The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

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AZGrizFan wrote:
UNI88 wrote:

I spent 5 years substitute teaching and while I definitely experienced teachers who got into it because they thought it would be easy it was nowhere near 90%. Most teachers want to do a good job but are handcuffed by the system (too rigid of a curriculum, too much testing rather than teaching, too little discipline/consequences, too large of class sizes, etc.).

Teachers in strong union districts can make a really good salary but it's based on longevity not the quality of their teaching. Starting salaries for teachers tend to be low so the profession doesn't always attract the best candidates. The impact of longevity on salary makes moving to a new district a tougher decision which is too bad because teaching can burn you out and a change of scenery could reinvigorate an experienced teacher.

Fiver is right about the varying salaries. History majors don't have as many options as Math and Science majors. From my experience teachers also spend a lot of their own money on their classroom and their students (especially in lower-income districts) and they can spend their evenings grading papers and preparing lessons for the next day or week (I know a lot of other salaried jobs require evening and weekend work). And that $50K might project out to $63K in a full year but a teacher that wants to work over the summer to make extra money is probably looking at a job in the $10-20/hour range depending on where they live.

Education is critical to the long-term success of the US and it's gotten worse over the last few decades so we need to look outside the box on how to fix it. Throwing money at the problem without really changing anything isn't the solution but strategically investing money in the right ways might be. Let's let state and local governments try different things like what Fiver talked about and see what works rather than having the federal government dictate a one-size-fits-all solution.
Agreed. And I made the 90% number up. Also the 2nd 90% number was also made up. :coffee: :coffee:
No shit? We thought it was based on your unwavering gratitude for a challenging profession. :lol:
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Re: The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

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Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Because our culture is sour and no amount of money thrown at education is going to change it.

Public schools are suffering for a large number of reasons and lack of money is WAY down on the totem pole there.

But I do think teachers should be paid more in most places.


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That's because they don't praise Jeebus in the public schools.

Filthy heathens.
I was thinking more of that other American culture .... you know .... the one where people value on average about 1342 things before primary education

How we will fight tooth and nail for our kids to go to a good high school or get into a good college so they can get Cs in gender studies

It is one of the things that I love so much about most of east Asia. The value they place on actual education ... how they didn’t own us 200 years ago is one of the greatest accidents of human history


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Everything is better with Montana.

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Ibanez wrote:
SDHornet wrote: I have plenty of teacher friends who immediately STFU whenever I point this out when they are bitching about their pay. :lol: :dunce:
I don't know about $80-90k but teachers should be paid more. More money should be put into schools. And it should be easier to oust bad teachers and retain/promote the good ones. Why wouldn't we want to give the majority of kids in this country the best education?

I understand there are good/bad districts. I understand there are LRRs that actually prevent bad teachers from being fired or actually prevent the good ones from doing their jobs better. Education is a local issue. Not National, IMO. What's good for SC might be detrimental for Montana.



And i think we all agree that whatever Alabama and Mississippi are doing should NOT be copied anywhere else. :mrgreen:

Nor, should California.


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Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Because our culture is sour and no amount of money thrown at education is going to change it.

Public schools are suffering for a large number of reasons and lack of money is WAY down on the totem pole there.

But I do think teachers should be paid more in most places.


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That's because they don't praise Jeebus in the public schools.

Filthy heathens.

When they kicked him out of school, the decliNe started.

Why do you talk about Jesus so much if you are an atheist?


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css75 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
That's because they don't praise Jeebus in the public schools.

Filthy heathens.

When they kicked him out of school, the decliNe started.

Why do you talk about Jesus so much if you are an atheist?


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I’m not an atheist so I don’t know what you’re taking about.


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My current plan is to retire in WV, but it'll be deeper into Almost Heaven than Harper's Ferry.

Btw, I was just there in June with my kiddos and the traffic was a bitch. That alarmed me. I don't want to be near people when I retire. I hate people.
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Ibanez wrote:
css75 wrote:

When they kicked him out of school, the decliNe started.

Why do you talk about Jesus so much if you are an atheist?


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I’m not an atheist so I don’t know what you’re taking about.


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Well, you sure aren’t a fan of Jesus.


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css75 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: I’m not an atheist so I don’t know what you’re taking about.


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Well, you sure aren’t a fan of my Jesus.


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css75 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: I’m not an atheist so I don’t know what you’re taking about.


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Well, you sure aren’t a fan of Jesus.


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That makes me an atheist because I don’t believe in something you do? Wow. That sounds like something a liberal would say. For shame.


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Ibanez wrote:
css75 wrote:
Well, you sure aren’t a fan of Jesus.


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That makes me an atheist because I don’t believe in something you do? Wow. That sounds like something a liberal would say. For shame.


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css75 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: I’m not an atheist so I don’t know what you’re taking about.


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Ibanez wrote:
css75 wrote:
Well, you sure aren’t a fan of Jesus.


