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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby mainejeff2 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:28 am

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How can everyone be held accountable "equally" if you are basing it on their "gifts" (whatever that means)?


The fact that you don't understand that is the problem.


Help me understand.

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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:37 am

Ivytalk wrote:
CID1990 wrote:So...

A Trump - Tocqueville comparison was inevitable, right?

https://www.city-journal.org/democracy- ... ocqueville

I think there’s some truths in there for everybody


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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:54 am

CID1990 wrote:So...

A Trump - Tocqueville comparison was inevitable, right?

https://www.city-journal.org/democracy- ... ocqueville

I think there’s some truths in there for everybody


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Holy shit is that a tremendous read. Thanks for posting it CID!

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ps Don't tell Citadelgrad that we have a democracy. :lol:
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Re: The Official

Postby LeadBolt » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:37 am

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LeadBolt wrote:
The fact that you don't understand that is the problem.

What a bullshit answer. Be a man and answer the question.


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Ok Jack___, we are all created equal under the law, but we are not all created equal in terms of talents, interests, drive, resources, physical ability, etc.

Gubment is to provide an atmosphere where we are all free to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as each individual sees fit for themselves. It is not the job of gubment to guarantee equal outcome for all.

The gubment should guarantee equal rights for all people, not special rights for any particular group in trying to tip the scales in one direction or another..

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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:42 am

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Ibanez wrote:What a bullshit answer. Be a man and answer the question.


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Ok Jack___, we are all created equal under the law, but we are not all created equal in terms of talents, interests, drive, resources, physical ability, etc.

Gubment is to provide an atmosphere where we are all free to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as each individual sees fit for themselves. It is not the job of gubment to guarantee equal outcome for all.

The gubment should guarantee equal rights for all people, not special rights for any particular group in trying to tip the scales in one direction or another..


Good to see you're backing down from your opening line:

"The left misses the point that gubment doesn't create anything and is funded by taking stuff from those who do."


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Re: The Official

Postby LeadBolt » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:12 am

kalm wrote:
LeadBolt wrote:
Ok Jack___, we are all created equal under the law, but we are not all created equal in terms of talents, interests, drive, resources, physical ability, etc.

Gubment is to provide an atmosphere where we are all free to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as each individual sees fit for themselves. It is not the job of gubment to guarantee equal outcome for all.

The gubment should guarantee equal rights for all people, not special rights for any particular group in trying to tip the scales in one direction or another..


Good to see you're backing down from your opening line:

"The left misses the point that gubment doesn't create anything and is funded by taking stuff from those who do."


:thumb:


As usual, we seem to have a bit of a difference in interpretation.

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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:34 am

LeadBolt wrote:
kalm wrote:
Good to see you're backing down from your opening line:



:thumb:


As usual, we seem to have a bit of a difference in interpretation.


Government creates things, some big, some small, all the time. Government created the Columbia Basin Reclamation Project which the private sector has benefited from in a thousand ways. Government recreated a Spokane River that once again sustains a healthy population of native Redband Rainbow trout.

While government is indeed funded by taxing those who create things, those creators also benefit from those taxes. But government also is also slightly funded by takers (both wealthy and poor) who create practically nothing.

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Re: The Official

Postby Chizzang » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:10 am

LeadBolt wrote:
Ok Jack___, we are all created equal under the law, but we are not all created equal in terms of talents, interests, drive, resources, physical ability, etc.

Gubment is to provide an atmosphere where we are all free to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as each individual sees fit for themselves. It is not the job of gubment to guarantee equal outcome for all.

The gubment should guarantee equal rights for all people, not special rights for any particular group in trying to tip the scales in one direction or another..


As philosophically spot on ^ as this is... and it is
it lacks the Practical, Cynical and Eventual surrendering of the said "neutral atmosphere"

as power concentrates in the hands of one group... and it always does
Feel free to call that group "those that help themselves'' if that makes you feel better

but as it concentrates under one groups control
that group will construct a legal system modified for them exclusively
and not only will it defend them it will embolden them further
for the concentration of even greater power

Epstien / Trump / Clinton / Koch / etc.

