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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:57 am

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Why do you want me to promise something I’ve never done?

Supply side economics has its problems too - but as with all things a careful consideration of the alternatives makes it pretty clear it is the least of many evils


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Oh. I thought it was “wildly successful”?


Compared to the alternatives?

Yes

It has produced literally everything you own


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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:46 am

CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Oh. I thought it was “wildly successful”?


Compared to the alternatives?

Yes

It has produced literally everything you own


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Okay Dokay. :lol:

As you know, I like capitalism. Regulated capitalism with a sprinkle of social safety nets and infrastructure despite the peril that comes with each. That is not supply side.

But I get it. Supply side produced my cheap Chinese crap and expensive danish furniture so I guess I shoukd be grateful.

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Re: RE: Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby SeattleGriz » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:28 am

kalm wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Well, in talking with my former colleagues, they are very busy now.
And in talking with people in the golf business outside of the Palousian wasteland, business is better.
And of course, health insurance companies continue to flourish. :kisswink:


Whoopie anecdotal!

I have a relative about to declare bankruptcy with a 6 figure income due to healthcare expenses. I have friends with similar incomes (which is a ton in the Spokane economy), living paycheck to paycheck.

My parents 30 years ago were retiring in their 50’s, traveling the world, and owned a vacation home on teachers and coaching salaries.

I knew people who worked their way through college. :rofl:

(Not all Trumps fault...and I’m sure he’s working on it)
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Re: RE: Re: The Official

Postby CAA Flagship » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:37 am

SeattleGriz wrote:I worked my way through college with two jobs. Army Reserves and bicycle mechanic.

I worked my way through college with two women. Cheerleader and nursing student.
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Re: RE: Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:01 pm

CAA Flagship wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:I worked my way through college with two jobs. Army Reserves and bicycle mechanic.

I worked my way through college with two women. Cheerleader and nursing student.
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I don’t get it. :?
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Postby SeattleGriz » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:24 pm

CAA Flagship wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:I worked my way through college with two jobs. Army Reserves and bicycle mechanic.

I worked my way through college with two women. Cheerleader and nursing student.
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Ooh. That's sounds better!
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Re: RE: Re: The Official

Postby Winterborn » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:14 pm

kalm wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:I worked my way through college with two women. Cheerleader and nursing student.
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I don’t get it. :?


Have to come at it from the perspective of a gutter. ;)

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Re: RE: Re: The Official

Postby CAA Flagship » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:27 pm

Winterborn wrote:
kalm wrote:
I don’t get it. :?


Have to come at it from the perspective of a gutter. ;)

Heh heh.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:48 am

Dow has best June since 1938. 81 **** years. Another record blown out of the water.

Cue JSOTDS to tell us how it’s simply a continuation of Obama’s economy.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:42 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:Dow has best June since 1938. 81 **** years. Another record blown out of the water.

Cue JSOTDS to tell us how it’s simply a continuation of Obama’s economy.


Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.
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Re: The Official

Postby JohnStOnge » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:00 pm

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AZGrizFan wrote:Dow has best June since 1938. 81 **** years. Another record blown out of the water.

Cue JSOTDS to tell us how it’s simply a continuation of Obama’s economy.


Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.


The way I would put it is that we are basically in the same situation we were in during the previous years of the recovery that started in 2009. One could debate whether or not it's SOMEWHAT better than it would've been otherwise but we are pretty much basically in the same place as we would've been if things had continued in the same way as they've continued since the current recovery began.

The idea that Trump "turned things around" is ridiculous. He took over when things were going in a positive direction and things have continued in a positive direction.

Now, that means I was wrong. I did not think things would continue in a positive direction But, still, that is all that has happened.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby BDKJMU » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:37 pm

June 2017:
US oil output poised to hit 10 million barrels a day next year, breaking 1970 record, EIA says
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/us-oil- ... r-eia.html

Dec 2018:
The U.S. Just Became a Net Oil Exporter for the First Time in 75 Years
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-75-years

June 2019:
U.S. Oil Output Tops 12 Million Barrels a Day for First Time
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-ou ... 00720.html

Thanks Trump :thumb:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby kalm » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:07 am

BDKJMU wrote:June 2017:
US oil output poised to hit 10 million barrels a day next year, breaking 1970 record, EIA says
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/us-oil- ... r-eia.html

Dec 2018:
The U.S. Just Became a Net Oil Exporter for the First Time in 75 Years
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-75-years

June 2019:
U.S. Oil Output Tops 12 Million Barrels a Day for First Time
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-ou ... 00720.html

Thanks Trump :thumb:
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And he's not even an oil man, wow!
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Re: The Official

Postby AZGrizFan » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:39 am

CID1990 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Dow has best June since 1938. 81 **** years. Another record blown out of the water.

Cue JSOTDS to tell us how it’s simply a continuation of Obama’s economy.


Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.


Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so **** stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby css75 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:50 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.


Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so **** stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.


JSO bases his “facts” on one thing only, Orange man bad.


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ibanez » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:52 pm

BDKJMU wrote:June 2017:
US oil output poised to hit 10 million barrels a day next year, breaking 1970 record, EIA says
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/us-oil- ... r-eia.html

Dec 2018:
The U.S. Just Became a Net Oil Exporter for the First Time in 75 Years
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-75-years

June 2019:
U.S. Oil Output Tops 12 Million Barrels a Day for First Time
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-ou ... 00720.html

Thanks Trump :thumb:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ibanez » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:54 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.


Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so **** stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.

Who is to say that the polices Bush and Obama enacted aren’t responsible (even partially) for the current economy?



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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby css75 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:02 pm

Ibanez wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so **** stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.

Who is to say that the polices Bush and Obama enacted aren’t responsible (even partially) for the current economy?

If you want to believe Obama generated great oil production, then you will need to be known as JSO II.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:07 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.


Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so **** stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.


That’s not the point I’m making, AZ

This debate is one of the precious few during this administration that actually has merit in both sides of the argument. I’m undecided because of that.

Deregulation, which I already mentioned, is definitely a tick mark in Trump’s favor. But there are arguably other factors involved and it isn’t a stretch to say that the current economic boom began under Obama, and has been further enhanced by Trump.



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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ibanez » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:57 pm

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Ibanez wrote:Who is to say that the polices Bush and Obama enacted aren’t responsible (even partially) for the current economy?

If you want to believe Obama generated great oil production, then you will need to be known as JSO II.

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I don’t know the facts...yet. I asked a question.

But I’m quite certain our economy is too complex for 1 person to manipulate.

Sure, a Presidents agenda, policies and orders can help create favorable conditions in which business and markets could thrive. But how IMMEDIATE are the effects felt? His immediate are the effects of previous generations policies? It’s a mix. Trumps presence has created a favorable environment. I’m not sure about his tax cuts and tariffs.


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby Ibanez » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:58 pm

CID1990 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so **** stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.


That’s not the point I’m making, AZ

This debate is one of the precious few during this administration that actually has merit in both sides of the argument. I’m undecided because of that.

Deregulation, which I already mentioned, is definitely a tick mark in Trump’s favor. But there are arguably other factors involved and it isn’t a stretch to say that the current economic boom began under Obama, and has been further enhanced by Trump.



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Re: The Official

Postby Chizzang » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:24 pm

CID1990 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Dow has best June since 1938. 81 **** years. Another record blown out of the water.

Cue JSOTDS to tell us how it’s simply a continuation of Obama’s economy.


Arguing that Trump’s economy is a continuation of Obama’s economy might actually be one of the only truly worthy debates of this presidency. There are legitimate data points supporting both sides of it - not just insignificant partisan pablum (like the Japanese using color coded charts to world leaders)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... 7dad421af3

Forbes is decidedly anti Trump, but outside of deregulation by executive fiat, Trump really hasn’t done much in terms of overt economic development.



I would argue that blanket de-regulation was absolutely enough to explain most of the results

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Re: The Official

Postby CAA Flagship » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:55 am

CID1990 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Maybe not from your government shell, but from a businessman’s standpoint I beg to differ. Deregulation. Tax cuts. Pipeline. Industrial jobs.

If he’s so **** stupid and evil (as JSO claims), why has NO OTHER PRESIDENT reached these milestones he keeps breaking?

Lowest unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest African American unemployment in 50+ years
Lowest Hispanic Unemployment in 50+ years
4.5%+wage growth YOY
Longest sustained economic expansion EVER
Best stock market June in 81 years
Best NASDAQ June in 54 years
Highest business confidence reading EVER
US becomes worlds largest oil producer

I mean, the list goes on and on. And these aren’t 5, 10 or 15 year old records that are being shattered. Like records set before most of us were BORN. If it was so easy, Obama could have done it. Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or ANYBODY.


That’s not the point I’m making, AZ

This debate is one of the precious few during this administration that actually has merit in both sides of the argument. I’m undecided because of that.

Deregulation, which I already mentioned, is definitely a tick mark in Trump’s favor. But there are arguably other factors involved and it isn’t a stretch to say that the current economic boom began under Obama, and has been further enhanced by Trump.



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Many categorical results are a continuation of the "rebound" that occurred during the Obama administration. But the last 2+ years have had much different headwinds that would have made the continuation unsustainable without certain actions. And one of the current headwinds (tariffs) is self induced.

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Re: The Official

Postby AZGrizFan » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:21 am

Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
That’s not the point I’m making, AZ

This debate is one of the precious few during this administration that actually has merit in both sides of the argument. I’m undecided because of that.

Deregulation, which I already mentioned, is definitely a tick mark in Trump’s favor. But there are arguably other factors involved and it isn’t a stretch to say that the current economic boom began under Obama, and has been further enhanced by Trump.



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Careful. That sort of logic and common sense is not well received by some.


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Most “continuations” die out in a normal business cycle. To what, pray tell, do we attribute this particular one breaking so many long-standing records? And as Flaggy stated, in the face of Fed headwinds that Obama didn’t have to face?
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Re: The Official

Postby Ibanez » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:35 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Careful. That sort of logic and common sense is not well received by some.


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Most “continuations” die out in a normal business cycle. To what, pray tell, do we attribute this particular one breaking so many long-standing records? And as Flaggy stated, in the face of Fed headwinds that Obama didn’t have to face?

I don't know. I was asking simple questions. We're "deep" into Trumps term so you do have to give his administration credit.

I haven't read enough/looked at enough data.
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