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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:11 pm

Chizzang wrote:Indiana citizens will now pay $7,000,000 in annual tax incentives for 800 Carrier jobs to stay in Indiana...

:rofl:

"We certainly don't want to take as our guide to creating jobs special tax breaks for a company that earned $7.5 billion in profits last year, got $6 billion in defense contracts, paid its top five executives $50 million, in order to preserve 1,000 out of 2,100 jobs," said Shapiro.

"It's essentially a transfer from the taxpayers of Indiana, who are providing these tax breaks, to the shareholders of United Technology plus those 1,000 workers. That's really not a model for creating jobs across America," he added..."


Yes, which also brings up the point that it wasn't Trump. It was Indiana State government. Trump had no power to do anything at this point and he didn't do anything. People who support him did something as a publicity stunt.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Chizzang » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:15 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Indiana citizens will now pay $7,000,000 in annual tax incentives for 800 Carrier jobs to stay in Indiana...

:rofl:

"We certainly don't want to take as our guide to creating jobs special tax breaks for a company that earned $7.5 billion in profits last year, got $6 billion in defense contracts, paid its top five executives $50 million, in order to preserve 1,000 out of 2,100 jobs," said Shapiro.

"It's essentially a transfer from the taxpayers of Indiana, who are providing these tax breaks, to the shareholders of United Technology plus those 1,000 workers. That's really not a model for creating jobs across America," he added..."


Yes, which also brings up the point that it wasn't Trump. It was Indiana State government. Trump had no power to do anything at this point and he didn't do anything. People who support him did something as a publicity stunt.



This is the new normal...
and we can expect 4 years of this kind of "greatness"

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby BDKJMU » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:48 pm

Chizzang wrote:Indiana citizens will now pay $7,000,000 in annual tax incentives for 800 Carrier jobs to stay in Indiana...

:rofl:

"We certainly don't want to take as our guide to creating jobs special tax breaks for a company that earned $7.5 billion in profits last year, got $6 billion in defense contracts, paid its top five executives $50 million, in order to preserve 1,000 out of 2,100 jobs," said Shapiro.

"It's essentially a transfer from the taxpayers of Indiana, who are providing these tax breaks, to the shareholders of United Technology plus those 1,000 workers. That's really not a model for creating jobs across America," he added..."


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Chizzang » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:59 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Indiana citizens will now pay $7,000,000 in annual tax incentives for 800 Carrier jobs to stay in Indiana...

:rofl:

"We certainly don't want to take as our guide to creating jobs special tax breaks for a company that earned $7.5 billion in profits last year, got $6 billion in defense contracts, paid its top five executives $50 million, in order to preserve 1,000 out of 2,100 jobs," said Shapiro.

"It's essentially a transfer from the taxpayers of Indiana, who are providing these tax breaks, to the shareholders of United Technology plus those 1,000 workers. That's really not a model for creating jobs across America," he added..."


:dunce:


Well nobody seems to be able to confirm the exact number
it's anywhere from 750 to 1,100

Depending on the report and what the final plan is - you do the math and tell me

"allowing Carrier to outsource 1,300 jobs to Mexico in return for 800 jobs remaining in Indiana for economic incentives worth a total of $7 million, negotiated by the vice president-elect, Mike Pence, who for the time being is still the state’s governor"
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Chizzang » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:00 pm

93henfan wrote:Donald Trump: Bringing JSO and Chizzang Together Since 2016


Have you rinsed you mouth out yet, there seems to be some build up on your chin...?

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby BDKJMU » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:02 pm

Chizzang wrote:Indiana citizens will now pay $7,000,000 in annual tax incentives for 800 Carrier jobs to stay in Indiana...

:rofl:

"We certainly don't want to take as our guide to creating jobs special tax breaks for a company that earned $7.5 billion in profits last year, got $6 billion in defense contracts, paid its top five executives $50 million, in order to preserve 1,000 out of 2,100 jobs," said Shapiro.

