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So more JSO and Trip getting pwned on the economics front I see...


...the fact that the Trump '16 win is still paying entertainment dividends is priceless. :lol:

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Hey, I have a little bit of perspective for you guys. I decided to just check out how the Dow Jones Industrial Average has done to this point of Trump's tenure as compared to the same point in the tenure of the first terms of the last two Democrat Presidents.

When Bill Clinton took office in January, 1993, the Dow was at 3,242.00. On May 16, 1995 it closed at 4,435.05. That's a 37% increase.

When Barrack Obama took office in January, 2009, the Dow was at 7,949.09. On May 16, 2011, it closed at 12,548.37. That's a 58% increase.

When Donald Trump took office in January, 2017, the Dow was at 19,732.40. It closed today at 25,862.68. That's 31% increase.

So, no, we are not enjoying unprecedented stock market gains under Trump in the terms (percent growth) that matter. If you'd have invested in a DJIA index fund on the day Obama took office you'd have gained substantially more by 2 years and 4 months later than you would have gained as of today if you'd have done it on the day Trump took office.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Hey, I have a little bit of perspective for you guys. I decided to just check out how the Dow Jones Industrial Average has done to this point of Trump's tenure as compared to the same point in the tenure of the first terms of the last two Democrat Presidents.

When Bill Clinton took office in January, 1993, the Dow was at 3,242.00. On May 16, 1995 it closed at 4,435.05. That's a 37% increase.

When Barrack Obama took office in January, 2009, the Dow was at 7,949.09. On May 16, 2011, it closed at 12,548.37. That's a 58% increase.

When Donald Trump took office in January, 2017, the Dow was at 19,732.40. It closed today at 25,862.68. That's 31% increase.

So, no, we are not enjoying unprecedented stock market gains under Trump in the terms (percent growth) that matter. If you'd have invested in a DJIA index fund on the day Obama took office you'd have gained substantially more by 2 years and 4 months later than you would have gained as of today if you'd have done it on the day Trump took office.
Guess we’ll have to wait and see how the market does in years 7/8 of Trump’s presidency. Since we KNOW how Obama’s last two years went.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Hey, I have a little bit of perspective for you guys. I decided to just check out how the Dow Jones Industrial Average has done to this point of Trump's tenure as compared to the same point in the tenure of the first terms of the last two Democrat Presidents.

When Bill Clinton took office in January, 1993, the Dow was at 3,242.00. On May 16, 1995 it closed at 4,435.05. That's a 37% increase.

When Barrack Obama took office in January, 2009, the Dow was at 7,949.09. On May 16, 2011, it closed at 12,548.37. That's a 58% increase.

When Donald Trump took office in January, 2017, the Dow was at 19,732.40. It closed today at 25,862.68. That's 31% increase.

So, no, we are not enjoying unprecedented stock market gains under Trump in the terms (percent growth) that matter. If you'd have invested in a DJIA index fund on the day Obama took office you'd have gained substantially more by 2 years and 4 months later than you would have gained as of today if you'd have done it on the day Trump took office.
What about the Dow from election day to May 16 for each?

John you have a habit of timing/selecting the parameters of your research so that the results fit your narrative.

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UNI88 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Hey, I have a little bit of perspective for you guys. I decided to just check out how the Dow Jones Industrial Average has done to this point of Trump's tenure as compared to the same point in the tenure of the first terms of the last two Democrat Presidents.

When Bill Clinton took office in January, 1993, the Dow was at 3,242.00. On May 16, 1995 it closed at 4,435.05. That's a 37% increase.

When Barrack Obama took office in January, 2009, the Dow was at 7,949.09. On May 16, 2011, it closed at 12,548.37. That's a 58% increase.

When Donald Trump took office in January, 2017, the Dow was at 19,732.40. It closed today at 25,862.68. That's 31% increase.

