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Re: The Official

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:36 am
by AZGrizFan
css75 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Trip, Trip, Trip. You have missed the **** point. A concentration camp has a specific meaning post WW2. You say concentration camp in 2019 and the implication is to associate something with Nazi Germany. C'mon man, you can't be that ignorant. You're so biased that you have lost all critical thinking and objectivity.

And please, tell me more how Jews, Catholics, Gyspys, homosexuals, POWs and other dissidents weren't killed in concentration camps because they weren't in an extermination camps by our definition. I'm sure all those families of people who died in labor camps and concentration camps will feel better about their murdered relatives fates.

Don't pervert history this way. It's beneath you.

Very well stated Ibanez, Trip, I used to think you were smart but immature, and figured you would grow up and out of idiocy. Now, I am questioning my assessment because what you are stating is beyond stupid.
Trip is getting worse, not better. :lol: :lol: :lol:

He's especially worse during "that time of the month"... :coffee: :coffee:

Re: The Official

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:14 pm
by kalm
AZGrizFan wrote:
css75 wrote:

Very well stated Ibanez, Trip, I used to think you were smart but immature, and figured you would grow up and out of idiocy. Now, I am questioning my assessment because what you are stating is beyond stupid.
Trip is getting worse, not better. :lol: :lol: :lol:

He's especially worse during "that time of the month"... :coffee: :coffee:
Speaking of Midol, are you guys gonna be ok? I’m kind of worried about your level of concern over semantics.

Things that shouldn’t but deeply offend conks...

The list is long and growing daily.

:lol:

Re: The Official

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:33 pm
by Col Hogan
kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Trip is getting worse, not better. :lol: :lol: :lol:

He's especially worse during "that time of the month"... :coffee: :coffee:
Speaking of Midol, are you guys gonna be ok? I’m kind of worried about your level of concern over semantics.

Things that shouldn’t but deeply offend conks...

The list is long and growing daily.

:lol:
Isn’t accuracy important in presenting an argument for or against something???

Are you saying we shouldn’t care about semantics???

Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:01 pm
by Ibanez
kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Trip is getting worse, not better. :lol: :lol: :lol:

He's especially worse during "that time of the month"... :coffee: :coffee:
Speaking of Midol, are you guys gonna be ok? I’m kind of worried about your level of concern over semantics.

Things that shouldn’t but deeply offend conks...

The list is long and growing daily.

:lol:
Words have meaning. And those meanings are very important, especially when we’re discussing issues like human suffering.


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Re: RE: Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:03 pm
by UNI88
∞∞∞ wrote:A concentration camp doesn't have to be a death camp. What a ridiculous argument.

It's a concentration camp. We concentrate people and hold them against their will for long periods of time in sub-par, crowded conditions. They can be released, either to their nations of origin or into the United States until they await trial, but that's not the choice the government is making.

We separate children from parents. We lose track of them. Some die.

America is running concentration camps.
So did Che and they were actually killing people in his. Why is he a hero to the alt-left?

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:44 pm
by BDKJMU
AZGrizFan wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: WTF? Where am I comparing the Holocaust to the concentration camps we have now. Are concentration camps a purely Holocaust term now? :?
These people could have avoided the entire situation. They chose not to. They chose to break our laws. Try entering Mexico illegally and see where that gets you.

Go ahead, we'll wait. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
Not only that, they FREELY turned themselves into BP and ICE. Yet its a concentration camp because they’re ‘concentrated’ and conditions aren’t Club Fed while they’re held for a few weeks waiting to be processed. This is a prime example of someone on the left going full retard with the Trump is Hitler/he’s running concentration camps. But let’s not stop him now, he’s on a roll :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Re: The Official

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:21 pm
by Chizzang
mainejeff2 wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Isn’t accuracy important in presenting an argument for or against something???

Are you saying we shouldn’t care about semantics???
President Trump doesn't think that accuracy is important.

:coffee:

Soon you will learn around here:
only other people are accountable for their words...

:nod:

Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:57 pm
by Ibanez
mainejeff2 wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Isn’t accuracy important in presenting an argument for or against something???

