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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

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Re: The Official

Postby houndawg » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:25 am

CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:That’s the wrong mindset. It’s also not like we just cut a check. As I mentioned, an important component of Foreign Aid to that region is LE support to fight MS13, and while it’s too early to tell the gang related homicide rates in one of those countries is declining.


At least that’s what those pink bastards on Fox News were saying.


There are legit concerns about foreign aid and its effectiveness and I don’t discount that.


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That aid money for LE support is largely ineffective. The few DEA agents and anti-gang Feds are more effective than the entire Salvadoran police, and they aren’t part of any aid package

Information sharing on criminals is largely automated already, and also already paid for

As with other countries, a lot of aid money winds up enriching the same people who are pushing out the dregs and encouraging them to go north

When reporting on the effectiveness of LE aid, we actually don’t have a metric to describe results. In other words, we talk in terms of how many police were “trained” at our sponsored facilities (expensive and nicer than any police facility I ever trained in) and not actual results, like reductions in gang related violence

I don’t think Trump should manipulate foreign aid by fiat, but I do agree that we should make the awarding of it dependent on good stewardship. Money is nothing if not a lever.


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ivytalk » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:08 pm

Dropping off all ICE detainees in sanctuary cities?

Hey, Gavin Newsom! Guess who’s coming to dinner?

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby css75 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:24 pm

Ivytalk wrote:Dropping off all ICE detainees in sanctuary cities?

Hey, Gavin Newsom! Guess who’s coming to dinner?

:rofl: :rofl:


I really hope this happens, stroke of genius.


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Re: The Official

Postby JohnStOnge » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:46 pm

css75 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Dropping off all ICE detainees in sanctuary cities?

Hey, Gavin Newsom! Guess who’s coming to dinner?

:rofl: :rofl:


I really hope this happens, stroke of genius.


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I can't believe you guys think that is a good move. All it does is reinforce the impression that we have a child as President right now.
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Re: The Official

Postby AZGrizFan » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:53 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
css75 wrote:
I really hope this happens, stroke of genius.


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I can't believe you guys think that is a good move. All it does is reinforce the impression that we have a child as President right now.


The libertarian JSO would have loved this move. Sanctuary cities want ‘em? They got em....
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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:57 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I can't believe you guys think that is a good move. All it does is reinforce the impression that we have a child as President right now.


The libertarian JSO would have loved this move. Sanctuary cities want ‘em? They got em....


You guys might want to re-think the logic of this one. :lol:
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Re: The Official

Postby Chizzang » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:28 pm

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
The libertarian JSO would have loved this move. Sanctuary cities want ‘em? They got em....


You guys might want to re-think the logic of this one. :lol:


Honestly I don't see whats wrong with this
I'm not even sure how you make a bad thing out of it..?

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:29 pm

Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:
You guys might want to re-think the logic of this one. :lol:


Honestly I don't see whats wrong with this
I'm not even sure how you make a bad thing out of it..?

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So many people... so much ignorance


These people are being paroled into the country anyway, to await hearings they never show up for.

Busing them to places where they will be in the loving arms of people who want them is better than just pushing them outside the wire in El Paso and making them fend for themselves... to find their own transport to those cities anyway

I’d like for someone to show me the pitfall at the end of this exercise in logic.


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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:10 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Honestly I don't see whats wrong with this
I'm not even sure how you make a bad thing out of it..?

:coffee:


So many people... so much ignorance


These people are being paroled into the country anyway, to await hearings they never show up for.

Busing them to places where they will be in the loving arms of people who want them is better than just pushing them outside the wire in El Paso and making them fend for themselves... to find their own transport to those cities anyway

I’d like for someone to show me the pitfall at the end of this exercise in logic.


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It’s all fine and dandy when they’re shipped to Seattle but next thing ya know they’re knocking up your sweet 16 year daughter in the suburbs where you really didn’t ask for this....I’ve seen it a hundred times.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby ∞∞∞ » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:06 pm

I like Trump's idea and hope he follows through with it.

Most of the illegal immigrants I know are awesome and productive members of the community.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:08 am

kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
So many people... so much ignorance


These people are being paroled into the country anyway, to await hearings they never show up for.

Busing them to places where they will be in the loving arms of people who want them is better than just pushing them outside the wire in El Paso and making them fend for themselves... to find their own transport to those cities anyway

I’d like for someone to show me the pitfall at the end of this exercise in logic.


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It’s all fine and dandy when they’re shipped to Seattle but next thing ya know they’re knocking up your sweet 16 year daughter in the suburbs where you really didn’t ask for this....I’ve seen it a hundred times.


Do we still need to re-think the logic of this one?

It makes perfect sense to me.


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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:17 am

CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
It’s all fine and dandy when they’re shipped to Seattle but next thing ya know they’re knocking up your sweet 16 year daughter in the suburbs where you really didn’t ask for this....I’ve seen it a hundred times.


Do we still need to re-think the logic of this one?

It makes perfect sense to me.


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Based on this article, I would say yes.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby houndawg » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:27 am

∞∞∞ wrote:I like Trump's idea and hope he follows through with it.

Most of the illegal immigrants I know are awesome and productive members of the community.


They're going to wind up where the work is so it doesn't really matter where they come in. I'd be thrilled with a one-for-one exchange with the local white trash.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ivytalk » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:29 am

∞∞∞ wrote:I like Trump's idea and hope he follows through with it.

Most of the illegal immigrants I know are awesome and productive members of the community.

And you know how many, exactly? :lol:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ivytalk » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:30 am

houndawg wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:I like Trump's idea and hope he follows through with it.