So, no, we are not enjoying unprecedented stock market gains under Trump in the terms (percent growth) that matter. If you'd have invested in a DJIA index fund on the day Obama took office you'd have gained substantially more by 2 years and 4 months later than you would have gained as of today if you'd have done it on the day Trump took office.
What about the Dow from election day to May 16 for each?

John you have a habit of timing/selecting the parameters of your research so that the results fit your narrative.

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UNI88 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Hey, I have a little bit of perspective for you guys. I decided to just check out how the Dow Jones Industrial Average has done to this point of Trump's tenure as compared to the same point in the tenure of the first terms of the last two Democrat Presidents.

When Bill Clinton took office in January, 1993, the Dow was at 3,242.00. On May 16, 1995 it closed at 4,435.05. That's a 37% increase.

When Barrack Obama took office in January, 2009, the Dow was at 7,949.09. On May 16, 2011, it closed at 12,548.37. That's a 58% increase.

When Donald Trump took office in January, 2017, the Dow was at 19,732.40. It closed today at 25,862.68. That's 31% increase.

So, no, we are not enjoying unprecedented stock market gains under Trump in the terms (percent growth) that matter. If you'd have invested in a DJIA index fund on the day Obama took office you'd have gained substantially more by 2 years and 4 months later than you would have gained as of today if you'd have done it on the day Trump took office.
What about the Dow from election day to May 16 for each?

John you have a habit of timing/selecting the parameters of your research so that the results fit your narrative.

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∞∞∞ wrote: Face it, your generation's voting record (both Dem/GOP) has stolen from future Americans.

None of you have been fiscal conservatives and it's time to pay the piper.

I'm certainly not going to let you continue stealing from not just my generation, but my children's.

You come from a generation of thieves and commies, redistributing wealth from the future to you.
And the social programs that you support are Ponzi schemes that will steal even more from future generations. Trump's tax cut exasperated an existing problem. You don't fix a spending problem by spending more.

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:**** whiney workers. You guys sure know a lot about running a business for never having the balls to try and run a business before.

I will speak for business owners everywhere by saying **** off and shut up if you don't like it. Do something about YOUR choice to be common

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Another set of results from a quality poll that describes an interesting phenomenon:

https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/u ... hlw22.pdf/

The phenomenon is that people think the economy is good but they think Trump sucks. So we have this:
The nation’s economy is “excellent,” 22 percent of American voters say in a Quinnipiac
University National Poll today, the highest “excellent” rating for the economy. Another 49
percent of voters say the economy is “good.” The total 71 percent for “excellent” and “good” is
the highest total number for American voter attitudes on the economy in almost 18 years.
Yet, among the same respondents who said all that, 57 percent said they disapprove of Trump's job performance vs. 38 percent who said they approve. Also, 54% said they will definitely NOT vote for Trump next time vs. only 31 percent who said that they definitely WILL vote for him.

Just imagine what it's going to be like if the best thing for the country happens and the next downturn that is inevitably going to happen starts happening about a year from now.
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houndawg wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:**** whiney workers. You guys sure know a lot about running a business for never having the balls to try and run a business before.

I will speak for business owners everywhere by saying **** off and shut up if you don't like it. Do something about YOUR choice to be common

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JohnStOnge wrote:Another set of results from a quality poll that describes an interesting phenomenon:

https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/u ... hlw22.pdf/

The phenomenon is that people think the economy is good but they think Trump sucks. So we have this:
The nation’s economy is “excellent,” 22 percent of American voters say in a Quinnipiac
University National Poll today, the highest “excellent” rating for the economy. Another 49
percent of voters say the economy is “good.” The total 71 percent for “excellent” and “good” is
the highest total number for American voter attitudes on the economy in almost 18 years.
Yet, among the same respondents who said all that, 57 percent said they disapprove of Trump's job performance vs. 38 percent who said they approve. Also, 54% said they will definitely NOT vote for Trump next time vs. only 31 percent who said that they definitely WILL vote for him.

