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AshevilleApp wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:30 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:19 pm
How does Rocky Balboa greet a Jewish person?

Maybe?

But nah, just a Trump verbal gaffe while reading his script. (I hope there isn't a Trump verbal gaffe thread that I should have put this in.)

There is but don't worry about it. The anti-Trumpers aren't nearly as rabid and obsessive as the Uumpa Truumpas so it's probably fallen off the front page.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:18 pm

AshevilleApp wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:30 pm

Maybe?

But nah, just a Trump verbal gaffe while reading his script. (I hope there isn't a Trump verbal gaffe thread that I should have put this in.)

There is but don't worry about it. The anti-Trumpers aren't nearly as rabid and obsessive as the Uumpa Truumpas so it's probably fallen off the front page.

You want to see rabid, go make a contrary comment on a SJW post on twitter.

Then stand the fuck by.....

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:45 pm

Baldy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:32 am Oops...sorry,John St. Donk

May sees biggest jobs increase ever of 2.5 million as economy starts to recover from coronavirus

After biggest job increase ever in May, June’s job increase is BIGGEST EVER AGAIN, blowing May out of the water.

U.S. economy adds 4.8 million jobs in June, vs expected increase of 2.9 million

Another yet a 3rd straight month of massive jobs gains..
Unemployment Rate Fell to 10.2% in July, U.S. Employers Added 1.8 Million Jobs
https://www.wsj.com/articles/july-jobs- ... 1596771828

Donks refuse to compromise on 4th Round of China Virus stimulus. So Trump issues exec orders, among them a:
-renewal of the addition to state weekly unemployment benefit that is scaled back to $400-per-week instead of $600-per-week.
-120-day eviction moratorium.
-payroll tax holiday until the end of the year.
-extension of student loan relief.

And the donks are trying to block it. So the donks are choosing this hill to die on: coming out against unemployed workers, employed workers, tenants and homeowners, and students with student loans. 4D Chess.

Refused to compromise on what?

$29 billion for Department of Defense and helicopters, planes, and ships?
$1.75 billion for new FBI headquarters?
$377 million for renovations to the West Wing of the White House?

Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:15 pm Refused to compromise on what?

$29 billion for Department of Defense and helicopters, planes, and ships?
$1.75 billion for new FBI headquarters?
$377 million for renovations to the West Wing of the White House?

These kind of “emergency” bills are politicians’ wet dreams....on BOTH sides of the aisle. Ever since the term “bail out” was invented, politicians have been licking their chops for the next opportunity to load them up with pork. And to believe only one side of the aisle does it is just burying your head in the sand. The only difference is that “your” side may be doing things you like, while the other side isn’t.

Personally, I don’t want ANY of that shit in an emergency bill.

Congress should abide by two legal provisions that Delaware has: each bill must have only one subject (no “riders”), and the title of the bill must match the subject matter.

We’ll see what the courts decide about these executive orders. The previous relief bills were pork-laden atrocities.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:31 am Donks refuse to compromise on 4th Round of China Virus stimulus. So Trump issues exec orders, among them a:
-renewal of the addition to state weekly unemployment benefit that is scaled back to $400-per-week instead of $600-per-week.
-120-day eviction moratorium.
-payroll tax holiday until the end of the year.
-extension of student loan relief.

And the donks are trying to block it. So the donks are choosing this hill to die on: coming out against unemployed workers, employed workers, tenants and homeowners, and students with student loans. 4D Chess.

Exactly. Dems try to fight it, they come off as looking like jerks for trying to stop assistance.

They go along, Trump solved the problem.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:31 am Donks refuse to compromise on 4th Round of China Virus stimulus. So Trump issues exec orders, among them a:
-renewal of the addition to state weekly unemployment benefit that is scaled back to $400-per-week instead of $600-per-week.
-120-day eviction moratorium.
-payroll tax holiday until the end of the year.
-extension of student loan relief.

And the donks are trying to block it. So the donks are choosing this hill to die on: coming out against unemployed workers, employed workers, tenants and homeowners, and students with student loans. 4D Chess.

-IF The state can pay. Otherwise they're screwed or they can apply for the full $400.


The payroll tax holiday is just a deferment of the tax. I'd be willing to bet companies, especially smaller ones, will still withhold it seeing they will still have to pay it. Also - it MIGHT be forgiven if he wins a 2nd term. Also - since when does the President set tax policy. I thought Congress had that power? And tell me...after we've cut that tax, where will the money come from for those services the tax provides for? And how is a payroll tax deferment going to those that are hurt the most - those unemployed b/c of COVID?

Even his unemployment action, to have the states pay up, has met so much criticism that he's going back on what he said. Looks like another toothless, hastily written thought from the Stable Genius that only creates more confusion than anything else.


This is pandering 101 and the MAGA morons are eating it up. It's like he vomited on a paper and then signed it while Meadows and the GOP are saying, " Good job! We love what you've done!"

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:23 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:15 pm Refused to compromise on what?

$29 billion for Department of Defense and helicopters, planes, and ships?
$1.75 billion for new FBI headquarters?
$377 million for renovations to the West Wing of the White House?