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That makes me an atheist because I don’t believe in something you do? Wow. That sounds like something a liberal would say. For shame.
The great thing about Religion is they they are all basically total bullsh!t...
nobody really knows - a lot of folks pretend to know - but nobody knows

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I've explained my beliefs to people and gotten some hearty laughs
the whole thing is just whatever makes you feel good

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Chizzang wrote:
Ibanez wrote: That makes me an atheist because I don’t believe in something you do? Wow. That sounds like something a liberal would say. For shame.
The great thing about Religion is they they are all basically total bullsh!t...
nobody really knows - a lot of folks pretend to know - but nobody knows

:lol:

I've explained my beliefs to people and gotten some hearty laughs
the whole thing is just whatever makes you feel good

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Chizzang wrote:
Ibanez wrote: That makes me an atheist because I don’t believe in something you do? Wow. That sounds like something a liberal would say. For shame.
The great thing about Religion is they they are all basically total bullsh!t...
nobody really knows - a lot of folks pretend to know - but nobody knows

:lol:

I've explained my beliefs to people and gotten some hearty laughs
the whole thing is just whatever makes you feel good

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Wait, so if no one knows, how do you know that they're BS? You're contradicting yourself in just one sentence.
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GannonFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
The great thing about Religion is they they are all basically total bullsh!t...
nobody really knows - a lot of folks pretend to know - but nobody knows

:lol:

I've explained my beliefs to people and gotten some hearty laughs
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Wait, so if no one knows, how do you know that they're BS? You're contradicting yourself in just one sentence.
:lol:

The implication of my statement is "opinion"
I make no claims as a matter of fact - I know that's confusing for you
but my closing statement sums it up pretty clearly as opinion (see how that works?)

1) Make a statement
2) follow it with a strong observation
3) Use a personal example
4) close with a summary

You'll want to write that down since you find it so baffling
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Winterborn wrote:
93henfan wrote:
My current plan is to retire in WV, but it'll be deeper into Almost Heaven than Harper's Ferry.

Btw, I was just there in June with my kiddos and the traffic was a bitch. That alarmed me. I don't want to be near people when I retire. I hate people.
You would fit in just right out in my neck of the prairie.

Plenty of space and next to no people. :D

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Thats awesome! They don't know how much fun we have out in the fly over...

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kalm wrote:
Winterborn wrote:
You would fit in just right out in my neck of the prairie.

Plenty of space and next to no people. :D

Occasionally we do stuff like this for fun.

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/tannerit ... uote-ever/
Thats awesome! They don't know how much fun we have out in the fly over...

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kalm wrote:
Winterborn wrote:
You would fit in just right out in my neck of the prairie.

Plenty of space and next to no people. :D

Occasionally we do stuff like this for fun.

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/tannerit ... uote-ever/
Thats awesome! They don't know how much fun we have out in the fly over...

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93henfan wrote:
On the east coast, that much tannerite or that much large machinery would make you a domestic terrorist and land you in federal PMITA prison.
Some people have no concept of fun.... :ohno:

Tannerite is a good tool for removing stumps or beaver dams. :thumb:
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Winterborn wrote:
93henfan wrote:
On the east coast, that much tannerite or that much large machinery would make you a domestic terrorist and land you in federal PMITA prison.
Some people have no concept of fun.... :ohno:

Tannerite is a good tool for removing stumps or beaver dams. :thumb:
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93henfan wrote:
Winterborn wrote:
Some people have no concept of fun.... :ohno:

Tannerite is a good tool for removing stumps or beaver dams. :thumb:
You can't even own a suppressor in Delaware, even if you have the stamp. Reason #5,873 while I'll be relocating when I retire.

Apparently preservation of hearing is dangerous.
It's for the environment. It helps reduce (noise) pollution.

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Nobody cares about it day to day but here's a reminder of the fact that the Republicans were full of it when they were saying the tax cut would not cause budget issues:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/us-bu ... in-october
Revenues in October fell 2.8% to $245.2 billion from the same month a year ago. One revenue category that showed a big increase was tariffs on imports, which totaled $8 billion, up 39% from a year ago.
I downloaded the Excel file available at https://fiscal.treasury.gov/reports-sta ... rrent.html. I did a line of best fit thing to get the trend for the start of the Obama Administration through when the tax cut became effective. I calculated that if the trend had simply continued we'd have gotten about $574 billion more in revenues through October 2019 than we did.

SURPRISE: The tax cuts are associated with a decline in the rate of revenue growth. That's the same thing that happened with the Reagan tax cuts. But I'm sure Republicans will keep telling people the same old thing every time.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
I downloaded the Excel file available at https://fiscal.treasury.gov/reports-sta ... rrent.html. I did a line of best fit thing to get the trend for the start of the Obama Administration through when the tax cut became effective. I calculated that if the trend had simply continued we'd have gotten about $574 billion more in revenues through October 2019 than we did.
Dude, you are a flat out wacko. You didn't even include the r squared value so how do we even know if your line was legit? :rofl:
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