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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby HI54UNI » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:52 am

Ibanez wrote:So, what do you all think about Trump inviting foreign government to spy on candidates? :coffee:


Contrary to what Trump thinks and says, Christopher Steele wasn't a foreign government or acting as an agent of one. The dossier was the work product of a DC based research firm hired by a conservative media group then the Democrats. Accepting opposition research from a company you hired is acceptable. Trump talking to world leaders, as part of his job is one thing.

Accepting it from a foreign government is another. Not reporting it, to me, is unethical. You think Russia is going to offer damaging information and not expect something in return?

I don't know...just seems highly unethical. Our founding fathers warned us against it - but that doesn't matter since neither party truly gives :twocents: about what our founders thought.


But what if the DC based research firm received the information from a foreign govt?
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby GannonFan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:56 am

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Yes, compassion and gratitude are decent things, but they have nothing to do with one's life choices. America isn't "on the edge". We're not all teetering on collapse. You're buying into hype from a certain political party.


I never said "America is on the edge" or that we're "teetering on collapse", Sparky. We're just having a discussion. My god are you guys triggered. :lol:


Well, you did say this...

kalm wrote:And she’s not alone. There were many truly smart people who went down or barely held on after the Great Recession.

Point being, as I said earlier, the financial cliff edge is way closer than we think. It’s the American way.


You throw out hyperbole then don't be surprised to get hyperbole back.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ibanez » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:57 am

HI54UNI wrote:
Ibanez wrote:So, what do you all think about Trump inviting foreign government to spy on candidates? :coffee:


Contrary to what Trump thinks and says, Christopher Steele wasn't a foreign government or acting as an agent of one. The dossier was the work product of a DC based research firm hired by a conservative media group then the Democrats. Accepting opposition research from a company you hired is acceptable. Trump talking to world leaders, as part of his job is one thing.

Accepting it from a foreign government is another. Not reporting it, to me, is unethical. You think Russia is going to offer damaging information and not expect something in return?

I don't know...just seems highly unethical. Our founding fathers warned us against it - but that doesn't matter since neither party truly gives :twocents: about what our founders thought.


But what if the DC based research firm received the information from a foreign govt?

If FusionGPS did, then that's wrong. If any group does, it's wrong.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby kalm » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:58 am

GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
I never said "America is on the edge" or that we're "teetering on collapse", Sparky. We're just having a discussion. My god are you guys triggered. :lol:


Well, you did say this...

kalm wrote:And she’s not alone. There were many truly smart people who went down or barely held on after the Great Recession.

Point being, as I said earlier, the financial cliff edge is way closer than we think. It’s the American way.


You throw out hyperbole then don't be surprised to get hyperbole back.


My bad. I meant closer for many. We aren’t all going to suffer catastrophic financial problems simultaneously.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:08 am

kalm wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Well, you did say this...



You throw out hyperbole then don't be surprised to get hyperbole back.


My bad. I meant closer for many. We aren’t all going to suffer catastrophic financial problems simultaneously.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby GannonFan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:49 am

kalm wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Well, you did say this...



You throw out hyperbole then don't be surprised to get hyperbole back.


My bad. I meant closer for many. We aren’t all going to suffer catastrophic financial problems simultaneously.


Well, let's hope not, I'm sure that would suck. Crossing my fingers, just in case. 8-)
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby UNI88 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:29 pm

Capitalism Will Save Us -- If Only We Let It

More to the point, capitalism creates the wealth that makes welfare states possible. That's why more and more Europeans are looking at pro-capitalist reforms, such as low taxes, to gin up their economies.


Steve makes some excellent points in defense of capitalism What do you think Kalm?

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby kalm » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:38 pm

UNI88 wrote:Capitalism Will Save Us -- If Only We Let It

More to the point, capitalism creates the wealth that makes welfare states possible. That's why more and more Europeans are looking at pro-capitalist reforms, such as low taxes, to gin up their economies.


Steve makes some excellent points in defense of capitalism What do you think Kalm?