"It's essentially a transfer from the taxpayers of Indiana, who are providing these tax breaks, to the shareholders of United Technology plus those 1,000 workers. That's really not a model for creating jobs across America," he added..."


The citizens of Indiana aren't paying Carrier 7 million annually. The state of Indiana isn't making any 7 million in annual payments to Carrier. Taking less $ doesn't = paying. Of course in liberals minds it does..

The state of Indiana (state and local) will reap millions a year in taxes from those 1,000 relatively good paying jobs.. Income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc, etc, etc...Plus not be paying out millions in unemployment & social servives & welfare & job training to 1,000 unemployed people (with families maybe around 4k people) most of whom would end up getting lesser paying jobs (full or part time) or no jobs at all, which would mean less tax revenue.

7 million annually for 1k jobs is only 7k per job annually. Leave it to Clitz and JSO to argue that it would be better to let those jobs go to Mexico.. :dunce:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Chizzang » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:05 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Indiana citizens will now pay $7,000,000 in annual tax incentives for 800 Carrier jobs to stay in Indiana...

:rofl:

"We certainly don't want to take as our guide to creating jobs special tax breaks for a company that earned $7.5 billion in profits last year, got $6 billion in defense contracts, paid its top five executives $50 million, in order to preserve 1,000 out of 2,100 jobs," said Shapiro.

"It's essentially a transfer from the taxpayers of Indiana, who are providing these tax breaks, to the shareholders of United Technology plus those 1,000 workers. That's really not a model for creating jobs across America," he added..."


The citizens of Indiana aren't paying Carrier 7 million annually. The state of Indiana isn't making any 7 million in annual payments to Carrier. Taking less $ doesn't = paying. Of course in liberals minds it does..

The state of Indiana (stae and local) will reap millions a year in taxes from those 1,000 relatively good paying jobs.. Income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc, etc, etc...Plus not be paying out millions in unemployment & social servives & welfare & job training to 1,000 unemployed people most of whom would end up getting lesser paying jobs (full or part time) which would mean less tax revenue.


Spin it baby SPIN IT..!!!!

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby YoUDeeMan » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:46 pm

Chizzang wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
The citizens of Indiana aren't paying Carrier 7 million annually. The state of Indiana isn't making any 7 million in annual payments to Carrier. Taking less $ doesn't = paying. Of course in liberals minds it does..

The state of Indiana (stae and local) will reap millions a year in taxes from those 1,000 relatively good paying jobs.. Income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc, etc, etc...Plus not be paying out millions in unemployment & social servives & welfare & job training to 1,000 unemployed people most of whom would end up getting lesser paying jobs (full or part time) which would mean less tax revenue.


Spin it baby SPIN IT..!!!!

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Holy crap, Chizz, you are really out there...as in, another reality.

Not taking taxes from a corporation is not taking money from people's pockets.

Furthermore, if the company moves to Mexico, then there would be ZERO taxes coming in from Carrier.

ZERO, as in, ZERO.

Let's do the easy math for those slow people in the room.

Carrier leaves = 2,100 job lost. Carrier pays ZERO taxes. the 2,100 workers pay no taxes.

Yea, no income for the state.

Furthermore, the taxpayers would pay a LOT of money to provide welfare for those 2,100 people. That is real money that needs to be paid out.

Yea, lost money for the state.

Carrier stays = Carrier pays taxes into the state, and the 1,000 Carrier workers pay taxes on their income and spending. That's real income to the state. But, apparently, to Libs, income to the state is worse than the state having to support unemployed people, because rich people should pay more taxes, and the Libs are willing to eliminate ALL jobs to prove that. :dunce:

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CAA Flagship » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:16 pm

BTW, it is $7 million over 10 years. That's $700k per year. Adjust your math accordingly. That is all.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby YoUDeeMan » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:53 pm

CAA Flagship wrote:BTW, it is $7 million over 10 years. That's $700k per year. Adjust your math accordingly. That is all.