Most of the illegal immigrants I know are awesome and productive members of the community.


They're going to wind up where the work is so it doesn't really matter where they come in. I'd be thrilled with a one-for-one exchange with the local white trash.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:59 am

kalm wrote:
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Do we still need to re-think the logic of this one?

It makes perfect sense to me.


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Based on this article, I would say yes.

https://m.inlander.com/Bloglander/archi ... estigation


So Spokane isn’t a sanctuary city

And?
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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:05 am

CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Based on this article, I would say yes.

https://m.inlander.com/Bloglander/archi ... estigation


So Spokane isn’t a sanctuary city

And?


Depends on how sanctuary city is defined. Spokane appears on the map I looked at in the article. And that's point #1...liberal city council that votes to be a sanctuary city surrounded by conservative suburbs who might be affected as a result. Seattle might be a sanctuary city but if I live in Federal Way, I didn't vote for Seattle City Council or Mayor and yet, it can effect me. It's not as if they're going to be locked up in whatever sanctuary city they're shipped off to.

Which also brings up the whole state's rights thing. And/or the constitutionality of it. As mentioned in the article, there are county sheriffs and prosecutors declining to enforce because it's literally illegal.

Not to mention the logistics and costs of sending someone from Nogales to NYC for the sake of political retribution.

Or the devastating threat of...wait for it....sending latinos to Los Angeles. Oh the horror! How will they handle latino immigrants in LA?

:lol:

As I've stated before...I'm not against the wall or severely cutting immigration. But this is dumb...
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Re: The Official

Postby CitadelGrad » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:49 am

kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
So many people... so much ignorance


These people are being paroled into the country anyway, to await hearings they never show up for.

Busing them to places where they will be in the loving arms of people who want them is better than just pushing them outside the wire in El Paso and making them fend for themselves... to find their own transport to those cities anyway

I’d like for someone to show me the pitfall at the end of this exercise in logic.


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It’s all fine and dandy when they’re shipped to Seattle but next thing ya know they’re knocking up your sweet 16 year daughter in the suburbs where you really didn’t ask for this....I’ve seen it a hundred times.


They'll do much worse than knock up a suburban WASP slut. That's the whole point. The red states haven't been asking for this shit storm, but Seattle, Portland, LA and San Francisco have. Now they have to admit their NIMBY hypocrisy or welcome the illegals with open arms.
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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:48 pm

CitadelGrad wrote:
kalm wrote:
It’s all fine and dandy when they’re shipped to Seattle but next thing ya know they’re knocking up your sweet 16 year daughter in the suburbs where you really didn’t ask for this....I’ve seen it a hundred times.


They'll do much worse than knock up a suburban WASP slut. That's the whole point. The red states haven't been asking for this shit storm, but Seattle, Portland, LA and San Francisco have. Now they have to admit their NIMBY hypocrisy or welcome the illegals with open arms.


1). It was a Tommy Boy reference.

2). Seattle et al are not states...although there’s also a stated rights component.

3). Unless they’re incarcerated, neighboring cities who didn’t ask for it are effected.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby SDHornet » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:49 pm

Illegals should absolutely be transported to sanctuary cities. :nod:

Funny seeing leftist outcry against this move, after all this was the point of sanctuary cities, no? :lol:

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Re: The Official

Postby JohnStOnge » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:02 pm

CID1990 wrote:
These people are being paroled into the country anyway, to await hearings they never show up for.


Actually they show up for their hearings in the majority of instances. And they have a particularly high "show up" rate when they are asylum seekers. I saw a guy on one of the shows...don't remember which one...the other day saying that asylum seekers show up for their hearings more than 90 percent of the time.

The Politifact assessment at https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/s ... rt-data-s/ appears to be consistent with that assessment. Scroll down to the part about asylum seekers.

In any case, it appears pretty clear that the oft repeated claim that most illegal immigrants never show up for their hearings is false.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:04 pm

Bottom line: This idea of shipping illegal immigrants and/or asylum seekers to sanctuary cities is childish. It's the response of a 10 year old. The fact that many adults are saying "YEAH" to this suggests we have a problem with childish behavior in adults in this country.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:16 pm

This article is a little old but the information is important:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/busi ... venue.html

In the inaugural year of the tax cuts — with economic growth accelerating and the jobless rate falling to an 18-year low — federal revenues from corporate, payroll and personal income taxes actually fell.

That’s true whether you adjust revenues and growth for inflation — or not.


This is not surprising. It's what every serious analysis I ever saw reported said would happen. But Republicans in Congress and the President looked everyone in the eye and lied to them with glittering generalities.

This is one thing that has bothered me about Republicans for years. I am not against Tax cuts per se. But I am against this thing where they claim the Reagan tax cuts improved the revenue situation and that people can have their cake and eat it too. You know, we can cut taxes and we will actually get MORE money!

It's a lie. And it's a lie that Republicans have told repeatedly.

Reagan didn't. Reagan referred to tax cuts in the context of cutting government's "allowance." But those who have come after him repeat the lie over and over again.

Tax cuts are fine. But don't tell people you're going to cut taxes and get more money under current circumstances. Yes, it is true that there is a point at which further increasing tax rates would result in lower revenue and there is a point at which taxes could be so high that cutting tax rates would increase revenue. But we are not in that realm.

Don't make flipping claiming that tax cuts won't result in less revenue than there otherwise would have been part of the argument for tax cuts.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby kalm » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:28 pm

JSO is applying reason and historical facts here.

Many of you shoukd try being less tribal. :nod:
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