Just imagine what it's going to be like if the best thing for the country happens and the next downturn that is inevitably going to happen starts happening about a year from now.
There you go again, rooting for the country to fail.

Fuck off. :nod:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Another set of results from a quality poll that describes an interesting phenomenon:

https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/u ... hlw22.pdf/

The phenomenon is that people think the economy is good but they think Trump sucks. So we have this:



Yet, among the same respondents who said all that, 57 percent said they disapprove of Trump's job performance vs. 38 percent who said they approve. Also, 54% said they will definitely NOT vote for Trump next time vs. only 31 percent who said that they definitely WILL vote for him.

Just imagine what it's going to be like if the best thing for the country happens and the next downturn that is inevitably going to happen starts happening about a year from now.
There you go again, rooting for the country to fail.

**** off. :nod:
Beat me to it. :lol:
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Ivytalk wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
There you go again, rooting for the country to fail.

**** off. :nod:
Beat me to it. :lol:
Again, it's not about the country failing. There are cycles. There will be ups and downs. I'm rooting for the next inevitable down to come at a time that maximizes the likelihood of getting rid of Trump. That would be the best thing.

I wan the country to succeed. And getting rid of Trump would be a success. Wouldn't eliminate the failure represented by having Trump end up as President in the first place. But it'd at least be correcting the mistake.
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Ivytalk wrote: Beat me to it. Image
Again, it's not about the country failing. There are cycles. There will be ups and downs. I'm rooting for the next inevitable down to come at a time that maximizes the likelihood of getting rid of Trump. That would be the best thing.

I wan the country to succeed. And getting rid of Trump would be a success. Wouldn't eliminate the failure represented by having Trump end up as President in the first place. But it'd at least be correcting the mistake.
You are in the minority, stop talking poorly about Americas President. You are going to have 6 more years of him

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Not to go all JSO here but...here's a continuation of a pattern:
Trump hires the best people, praises them.
They act responsibly and then either quit or get fired
Trump admonishes them publicly.

Trump insulting Rex Tillerson
Rex Tillerson, a man who is 'dumb as a rock' and totally ill prepared and ill equipped to be Secretary of State, made up a story (he got fired) that I was out-prepared by Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Hamburg, Germany. I don't think Putin would agree. Look how the U.S. is doing!"

:ohno: Makes you got to think of the man that blows hot and cold like this. He has no loyalty to anyone other than himself. :coffee: If you hire someone who is ill prepared for the role, then they aren't the problem. It's you.
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Ibanez wrote:Not to go all JSO here but...here's a continuation of a pattern:
Trump hires the best people, praises them.
They act responsibly and then either quit or get fired
Trump admonishes them publicly.

Trump insulting Rex Tillerson
Rex Tillerson, a man who is 'dumb as a rock' and totally ill prepared and ill equipped to be Secretary of State, made up a story (he got fired) that I was out-prepared by Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Hamburg, Germany. I don't think Putin would agree. Look how the U.S. is doing!"

:ohno: Makes you got to think of the man that blows hot and cold like this. He has no loyalty to anyone other than himself. :coffee: If you hire someone who is ill prepared for the role, then they aren't the problem. It's you.
Repeatedly, apparently. :lol: :lol:
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Ibanez wrote:Not to go all JSO here but...here's a continuation of a pattern:
Trump hires the best people, praises them.
They act responsibly and then either quit or get fired
Trump admonishes them publicly.

Trump insulting Rex Tillerson
Rex Tillerson, a man who is 'dumb as a rock' and totally ill prepared and ill equipped to be Secretary of State, made up a story (he got fired) that I was out-prepared by Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Hamburg, Germany. I don't think Putin would agree. Look how the U.S. is doing!"

