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The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Tue May 22, 2018 10:23 pm

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It's a good thing that voters are more concerned with the economy than anything else.


Yes you can troll me on that and I will respond. In the 2016 election it wasn't that a lot of people didn't care about the economy. They did.

In exit polling, when people were asked which was most important between foreign policy, immigration, the economy, and terrorism the economy was by far the one most people chose. 52% said the economy was most important. Terrorism was a distant second at 18%.

The problem is with saying that Trump won because of the economy. That's because, among that 52% who said the economy was most important, Clinton won by 52% to 41%.

Meanwhile, among the 18% who said terrorism was most important, Trump won by 57% to 40%. And among the 13% who said immigration was most important, Trump won by 64% to 33%.

It's not that the economy wasn't an important issue. It's that it's NOT the reason Trump got enough votes to get an electoral college win. What the left calls "Xenophobia" is what got Trump over the top.


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ibanez » Wed May 23, 2018 4:49 am

SDHornet wrote:
Ibanez wrote:I was listening to Trumps news conference this afternoon. We all know he only speaks in hyperbolic phrases - but honestly his conferences are useless. THey provide no information. It's just ramblings.

And this is different than other Presidents?

Oh yes. Bush and Obama actually said things.

When asked about denuclearzation

I do. I have a very strong idea how it takes place, and it must take place. That's what we're talking about, it must take place. So -- but I have a very strong idea and I have very strong opinions on the subject.

I also have very strong opinions that North Korea has a chance to be a great country. And it can't be a great country under the circumstances that they're living right now. But North Korea has a chance really to be a great country.


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby kalm » Wed May 23, 2018 4:55 am

Ibanez wrote:
SDHornet wrote:And this is different than other Presidents?

Oh yes. Bush and Obama actually said things.

When asked about denuclearzation

I do. I have a very strong idea how it takes place, and it must take place. That's what we're talking about, it must take place. So -- but I have a very strong idea and I have very strong opinions on the subject.

I also have very strong opinions that North Korea has a chance to be a great country. And it can't be a great country under the circumstances that they're living right now. But North Korea has a chance really to be a great country.


Trump doesn't speak to deliver information.


He's simply not smart enough to. :nod:

I wouldn't have said that during the presidential primary but it's become evident at this point.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ivytalk » Wed May 23, 2018 6:12 am

kalm wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Oh yes. Bush and Obama actually said things.

When asked about denuclearzation



Trump doesn't speak to deliver information.


He's simply not smart enough to. :nod:

I wouldn't have said that during the presidential primary but it's become evident at this point.

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Re: The Official

Postby JohnStOnge » Wed May 23, 2018 9:06 pm

CID1990 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
Yes you can troll me on that and I will respond. In the 2016 election it wasn't that a lot of people didn't care about the economy. They did.

In exit polling, when people were asked which was most important between foreign policy, immigration, the economy, and terrorism the economy was by far the one most people chose. 52% said the economy was most important. Terrorism was a distant second at 18%.

The problem is with saying that Trump won because of the economy. That's because, among that 52% who said the economy was most important, Clinton won by 52% to 41%.

Meanwhile, among the 18% who said terrorism was most important, Trump won by 57% to 40%. And among the 13% who said immigration was most important, Trump won by 64% to 33%.

It's not that the economy wasn't an important issue. It's that it's NOT the reason Trump got enough votes to get an electoral college win. What the left calls "Xenophobia" is what got Trump over the top.


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Wed May 23, 2018 9:12 pm

We have a really, really corrupt person as President right now. And we have a big problem in that there are people who are supporting him. It's really bad and indefensible at this point.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby BDKJMU » Wed May 23, 2018 9:18 pm

Bad News For Dems: Household Income Hits All-Time High Under Trump … And He's Getting Credit For It

A new report shows that the median household income has climbed 3% since President Trump took office. It's another sign of a strong economy, and at least one poll shows the public credits Trump for the good news. Should Democrats wave bye to the Blue Wave?

Median household income has been steadily increasing under Trump, rising from $59,471 in January 2017 to $61,483 last month, according to Sentier Research, which tracks income on a monthly basis using census data.

This also means that household income is now higher than it's been in at least 50 years — after adjusting for inflation.

This is a sharp turnaround from the Obama years. Sentier data show that median household income was the same when President Obama left office as when he arrived. Under Obama, household incomes continued to fall steeply for two full years after the recession officially ended, and then took four years to make up that lost ground. Incomes then flatlined again, posting no overall gain between August 2015 and December 2016.....”
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CAA Flagship » Thu May 24, 2018 6:07 am

BDKJMU wrote: Under Obama, household incomes continued to fall steeply for two full years after the recession officially ended, and then took four years to make up that lost ground. Incomes then flatlined again, posting no overall gain between August 2015 and December 2016.....”