Chizzy. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

No, let all the jobs go away...it won't impact Chizz one bit. :lol:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Chizzang » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:15 am

The exciting part is we get to do this back and forth bickering for at least 4 more years..!!!

and
Washington lost thousands of jobs to South Carolina (thousands) and here were are 4 years later
The No. 1 or 2 ranked economy in the country (Forbes has Washington #2 and Business Insider #1)

Indiana's economy under it's leadership is #37

Their shennaningans used to "keep jobs' is cute but a meaningless gesture
But it is good for the Trump bandwagon and press clippings

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CAA Flagship » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:22 am

Another fact regarding Carrier:
The $7mil was offered early this year by Indiana and it was turned down. So this is not a new offer. It was a change of heart.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

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Chizzang wrote:The exciting part is we get to do this back and forth bickering for at least 4 more years..!!!

and
Washington lost thousands of jobs to South Carolina (thousands) and here were are 4 years later
The No. 1 or 2 ranked economy in the country (Forbes has Washington #2 and Business Insider #1)

Indiana's economy under it's leadership is #37

Their shennaningans used to "keep jobs' is cute but a meaningless gesture
But it is good for the Trump bandwagon and press clippings

:nod:


Bickering?

By bickering, you mean that you toss out some silly, nonsensical, falsehood spread by the tin hat people, and the thinking people laugh while proving you to be the shallow thinking tool.

OK, I'm good with that. :lol:

Say, speaking of wasting millions of dollars of taxpayer money, what was your girl's motivation for those recounts? :rofl: :rofl:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby kalm » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:43 am

Cutting corporate taxes is giving people back money that already belongs to them but unless spending is cut it's also transferring the tax burden from the top down. If spending is cut then government services are reduced which affects the middle and lower classes.

At least until the magical pixie dust of supply side economics brings revenue back up.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

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kalm wrote:Cutting corporate taxes is giving people back money that already belongs to them but unless spending is cut it's also transferring the tax burden from the top down. If spending is cut then government services are reduced which affects the middle and lower classes.

At least until the magical pixie dust of supply side economics brings revenue back up.


Wait, so we don't have a revenue problem...we have a spending problem?

Who knew? :lol:

And let's cut the crap...there is a lot of waste to cut before people start losing services.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ibanez » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:57 am

Chizzang wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
:dunce:


Well nobody seems to be able to confirm the exact number
it's anywhere from 750 to 1,100

Depending on the report and what the final plan is - you do the math and tell me

"allowing Carrier to outsource 1,300 jobs to Mexico in return for 800 jobs remaining in Indiana for economic incentives worth a total of $7 million, negotiated by the vice president-elect, Mike Pence, who for the time being is still the state’s governor"

:thumb:
Fox News yesterday said Carrier was going to keep 1,200 of the original 2,400 that were going to Mexico, 800 of them were union jobs. I think CNN said 1,100.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby kalm » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:42 am

Cluck U wrote:
kalm wrote:Cutting corporate taxes is giving people back money that already belongs to them but unless spending is cut it's also transferring the tax burden from the top down. If spending is cut then government services are reduced which affects the middle and lower classes.

At least until the magical pixie dust of supply side economics brings revenue back up.


Wait, so we don't have a revenue problem...we have a spending problem?

Who knew? :lol:

And let's cut the crap...there is a lot of waste to cut before people start losing services.


Not as much at the state level. When I695 passed in WA, small town police and fire took a huge hit. The City of Cheney literally closed up its Parks and Rec Dep. including the city pool. The state started charging Kalm $35/year to park at fishing public accesses. Why do you hate recreational swimming and fishing, Cluck? :lol:

But yes, there is indeed a ton of stuff to cut! Let's get going and let groups start lobbying for a their piece of the pie and see how far we get.