They can do whatever the fuck they want with virtually zero accountability
and not because "Things are Equal" as your fantasy Democratic Republic 101 story suggests

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Re: The Official

Postby Ibanez » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:54 am

LeadBolt wrote:
Ibanez wrote:What a bullshit answer. Be a man and answer the question.


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Ok Jack___, we are all created equal under the law, but we are not all created equal in terms of talents, interests, drive, resources, physical ability, etc.

Gubment is to provide an atmosphere where we are all free to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as each individual sees fit for themselves. It is not the job of gubment to guarantee equal outcome for all.

The gubment should guarantee equal rights for all people, not special rights for any particular group in trying to tip the scales in one direction or another..

I'm the jackass? You're the guy that couldn't answer a question without a smartass remark . :roll:
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Re: The Official

Postby AZGrizFan » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:14 am

kalm wrote:
LeadBolt wrote:
As usual, we seem to have a bit of a difference in interpretation.


Government creates things, some big, some small, all the time. Government created the Columbia Basin Reclamation Project which the private sector has benefited from in a thousand ways. Government recreated a Spokane River that once again sustains a healthy population of native Redband Rainbow trout.

While government is indeed funded by taxing those who create things, those creators also benefit from those taxes. But government also is also slightly funded by takers (both wealthy and poor) who create practically nothing.

Disagree?


Disagree. AMERICANS created those things with OUR money. "Government" was just an intermediary.
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Re: The Official

Postby AZGrizFan » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:15 am

Chizzang wrote:
LeadBolt wrote:
Ok Jack___, we are all created equal under the law, but we are not all created equal in terms of talents, interests, drive, resources, physical ability, etc.

Gubment is to provide an atmosphere where we are all free to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as each individual sees fit for themselves. It is not the job of gubment to guarantee equal outcome for all.

The gubment should guarantee equal rights for all people, not special rights for any particular group in trying to tip the scales in one direction or another..


As philosophically spot on ^ as this is... and it is
it lacks the Practical, Cynical and Eventual surrendering of the said "neutral atmosphere"

as power concentrates in the hands of one group... and it always does
Feel free to call that group "those that help themselves'' if that makes you feel better

but as it concentrates under one groups control
that group will construct a legal system modified for them exclusively
and not only will it defend them it will embolden them further
for the concentration of even greater power

Epstien / Trump / Clinton / Koch / etc.

They can do whatever the fuck they want with virtually zero accountability
and not because "Things are Equal" as your fantasy Democratic Republic 101 story suggests



To be fair, he said it's what government "SHOULD DO"...he didn't claim it's what they DID. :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:41 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Government creates things, some big, some small, all the time. Government created the Columbia Basin Reclamation Project which the private sector has benefited from in a thousand ways. Government recreated a Spokane River that once again sustains a healthy population of native Redband Rainbow trout.

While government is indeed funded by taxing those who create things, those creators also benefit from those taxes. But government also is also slightly funded by takers (both wealthy and poor) who create practically nothing.

Disagree?


Disagree. AMERICANS created those things with OUR money. "Government" was just an intermediary.


I’m not sure you quite understand how this all works... :?
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Re: The Official

Postby AZGrizFan » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:43 pm

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Disagree. AMERICANS created those things with OUR money. "Government" was just an intermediary.


I’m not sure you quite understand how this all works... :?


I think it's YOU who fails to understand... :nod: :nod:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby SeattleGriz » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:50 pm

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∞∞∞ wrote:No, like education and healthcare and technology and energy and finance and consulting and hospitality and almost everything that has to do with providing a service.

You know, about 80% of our jobs and annual GDP. :?


Education? Seriously? Do you KNOW what 90% of people in education make?