Fake news. JSO said that Trump's election win was not because of the economy. :coffee:

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ibanez » Thu May 24, 2018 7:08 am

So...we won't be making North Korea great again.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/24/trump-s ... lled-.html

President Donald Trump has canceled his historic summit in Singapore with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un next month.

The meeting, which would have marked the first face-to-face encounter between a sitting U.S. president and a North Korean leader, was set for June 12.

"Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting," Trump wrote in a letter to Kim, which was released Thursday morning.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CAA Flagship » Thu May 24, 2018 7:30 am

Ibanez wrote:So...we won't be making North Korea great again.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/24/trump-s ... lled-.html

President Donald Trump has canceled his historic summit in Singapore with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un next month.

The meeting, which would have marked the first face-to-face encounter between a sitting U.S. president and a North Korean leader, was set for June 12.

"Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting," Trump wrote in a letter to Kim, which was released Thursday morning.

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So if anybody wants to get in on the official WH medallion, now's the time:

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Thu May 24, 2018 9:28 am

CAA Flagship wrote:
Ibanez wrote:So...we won't be making North Korea great again.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/24/trump-s ... lled-.html


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The first thing I thought of was, well - we’ll be hearing about Kim in Beijing again in a couple weeks
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Postby Ivytalk » Thu May 24, 2018 2:22 pm

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The first thing I thought of was, well - we’ll be hearing about Kim in Beijing again in a couple weeks

How many people really expected this love fest to happen on June 12, with no false starts and no saber-rattling bluster? :roll:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Thu May 24, 2018 4:09 pm

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The first thing I thought of was, well - we’ll be hearing about Kim in Beijing again in a couple weeks

How many people really expected this love fest to happen on June 12, with no false starts and no saber-rattling bluster? :roll:


TBH- I think the approach we are on is the right one, but it might not yield much more than the old make nice for food aid angle did

The whole Kim model is built on this national Confucian filial piety run amok model - and if getting Kim to the table for real results is even possible, it is going to require ignoring bluster from the Norks that may be impossible to ignore.

Kim staying in power is predicated him taking a no compromise approach with their mortal enemy - and that means for real progress, it might mean making it look like Kim won.... that’s a non starter for this President
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Re: The Official

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CID1990 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:How many people really expected this love fest to happen on June 12, with no false starts and no saber-rattling bluster? :roll:


TBH- I think the approach we are on is the right one, but it might not yield much more than the old make nice for food aid angle did

The whole Kim model is built on this national Confucian filial piety run amok model - and if getting Kim to the table for real results is even possible, it is going to require ignoring bluster from the Norks that may be impossible to ignore.

Kim staying in power is predicated him taking a no compromise approach with their mortal enemy - and that means for real progress, it might mean making it look like Kim won.... that’s a non starter for this President


The psychological profile on Trump and Kim jong is identical

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby SDHornet » Thu May 24, 2018 6:22 pm

kalm wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Oh yes. Bush and Obama actually said things.

When asked about denuclearzation



Trump doesn't speak to deliver information.


He's simply not smart enough to. :nod:

I wouldn't have said that during the presidential primary but it's become evident at this point.

But he's smart enough to outwit the FBI, DOJ, and CIA on Russian collusion? Hmmm, something doesn't fit.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby SDHornet » Thu May 24, 2018 6:23 pm

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BDKJMU wrote: Under Obama, household incomes continued to fall steeply for two full years after the recession officially ended, and then took four years to make up that lost ground. Incomes then flatlined again, posting no overall gain between August 2015 and December 2016.....”

Fake news. JSO said that Trump's election win was not because of the economy. :coffee:

This. :coffee:







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Postby AZGrizFan » Thu May 24, 2018 6:43 pm

SDHornet wrote:
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He's simply not smart enough to. :nod:

I wouldn't have said that during the presidential primary but it's become evident at this point.

But he's smart enough to outwit the FBI, DOJ, and CIA on Russian collusion? Hmmm, something doesn't fit.

:lol: :lol:

Ah, the leftist conundrum rears its ugly head again... :rofl:
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Re: The Official

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CID1990 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:How many people really expected this love fest to happen on June 12, with no false starts and no saber-rattling bluster? :roll:


TBH- I think the approach we are on is the right one, but it might not yield much more than the old make nice for food aid angle did

The whole Kim model is built on this national Confucian filial piety run amok model - and if getting Kim to the table for real results is even possible, it is going to require ignoring bluster from the Norks that may be impossible to ignore.

