'm going to guess you make quite a bit more than $35k a year...
My guess is that you "show" about that much in profit

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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Lighten up, Francis. I just poking fun at you and Alpha.

BTW, note the Trip post you were replying only mentioned communism as it pertained to faux capitalists.

Tell us who's triggered again? :lol:
You intentionally miss the point just to have something to debate

Treep’s post was angry and vindictive. THAT is what I was referring to. That he is a communist is already read and well established. I feel no need to point that out other than in the context that it is fueled by anger

Got it now? Or do I need to explain it to you like my 8 year old?
Yes...that would be helpful, thx!

There are commies everywhere now and I need help ID’ing these bad guys. :thumb:
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
You intentionally miss the point just to have something to debate

Treep’s post was angry and vindictive. THAT is what I was referring to. That he is a communist is already read and well established. I feel no need to point that out other than in the context that it is fueled by anger

Got it now? Or do I need to explain it to you like my 8 year old?
FWIW..........I LOVE when you explain to Kalm like and 8 year old :coffee:

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