Cut your obligations then cut taxes. It's the fiscally responsible thing to do. You are into fiscal responsibility, aren't you? :mrgreen:
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Postby YoUDeeMan » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:14 am

kalm wrote:
Not as much at the state level. When I695 passed in WA, small town police and fire took a huge hit. The City of Cheney literally closed up its Parks and Rec Dep. including the city pool. The state started charging Kalm $35/year to park at fishing public accesses. Why do you hate recreational swimming and fishing, Cluck? :lol:

But yes, there is indeed a ton of stuff to cut! Let's get going and let groups start lobbying for a their piece of the pie and see how far we get.

Cut your obligations then cut taxes. It's the fiscally responsible thing to do. You are into fiscal responsibility, aren't you? :mrgreen:


Nonsense...still a lot to cut everywhere.

And hey, I love recreational swimming and fishing. I also happen to pay for those services. Pay to play.

The government should not be into crap that isn't essential. :coffee:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Chizzang » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:25 am

Cluck U wrote:
Chizzang wrote:The exciting part is we get to do this back and forth bickering for at least 4 more years..!!!

and
Washington lost thousands of jobs to South Carolina (thousands) and here were are 4 years later
The No. 1 or 2 ranked economy in the country (Forbes has Washington #2 and Business Insider #1)

Indiana's economy under it's leadership is #37

Their shennaningans used to "keep jobs' is cute but a meaningless gesture
But it is good for the Trump bandwagon and press clippings

:nod:


Bickering?

By bickering, you mean that you toss out some silly, nonsensical, falsehood spread by the tin hat people, and the thinking people laugh while proving you to be the shallow thinking tool.

OK, I'm good with that. :lol:

Say, speaking of wasting millions of dollars of taxpayer money, what was your girl's motivation for those recounts? :rofl: :rofl:


My girl..?

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby kalm » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:44 am

Cluck U wrote:
kalm wrote:
Not as much at the state level. When I695 passed in WA, small town police and fire took a huge hit. The City of Cheney literally closed up its Parks and Rec Dep. including the city pool. The state started charging Kalm $35/year to park at fishing public accesses. Why do you hate recreational swimming and fishing, Cluck? :lol:

But yes, there is indeed a ton of stuff to cut! Let's get going and let groups start lobbying for a their piece of the pie and see how far we get.

Cut your obligations then cut taxes. It's the fiscally responsible thing to do. You are into fiscal responsibility, aren't you? :mrgreen:


Nonsense...still a lot to cut everywhere.

And hey, I love recreational swimming and fishing. I also happen to pay for those services. Pay to play.

The government should not be into crap that isn't essential. :coffee:


I feel the same away about municipal golf courses. :nod: :nod: :nod: :coffee:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby YoUDeeMan » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:50 am

Chizzang wrote:
Cluck U wrote:
Bickering?

By bickering, you mean that you toss out some silly, nonsensical, falsehood spread by the tin hat people, and the thinking people laugh while proving you to be the shallow thinking tool.

OK, I'm good with that. :lol:

Say, speaking of wasting millions of dollars of taxpayer money, what was your girl's motivation for those recounts? :rofl: :rofl:


My girl..?

:suspicious:

You've become delusional with your Trump euphoria


No...you're a Green Guy so she's your Green Girl. :nod:
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kalm wrote:
Cluck U wrote:
Nonsense...still a lot to cut everywhere.

And hey, I love recreational swimming and fishing. I also happen to pay for those services. Pay to play.

The government should not be into crap that isn't essential. :coffee:


I feel the same away about municipal golf courses. :nod: :nod: :nod: :coffee:


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby houndawg » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:13 am

93henfan wrote:Carrier will keep jobs in the US. Apple is contemplating making iPhones in the US.


Trump not even in office yet and already kicking ass.


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They got $7,000,000 and then sent 1100 jobs to Mexico. :coffee:

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

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