Are you saying we shouldn’t care about semantics???
President Trump doesn't think

:coffee:

FIFY


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:05 pm
by SDHornet
Ibanez wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: They see the ugly side of Trump in themselves and fear confronting it. Take away economic conservatism, there's very little to justify the racism, sexism, lying, corruption, concentration camps, etc.

Rather than taking a moment to think "Maybe that was awful, maybe I'm kinda awful and need to re-evaluate how I see the world," they prefer to dig in and accuse everyone else of misunderstanding them.
Just STFU with the concentration camps. This why you leftists lose so goddamn much and are such a pain in the ass. You make irrational comparisons to stoke fear. Stick to the facts.

I'm in no way defending Trump or his policies. These people aren't not American citizens being rounded up, trucked to facilities where they will not bed fed or cared for; where they'll work in factories or farms as well as be systematically murdered. That is the a concentration camp.

These people are in detention facilities b/c they illegally entered. I don't like the conditions as much as you and I sure as shit don't approve of separating children from families. But the analogy to a concentration camp is intellectually dishonest and you're only using it to further attempt to compare Trump to Hitler. Which again, is intellectually false and dishonest. It's fear mongering. Stick the facts.

Unless I missed it, I didn't see live video from AOCs and the other Dems visits that prove everything they say. I'm just supposed to take their word for it? For the record, the Republicans would have to have a live stream as well for me to believe.

Better yet, have the Democrats go in with Fox News Live and the Republicans with CNN Live and then MAYBE I'll believe what is really happening. So far I have to take the word of BIASED politicians and BIASED media personalities and reporters.


Seems to me the conditions are more like a slum, not a death camp. But, that doesn't help convince the idiots drones of the Democratic Party understand how bad the conditions are.
Excellent post, and spot on. :clap:

Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:07 pm
by SDHornet
bluehenbillk wrote:I don't think Trump is doing this by accident - if there are two issues he wants people talking about into 2020 it's the economy & immigration.
Aaaaannndddd Trump just trolled the donks into filing articles of impeachment. Safe to say Trump is a grand master level troll.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
:notworthy: :notworthy:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(CNN)Democratic Rep. Al Green of Texas on Tuesday introduced his articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump, which will force the House to take up the measure later this week.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics ... index.html

Re: RE: Re: The Official

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:08 pm
by SDHornet
UNI88 wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:A concentration camp doesn't have to be a death camp. What a ridiculous argument.

It's a concentration camp. We concentrate people and hold them against their will for long periods of time in sub-par, crowded conditions. They can be released, either to their nations of origin or into the United States until they await trial, but that's not the choice the government is making.

We separate children from parents. We lose track of them. Some die.

America is running concentration camps.
So did Che and they were actually killing people in his. Why is he a hero to the alt-left?

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He didn't care for the darkies either, kind of ironic that he's a hero to the left.

Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:34 pm
by BDKJMU
BDKJMU wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I'm fine with it when they're systematically attempting to destroy America and turn it into the shitholes they ran from.
Ditto.
The troll by trump is working. Everyone on CNN is in a lather. Watching the anti semitic, anti American from Somalia on CNN basically calling for open borders, talking about children in cages and drinking out of toilets.
Image
Like I was saying.
CNN & MSNBC drop what little semblance of objectivity they have left in saying the word racist 1100 times when referecing Trump's tweets:
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4533 ... nce-sunday
In circus like theatrics on the House floor, the donks vote to overturn House rules so Pelosi can go on record calling Trump/s comments aacist..
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house- ... ump-tweets
Tonight articles of impeachment filed against Trump by donk congressman, possibly forcing a floor vote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... b99d9e19b1
Republican support for Trump rises after racially charged tweets: Reuters/Ipsos poll
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1UB2UD

Trump FTW.. :nod:

Re: The Official

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:48 pm
by kalm
Col Hogan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Speaking of Midol, are you guys gonna be ok? I’m kind of worried about your level of concern over semantics.

Things that shouldn’t but deeply offend conks...

The list is long and growing daily.

:lol:
Isn’t accuracy important in presenting an argument for or against something???

Are you saying we shouldn’t care about semantics???
I don’t know.