I’ve only read the opening paragraph so far (and I look forward to the rest) but the premise of inserting morality into capitalism from the start, already makes this an uphill battle for old Steve (whom I happen to like). That’s just kooky and unrealistic. But we’ll see.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ivytalk » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:47 pm

kalm wrote:
UNI88 wrote:Capitalism Will Save Us -- If Only We Let It



Steve makes some excellent points in defense of capitalism What do you think Kalm?


I’ve only read the opening paragraph so far (and I look forward to the rest) but the premise of inserting morality into capitalism from the start, already makes this an uphill battle for old Steve (whom I happen to like). That’s just kooky and unrealistic. But we’ll see.


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:51 pm

UNI88 wrote:Capitalism Will Save Us -- If Only We Let It

More to the point, capitalism creates the wealth that makes welfare states possible. That's why more and more Europeans are looking at pro-capitalist reforms, such as low taxes, to gin up their economies.


Steve makes some excellent points in defense of capitalism What do you think Kalm?


I'll just comment on this statement:

Every time the U.S. has enacted big tax cuts, its economy has blossomed. The economy's post-Obama pickup came from the 2017 tax reduction and deregulation.


There hasn't been a post Obama pickup. The economy has continued basically as it was going. Also, there was a definite upshift in the economy that continued through Clinton's tax increases.

Forbes is playing upon the same basic false premise that there has been a notable change in the economy since Trump got elected. And there hasn't been.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby kalm » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:55 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
UNI88 wrote:Capitalism Will Save Us -- If Only We Let It



Steve makes some excellent points in defense of capitalism What do you think Kalm?


I'll just comment on this statement:

Every time the U.S. has enacted big tax cuts, its economy has blossomed. The economy's post-Obama pickup came from the 2017 tax reduction and deregulation.


There hasn't been a post Obama pickup. The economy has continued basically as it was going. Also, there was a definite upshift in the economy that continued through Clinton's tax increases.

Forbes is playing upon the same basic false premise that there has been a notable change in the economy since Trump got elected. And there hasn't been.


The cult of supply side... :nod:
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Re: RE: Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby UNI88 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:13 am

kalm wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I'll just comment on this statement:



There hasn't been a post Obama pickup. The economy has continued basically as it was going. Also, there was a definite upshift in the economy that continued through Clinton's tax increases.

Forbes is playing upon the same basic false premise that there has been a notable change in the economy since Trump got elected. And there hasn't been.


The cult of supply side... :nod:


Which is worse? The cult of supply side or the lunacy of thinking that socialism will work this time?

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Re: RE: Re: The Official

Postby Ivytalk » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:10 am

UNI88 wrote:
kalm wrote:
The cult of supply side... :nod:


Which is worse? The cult of supply side or the lunacy of thinking that socialism will work this time?

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CAA Flagship » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:16 am

JohnStOnge wrote:
UNI88 wrote:Capitalism Will Save Us -- If Only We Let It



Steve makes some excellent points in defense of capitalism What do you think Kalm?


I'll just comment on this statement:

Every time the U.S. has enacted big tax cuts, its economy has blossomed. The economy's post-Obama pickup came from the 2017 tax reduction and deregulation.


There hasn't been a post Obama pickup. The economy has continued basically as it was going. Also, there was a definite upshift in the economy that continued through Clinton's tax increases.

Forbes is playing upon the same basic false premise that there has been a notable change in the economy since Trump got elected. And there hasn't been.

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Re: RE: Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:35 am

UNI88 wrote:
kalm wrote:
The cult of supply side... :nod:


Which is worse? The cult of supply side or the lunacy of thinking that socialism will work this time?

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Are you referring to socialistic policies in mixed economies or...











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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:56 am

kalm wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
Which is worse? The cult of supply side or the lunacy of thinking that socialism will work this time?

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Are you referring to socialistic policies in mixed economies or...











Pol Pot?



Do you mean socialistic policies sprinkled into an otherwise wildly successful supply side cult?

Because that’s what we are- and it doesnt mean we need to sprinkle more socialist sugar into it

because the patient already has diabetes


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Re: The Official

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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Are you referring to socialistic policies in mixed economies or...