Kim staying in power is predicated him taking a no compromise approach with their mortal enemy - and that means for real progress, it might mean making it look like Kim won.... that’s a non starter for this President

To Ivy: Not sure why it was crazy to think that the meeting would happen. But thinking anything would come of it would be crazy.

Trump is actually playing this great.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Thu May 24, 2018 6:46 pm

BDKJMU wrote:Bad News For Dems: Household Income Hits All-Time High Under Trump … And He's Getting Credit For It

A new report shows that the median household income has climbed 3% since President Trump took office. It's another sign of a strong economy, and at least one poll shows the public credits Trump for the good news. Should Democrats wave bye to the Blue Wave?

Median household income has been steadily increasing under Trump, rising from $59,471 in January 2017 to $61,483 last month, according to Sentier Research, which tracks income on a monthly basis using census data.

This also means that household income is now higher than it's been in at least 50 years — after adjusting for inflation.

This is a sharp turnaround from the Obama years. Sentier data show that median household income was the same when President Obama left office as when he arrived. Under Obama, household incomes continued to fall steeply for two full years after the recession officially ended, and then took four years to make up that lost ground. Incomes then flatlined again, posting no overall gain between August 2015 and December 2016.....”
https://www.investors.com/politics/edit ... -optimism/
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The economy thing and Trump getting credit for it is a problem for Democrats and that's why they need to counter it. And they can at least try because they've got the data to do it. This, for example:

https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dsh ... erspective

Last week the Census Bureau released its annual report on household income data for 2016. Last year the median (middle) average household income rose to $59,149, a 4.1% increase over 2015 and a record high. The median average income adjusted for inflation is also at a record high, above the peak of $58,882 set in 2000.


So the article you linked says median household income grew by 3% since Trump took office 1 year and 4+ months ago while the article I linked says that it grew by 4.1% over the shorter time period defined by the last full year during which Obama was in office.

Once again, we have the continuation of an upward trend that was previously in place. Here is a graphic of inflation adjusted median household income over time from https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N:

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As you can see it was at an historical high at the end of 2016. You can see that there was a steep downturn around 2007 and things bottomed out around 2012. Then things started upward again; though with a hiccup around 2014. But since then the trend has been up.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Thu May 24, 2018 6:50 pm

BTW I understand that getting people to realize that the household income thing is another case in which all we've seen during the Trump administration is the continuation of an upward trend is difficult. But I think the Democrats still need to at least try.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ivytalk » Thu May 24, 2018 6:53 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Bad News For Dems: Household Income Hits All-Time High Under Trump … And He's Getting Credit For It

A new report shows that the median household income has climbed 3% since President Trump took office. It's another sign of a strong economy, and at least one poll shows the public credits Trump for the good news. Should Democrats wave bye to the Blue Wave?

Median household income has been steadily increasing under Trump, rising from $59,471 in January 2017 to $61,483 last month, according to Sentier Research, which tracks income on a monthly basis using census data.

This also means that household income is now higher than it's been in at least 50 years — after adjusting for inflation.

This is a sharp turnaround from the Obama years. Sentier data show that median household income was the same when President Obama left office as when he arrived. Under Obama, household incomes continued to fall steeply for two full years after the recession officially ended, and then took four years to make up that lost ground. Incomes then flatlined again, posting no overall gain between August 2015 and December 2016.....”
https://www.investors.com/politics/edit ... -optimism/
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The economy thing and Trump getting credit for it is a problem for Democrats and that's why they need to counter it. And they can at least try because they've got the data to do it.

So JSO wants America to fail, just so his beloved Donks can take over the House. :ohno:
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Postby JohnStOnge » Thu May 24, 2018 6:53 pm

And also BTW you should be ashamed of yourself if you are still a Trump supporter with what's going on right now going on.
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Postby Ivytalk » Thu May 24, 2018 6:56 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:And also BTW you should be ashamed of yourself if you are still a Trump supporter with what's going on right now going on.

I love your “PS, by the way...” posts. They add depth to your body of work on here. :coffee:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Thu May 24, 2018 6:57 pm

Ivytalk wrote:
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The economy thing and Trump getting credit for it is a problem for Democrats and that's why they need to counter it. And they can at least try because they've got the data to do it.

So JSO wants America to fail, just so his beloved Donks can take over the House. :ohno:


Look at the entire post. The point is that the data do not support the idea that there was a change in economic trends due to Trump taking office. Positive trends were already in place. In this case a positive trend in median household income was already in place. Median household income was higher in both absolute and inflation adjusted terms than it had ever been at the end of Obama's last full year in office.

All I'm saying is that the Democrats need to do what they can to get people to understand that there's no basis for saying that Trump is responsible for the positive economic trends since they were all in place before he took office.
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