I know quite a few Aircraft Maintenance Technicians that make over $130K pretty easily. Teachers make about that much, don't they? :D
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Re: The Official

Postby LeadBolt » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:58 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
I’m not sure you quite understand how this all works... :?


I think it's YOU who fails to understand... :nod: :nod:


I refer back to that old "We the people" thing.

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Re: The Official

Postby kalm » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:40 pm

LeadBolt wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I think it's YOU who fails to understand... :nod: :nod:


I refer back to that old "We the people" thing.

https://www.facebook.com/FoxBusiness/videos/vb.12795435237/10153892947535238/?type=2&theater


I like that old “we the people” thing. I’m not sure how it supports your argument though. :?

And your link simply took me to my own Facebook newsfeed. :?
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby css75 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:32 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Education? Seriously? Do you KNOW what 90% of people in education make?


I know quite a few Aircraft Maintenance Technicians that make over $130K pretty easily. Teachers make about that much, don't they? :D


People are paid what the payer thinks they are worth.


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Re: The Official

Postby CID1990 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:16 pm

Chizzang wrote:
LeadBolt wrote:
Ok Jack___, we are all created equal under the law, but we are not all created equal in terms of talents, interests, drive, resources, physical ability, etc.

Gubment is to provide an atmosphere where we are all free to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as each individual sees fit for themselves. It is not the job of gubment to guarantee equal outcome for all.

The gubment should guarantee equal rights for all people, not special rights for any particular group in trying to tip the scales in one direction or another..


As philosophically spot on ^ as this is... and it is
it lacks the Practical, Cynical and Eventual surrendering of the said "neutral atmosphere"

as power concentrates in the hands of one group... and it always does
Feel free to call that group "those that help themselves'' if that makes you feel better

but as it concentrates under one groups control
that group will construct a legal system modified for them exclusively
and not only will it defend them it will embolden them further
for the concentration of even greater power

Epstien / Trump / Clinton / Koch / etc.

They can do whatever the fuck they want with virtually zero accountability
and not because "Things are Equal" as your fantasy Democratic Republic 101 story suggests

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This has nothing to do with your post...

But is it just me, or does the fat cat in that meme look like every "eternal Jew" ever depicted in Der Sturmer in the 1930s?

Maybe our resident eugenicist JSO can tell us more about the clearly ethnic Jewish characteristics of that guy
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Re: The Official

Postby Chizzang » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:23 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
As philosophically spot on ^ as this is... and it is
it lacks the Practical, Cynical and Eventual surrendering of the said "neutral atmosphere"

as power concentrates in the hands of one group... and it always does
Feel free to call that group "those that help themselves'' if that makes you feel better

but as it concentrates under one groups control
that group will construct a legal system modified for them exclusively
and not only will it defend them it will embolden them further
for the concentration of even greater power

Epstien / Trump / Clinton / Koch / etc.

They can do whatever the fuck they want with virtually zero accountability
and not because "Things are Equal" as your fantasy Democratic Republic 101 story suggests

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This has nothing to do with your post...

But is it just me, or does the fat cat in that meme look like every "eternal Jew" ever depicted in Der Sturmer in the 1930s?

Maybe our resident eugenicist JSO can tell us more about the clearly ethnic Jewish characteristics of that guy



1) As long as the Judicial is a branch of Government - then I think it is related
2) Why bring jews into this..?

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby CID1990 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:43 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
This has nothing to do with your post...

But is it just me, or does the fat cat in that meme look like every "eternal Jew" ever depicted in Der Sturmer in the 1930s?

Maybe our resident eugenicist JSO can tell us more about the clearly ethnic Jewish characteristics of that guy



1) As long as the Judicial is a branch of Government - then I think it is related
2) Why bring jews into this..?

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I was prefacing my own reply to you

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby LeadBolt » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:41 am

The "We the people" thing has to do with AZ's point that the gubment is just using our money to fund things, not really creating anything beyond that. In many instances they actually impede things. It's sort of like how lightly regulated and taxed Lyft and Uber run circles around heavily regulated and taxed old-line taxi companies.