:ohno: Makes you got to think of the man that blows hot and cold like this. He has no loyalty to anyone other than himself. :coffee: If you hire someone who is ill prepared for the role, then they aren't the problem. It's you.
So what’s the “over” on the remaining lifespan of the George-Kellyanne Conway marriage? :lol:

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JohnStOnge wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: Beat me to it. :lol:
Again, it's not about the country failing. There are cycles. There will be ups and downs. I'm rooting for the next inevitable down to come at a time that maximizes the likelihood of getting rid of Trump. That would be the best thing.

I wan the country to succeed. And getting rid of Trump would be a success. Wouldn't eliminate the failure represented by having Trump end up as President in the first place. But it'd at least be correcting the mistake.
You're right. You're rooting for a recession to surely harm millions of Americans, just so the guy YOU don't like isn't president anymore. A guy who has taken this country to rarified air with respect to employment, minority employment, GDP, stock market, wage growth, business & consumer confidence, etc., etc. Let's root for HIM to fail just so he doesn't get reelected.

What a fucking tool you've become. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Not to go all JSO here but...here's a continuation of a pattern:
Trump hires the best people, praises them.
They act responsibly and then either quit or get fired
Trump admonishes them publicly.

Trump insulting Rex Tillerson



:ohno: Makes you got to think of the man that blows hot and cold like this. He has no loyalty to anyone other than himself. :coffee: If you hire someone who is ill prepared for the role, then they aren't the problem. It's you.
Repeatedly, apparently. :lol: :lol:
RIght. He hires the best....until they do their jobs. Then they are dumb. :roll: :lol:
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Ivytalk wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Not to go all JSO here but...here's a continuation of a pattern:
Trump hires the best people, praises them.
They act responsibly and then either quit or get fired
Trump admonishes them publicly.

Trump insulting Rex Tillerson



:ohno: Makes you got to think of the man that blows hot and cold like this. He has no loyalty to anyone other than himself. :coffee: If you hire someone who is ill prepared for the role, then they aren't the problem. It's you.
So what’s the “over” on the remaining lifespan of the George-Kellyanne Conway marriage? :lol:

If Trump is re-elected, two years max. :twocents:
:lol: If Carville and his wife can make it work....maybe the Conways have a shot.
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Ibanez wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: So what’s the “over” on the remaining lifespan of the George-Kellyanne Conway marriage? :lol:

If Trump is re-elected, two years max. :twocents:
:lol: If Carville and his wife can make it work....maybe the Conways have a shot.
Matalin and Carville actually respect each other and keep their different politics out of the limelight. I actually think that Carville is one of the funniest leftish commentators around. The Conways, by contrast, are self-absorbed crybabies.
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Ivytalk wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :lol: If Carville and his wife can make it work....maybe the Conways have a shot.
Matalin and Carville actually respect each other and keep their different politics out of the limelight. I actually think that Carville is one of the funniest leftish commentators around. The Conways, by contrast, are self-absorbed crybabies.
I don't remember their hay-day in the 90s but I do agree with your assessment of the Conway's.
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Ibanez wrote:Not to go all JSO here but...here's a continuation of a pattern:
Trump hires the best people, praises them.
They act responsibly and then either quit or get fired
Trump admonishes them publicly.

Trump insulting Rex Tillerson
Rex Tillerson, a man who is 'dumb as a rock' and totally ill prepared and ill equipped to be Secretary of State, made up a story (he got fired) that I was out-prepared by Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Hamburg, Germany. I don't think Putin would agree. Look how the U.S. is doing!"

:ohno: Makes you got to think of the man that blows hot and cold like this. He has no loyalty to anyone other than himself. :coffee: If you hire someone who is ill prepared for the role, then they aren't the problem. It's you.
At least Ben Carson knows what Oreo is. That guy has neurosurgeon smarts!
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Ibanez wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Repeatedly, apparently. :lol: :lol:
RIght. He hires the best....until they do their jobs. Then they are dumb. :roll: :lol:
Never seen anything like it. :suspicious: :suspicious:
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