From what I’ve observed lately, Trip, AOC, the Democratic Party, and other lefties are Trotsky, Che, Assange, and Mao all wrapped into one. The United States of America is about to take a left turn at Northern European style social democracy and skip directly to full fledged Marxism...without collecting capitalist pig dog $200 dollars or passimg go!!!!

:lol:

Re: The Official

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:31 pm
by CID1990
kalm wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Isn’t accuracy important in presenting an argument for or against something???

Are you saying we shouldn’t care about semantics???
I don’t know.

From what I’ve observed lately, Trip, AOC, the Democratic Party, and other lefties are Trotsky, Che, Assange, and Mao all wrapped into one. The United States of America is about to take a left turn at Northern European style social democracy and skip directly to full fledged Marxism...without collecting capitalist pig dog $200 dollars or passimg go!!!!

:lol:
Except there's one little problem

You would actually oppose us going over to the actual governance practiced by Scandinavian countries - and so would most so called "progressives"

It really is a terrible example and you should stop using it

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydor ... c42a174ad3

Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:06 am
by bluehenbillk
Go back to Maine...

Re: The Official

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:17 am
by kalm
CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
I don’t know.

From what I’ve observed lately, Trip, AOC, the Democratic Party, and other lefties are Trotsky, Che, Assange, and Mao all wrapped into one. The United States of America is about to take a left turn at Northern European style social democracy and skip directly to full fledged Marxism...without collecting capitalist pig dog $200 dollars or passimg go!!!!

:lol:
Except there's one little problem

You would actually oppose us going over to the actual governance practiced by Scandinavian countries - and so would most so called "progressives"

It really is a terrible example and you should stop using it

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydor ... c42a174ad3
You don't pay attention enough to realize I agree with most of that article and that you're actually proving my point regarding labels.

:lol:

BTW...ICE is filling those detainment centers to the tune of 100's of billions in profit to Geo Group and other for-profit prison companies. Those guys play the game well, spending millions on campaign funding. Capitalism...baby! :notworthy:

Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:01 am
by CID1990
kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Except there's one little problem

You would actually oppose us going over to the actual governance practiced by Scandinavian countries - and so would most so called "progressives"

It really is a terrible example and you should stop using it

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydor ... c42a174ad3
You don't pay attention enough to realize I agree with most of that article and that you're actually proving my point regarding labels.

:lol:

BTW...ICE is filling those detainment centers to the tune of 100's of billions in profit to Geo Group and other for-profit prison companies. Those guys play the game well, spending millions on campaign funding. Capitalism...baby! :notworthy:
Oh I pay plenty of attention, klam

Enough to know that those Scandinavian countries are hardly socialist - they aren’t even the “mixed economies” you claim they are

They are good models of governance - but they are nowhere close to what progressives think they are

Anyone who says “medicare for all” while evoking Norway is ignorant of reality

What’s your excuse?


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:36 am
by CAA Flagship
mainejeff2 wrote:First Lady Melania Trump and Mitch McConnell's wife Elaine Chao (our Transportation Secretary) should go back to where they came from. And why are old white men that pretend to care so much about America marrying foreigners? Huh.
Because they are not the racists you hope they would be?

Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:38 am
by Ibanez
Master stroke by Trump. We aren't talking about Epstein anymore.

Re: The Official

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:43 am
by kalm
CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
You don't pay attention enough to realize I agree with most of that article and that you're actually proving my point regarding labels.

:lol:

BTW...ICE is filling those detainment centers to the tune of 100's of billions in profit to Geo Group and other for-profit prison companies. Those guys play the game well, spending millions on campaign funding. Capitalism...baby! :notworthy:
Oh I pay plenty of attention, klam

Enough to know that those Scandinavian countries are hardly socialist - they aren’t even the “mixed economies” you claim they are

They are good models of governance - but they are nowhere close to what progressives think they are

Anyone who says “medicare for all” while evoking Norway is ignorant of reality

What’s your excuse?


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They’re not mixed economies? Do go on...

As for Medicare for all...no systems are exactly alike and this “progressive” would prefer to keep the providers and manufacturers private. I guarantee you that no one on this board has more direct experience in being on the receiving end of government bureaucracy and soul crushing government monopolies.

So I’m afraid you’re still going to have to pay more attention.

Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:02 am
by CID1990
kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Oh I pay plenty of attention, klam

Enough to know that those Scandinavian countries are hardly socialist - they aren’t even the “mixed economies” you claim they are

They are good models of governance - but they are nowhere close to what progressives think they are

Anyone who says “medicare for all” while evoking Norway is ignorant of reality

What’s your excuse?


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They’re not mixed economies? Do go on...

As for Medicare for all...no systems are exactly alike and this “progressive” would prefer to keep the providers and manufacturers private. I guarantee you that no one on this board has more direct experience in being on the receiving end of government bureaucracy and soul crushing government monopolies.

So I’m afraid you’re still going to have to pay more attention.
Their markets are more free than our own, klam - that’s how they pay for the goodies - by keeping their hands off bug business and taxing the individuals at a high rate

Relative to the US, they aren’t mixed economies at all... and you want to claim that they are then maybe you should offer up your definition of a “mixed economy” because I don’t think that term means what you think it means

Go check out the co-payments for medical in Norway and come back and tell me if that’s what you think the BernieBros are clamoring for


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Re: The Official

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:04 am
by kalm
CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
They’re not mixed economies? Do go on...

As for Medicare for all...no systems are exactly alike and this “progressive” would prefer to keep the providers and manufacturers private. I guarantee you that no one on this board has more direct experience in being on the receiving end of government bureaucracy and soul crushing government monopolies.

So I’m afraid you’re still going to have to pay more attention.
Their markets are more free than our own, klam - that’s how they pay for the goodies - by keeping their hands off bug business and taxing the individuals at a high rate

Relative to the US, they aren’t mixed economies at all... and you want to claim that they are then maybe you should offer up your definition of a “mixed economy” because I don’t think that term means what you think it means

Go check out the co-payments for medical in Norway and come back and tell me if that’s what you think the BernieBros are clamoring for


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Hey...I'm all for government keeping their hands off of bug business. :nod:

Referring to things like price controls and monetary policy is one way to describe it. In the vein of this discussion I would be referring to it more from a political/labeling stand point. EG: socialized medicine.

Regarding taxes...similar to healthcare, no two systems are the same so direct comparisons are challenging. Bottom line is that governments find out a way to get their dollars. Unless it's changed much in the past few years, the US ranked in the mid to high 30's in effective corporate tax rate.

Circling back to healthcare, even if there is a disparity in co-pays or deductibles, the overall measurement of producing similar outcomes and spending way less is still there.

I'm not sold on any system. I just know that ours is fucked up beyond belief for way too many people while others are making an absolute fortune off of it. That isn't very efficient.

Of course you already knew all of this. :|

Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:42 am
by Skjellyfetti
"Mixed market" means both private and government ownership of industry... I thought. :?

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest bank in Norway.

The government of Norway owns every hospital in Norway.

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest oil and gas company in Norway... and, the largest offshore oil company in the world.

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest coal mining company in Norway.

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest aluminum and renewable energy company in Norway.

etc.

Not sure how they wouldn't be considered a mixed economy... and, that we'd be considered more of one. :suspicious:

Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:15 pm
by CID1990
Skjellyfetti wrote:"Mixed market" means both private and government ownership of industry... I thought. :?

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest bank in Norway.

The government of Norway owns every hospital in Norway.

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest oil and gas company in Norway... and, the largest offshore oil company in the world.

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest coal mining company in Norway.

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest aluminum and renewable energy company in Norway.

etc.

Not sure how they wouldn't be considered a mixed economy... and, that we'd be considered more of one. :suspicious:
That certainly is a hallmark of state socialism, Reek -

But I’m not too sure the Norwegian government owning its most lucrative businesses is what klam means when he extols the “mixed economy” - part free market, part command economy.


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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:27 pm
by BDKJMU
SDHornet wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:I don't think Trump is doing this by accident - if there are two issues he wants people talking about into 2020 it's the economy & immigration.
Aaaaannndddd Trump just trolled the donks into filing articles of impeachment. Safe to say Trump is a grand master level troll.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
:notworthy: :notworthy:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(CNN)Democratic Rep. Al Green of Texas on Tuesday introduced his articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump, which will force the House to take up the measure later this week.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics ... index.html
And the measure fails 332-95-1.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1UC21E