With regard to Chizzy's post about wealthy individuals I submit this op-ed that the real folks with influence and power that avoid laws are the left leaning non profits.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lefts- ... opin_pos_3

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby mainejeff2 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:45 am

LeadBolt wrote:Don't get me wrong, we need gubment to provide essential services, protect our interests, to referee, provide a basic safety net and a safe environment where producers can produce and all can pursue their dreams and be held accountable equally according to their gifts.


I'm still trying to understand what you are getting at...???

The bolded part just doesn't make sense. A common worker and the CEO of Boeing should be held accountable equally according to their gifts. WTF does that even mean? You are staying that they should both obey laws & regulations equally......but then something changes according to their "gifts". To me that says that those laws will not be enforced equally because the CEO earns more money & has more power (I'm not sure I would call that a "gift"). So the first part of that...."should both be held accountable equally" goes out the window due to some "gift".....which really is another way of saying that an individual is getting special privileges based on his/her status. Yup.....very Conk-like. :thumb: :roll:

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby kalm » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:12 am

LeadBolt wrote:The "We the people" thing has to do with AZ's point that the gubment is just using our money to fund things, not really creating anything beyond that. In many instances they actually impede things. It's sort of like how lightly regulated and taxed Lyft and Uber run circles around heavily regulated and taxed old-line taxi companies.

With regard to Chizzy's post about wealthy individuals I submit this op-ed that the real folks with influence and power that avoid laws are the left leaning non profits.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lefts- ... opin_pos_3


Yeah...the Humane Society > than Raytheon... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Thankfully, the article is behind a paywall or else I'd be dummer for reading another WSJ op-ed. You're losing badly here, LB. Time to call a time out. :lol:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby LeadBolt » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:03 am

kalm wrote:
LeadBolt wrote:The "We the people" thing has to do with AZ's point that the gubment is just using our money to fund things, not really creating anything beyond that. In many instances they actually impede things. It's sort of like how lightly regulated and taxed Lyft and Uber run circles around heavily regulated and taxed old-line taxi companies.

With regard to Chizzy's post about wealthy individuals I submit this op-ed that the real folks with influence and power that avoid laws are the left leaning non profits.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lefts- ... opin_pos_3


Yeah...the Humane Society > than Raytheon... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Thankfully, the article is behind a paywall or else I'd be dummer for reading another WSJ op-ed. You're losing badly here, LB. Time to call a time out. :lol:


No more like Planned Parenthood > the Koch's. Look at the money rolling into Dems. > than Reps. How do you think that PP gets away with 500,000 murders a year and selling body parts?

It's more like PP kills people, the NRA doesn't, but the spin and lie told by the left is just the opposite.

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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

Postby LeadBolt » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:08 am

mainejeff2 wrote:
LeadBolt wrote:Don't get me wrong, we need gubment to provide essential services, protect our interests, to referee, provide a basic safety net and a safe environment where producers can produce and all can pursue their dreams and be held accountable equally according to their gifts.


I'm still trying to understand what you are getting at...???

The bolded part just doesn't make sense. A common worker and the CEO of Boeing should be held accountable equally according to their gifts. WTF does that even mean? You are staying that they should both obey laws & regulations equally......but then something changes according to their "gifts". To me that says that those laws will not be enforced equally because the CEO earns more money & has more power (I'm not sure I would call that a "gift"). So the first part of that...."should both be held accountable equally" goes out the window due to some "gift".....which really is another way of saying that an individual is getting special privileges based on his/her status. Yup.....very Conk-like. :thumb: :roll:

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Whatever. You have twisted my statement beyond my recognition. The common worker and CEO used their gifts to get where they are, not where they are is their gift. The common worker may have even greater gifts than the CEO, but choose to use them in a different way, hence pursued their dreams differently.


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