Pol Pot?



Do you mean socialistic policies sprinkled into an otherwise wildly successful supply side cult?

Because that’s what we are- and it doesnt mean we need to sprinkle more socialist sugar into it

because the patient already has diabetes


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Don’t worry, the debt will become important again and austerity will be preached the next time a Democrat is in office.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:12 am

kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Do you mean socialistic policies sprinkled into an otherwise wildly successful supply side cult?

Because that’s what we are- and it doesnt mean we need to sprinkle more socialist sugar into it

because the patient already has diabetes


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Don’t worry, the debt will become important again and austerity will be preached the next time a Democrat is in office.


You mean *real* debt?

Or the artificial “debt” that buried the Soviet Union? That debt?

Don’t go conflating Congressional largesse spending with capitalism/socialism

people might think you’re dissembling... or just listening to yourself talk


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Re: RE: Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby UNI88 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:33 am

JohnStOnge wrote:
UNI88 wrote:Capitalism Will Save Us -- If Only We Let It



Steve makes some excellent points in defense of capitalism What do you think Kalm?


I'll just comment on this statement:

Every time the U.S. has enacted big tax cuts, its economy has blossomed. The economy's post-Obama pickup came from the 2017 tax reduction and deregulation.


There hasn't been a post Obama pickup. The economy has continued basically as it was going. Also, there was a definite upshift in the economy that continued through Clinton's tax increases.

Forbes is playing upon the same basic false premise that there has been a notable change in the economy since Trump got elected. And there hasn't been.
John you focus on one small part of the article and focus on it because it's positive about Trump? Pull your head out of the sand, your rectum or wherever it's stuck and look at the bigger picture.

Kalm, nothing to say about your beloved Scandanavian countries moving away from socialism?

The article and Forbes aren't perfect but they make some good points.

CID, the patient already has diabetes comment is killer and I'm stealing it.

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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:05 pm

CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Don’t worry, the debt will become important again and austerity will be preached the next time a Democrat is in office.


You mean *real* debt?

Or the artificial “debt” that buried the Soviet Union? That debt?

Don’t go conflating Congressional largesse spending with capitalism/socialism

people might think you’re dissembling... or just listening to yourself talk


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Fair enough...if you promise to no longer yconflate supply side with long term growth that benefits the middle class. Give me a credit card without restrictions and I can make it rain too. :lol:

For those interested...here’s a far better take than Forbes.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0440636786
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:09 pm

kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
You mean *real* debt?

Or the artificial “debt” that buried the Soviet Union? That debt?

Don’t go conflating Congressional largesse spending with capitalism/socialism

people might think you’re dissembling... or just listening to yourself talk


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Fair enough...if you promise to no longer yconflate supply side with long term growth that benefits the middle class. Give me a credit card without restrictions and I can make it rain too. :lol:

For those interested...here’s a far better take than Forbes.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0440636786


Why do you want me to promise something I’ve never done?

Supply side economics has its problems too - but as with all things a careful consideration of the alternatives makes it pretty clear it is the least of many evils


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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:07 am

CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Fair enough...if you promise to no longer yconflate supply side with long term growth that benefits the middle class. Give me a credit card without restrictions and I can make it rain too. :lol:

For those interested...here’s a far better take than Forbes.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0440636786


Why do you want me to promise something I’ve never done?

Supply side economics has its problems too - but as with all things a careful consideration of the alternatives makes it pretty clear it is the least of many evils


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Oh. I thought it was “wildly successful”?
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Re: The Official

Postby Ivytalk » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:41 am

kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Why do you want me to promise something I’ve never done?

Supply side economics has its problems too - but as with all things a careful consideration of the alternatives makes it pretty clear it is the least of many evils


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Oh. I thought it was “wildly successful”?

You mean you question what you thought? :?

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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:45 am

Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:
Oh. I thought it was “wildly successful”?

You mean you question what you thought? :?

Put a period there, Wilmer.


I was quoting CID...

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