These kind of “emergency” bills are politicians’ wet dreams....on BOTH sides of the aisle. Ever since the term “bail out” was invented, politicians have been licking their chops for the next opportunity to load them up with pork. And to believe only one side of the aisle does it is just burying your head in the sand. The only difference is that “your” side may be doing things you like, while the other side isn’t.

Personally, I don’t want ANY of that shit in an emergency bill.

I could be mistaken - but aren't those the pork projects that the White House wants and that even Senate Republicans are balking at?

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:03 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:23 pm

These kind of “emergency” bills are politicians’ wet dreams....on BOTH sides of the aisle. Ever since the term “bail out” was invented, politicians have been licking their chops for the next opportunity to load them up with pork. And to believe only one side of the aisle does it is just burying your head in the sand. The only difference is that “your” side may be doing things you like, while the other side isn’t.

Personally, I don’t want ANY of that shit in an emergency bill.

I could be mistaken - but aren't those the pork projects that the White House wants and that even Senate Republicans are balking at?

Yes. That particular list. That’s why I said BOTH sides do it.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:54 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:03 am
I could be mistaken - but aren't those the pork projects that the White House wants and that even Senate Republicans are balking at?

Yes. That particular list. That’s why I said BOTH sides do it.

Yes, I followed that. I just couldn't remember which group wanted that BS.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:59 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:54 am

Yes. That particular list. That’s why I said BOTH sides do it.

Yes, I followed that. I just couldn't remember which group wanted that BS.

You couldn’t remember which group wanted to pump billions into defense? Or renovations for the White House?

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:09 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:59 am
Yes, I followed that. I just couldn't remember which group wanted that BS.

You couldn’t remember which group wanted to pump billions into defense? Or renovations for the White House?

I couldn't remember if it the Senate Republicans added it and the White House balked or if it was the other way around.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:39 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:09 am

You couldn’t remember which group wanted to pump billions into defense? Or renovations for the White House?

I couldn't remember if it the Senate Republicans added it and the White House balked or if it was the other way around.

Oh. Never mind then.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:55 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:31 am Donks refuse to compromise on 4th Round of China Virus stimulus. So Trump issues exec orders, among them a:
-renewal of the addition to state weekly unemployment benefit that is scaled back to $400-per-week instead of $600-per-week.
-120-day eviction moratorium.
-payroll tax holiday until the end of the year.
-extension of student loan relief.

And the donks are trying to block it. So the donks are choosing this hill to die on: coming out against unemployed workers, employed workers, tenants and homeowners, and students with student loans. 4D Chess.

Exactly. Dems try to fight it, they come off as looking like jerks for trying to stop assistance.

They go along, Trump solved the problem.

Yep. Heard all of the EO's are legal with the exception of the one using FEMA funds to bolster unemployment benefits...and if the Dems sue Trump to keep another Trump check out of the hands of the populace...oh boy...

4D Chess in action. I fucking love it.

For the record I hate the idea of EO's and wish they wouldn't be used.

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:19 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:55 pm
Exactly. Dems try to fight it, they come off as looking like jerks for trying to stop assistance.

They go along, Trump solved the problem.

Yep. Heard all of the EO's are legal with the exception of the one using FEMA funds to bolster unemployment benefits...and if the Dems sue Trump to keep another Trump check out of the hands of the populace...oh boy...

4D Chess in action. I fucking love it.

For the record I hate the idea of EO's and wish they wouldn't be used.

I enjoy the entertainment of watching the Donks get vapors over Trump's use of EOs after supporting Obama's use of them and vice versa.

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:19 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:55 pm

Exactly. Dems try to fight it, they come off as looking like jerks for trying to stop assistance.

They go along, Trump solved the problem.

Yep. Heard all of the EO's are legal with the exception of the one using FEMA funds to bolster unemployment benefits...and if the Dems sue Trump to keep another Trump check out of the hands of the populace...oh boy...

4D Chess in action. I fucking love it.

For the record I hate the idea of EO's and wish they wouldn't be used.

Supreme Court doesn't have much of a leg to stand on as well.

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:19 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:55 pm

Exactly. Dems try to fight it, they come off as looking like jerks for trying to stop assistance.

They go along, Trump solved the problem.

Yep. Heard all of the EO's are legal with the exception of the one using FEMA funds to bolster unemployment benefits...and if the Dems sue Trump to keep another Trump check out of the hands of the populace...oh boy...

4D Chess in action. I fucking love it.

For the record I hate the idea of EO's and wish they wouldn't be used.

No concern over a balance of powers?

EOs have been used over the years for mundane things like catering menus, whatever.

Using them in place of legislative action was mostly an Obama invention (yes - Reagan used one - to close a legislative loophole with the consent of Congress). Trump has of course built on the Obama legacy.

My hope is that this serves as an example to people why EOs in place of legislation are a bad idea.. because if your guy can do it, so can the other guy. And no executive ever relinquishes that kind of power.

Unfortunately I don’t think we are going to learn that lesson. My guy’s EOs were no big deal but your guy’s are different


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EO's, the way that Obama and Trump have used them, are a result of Congress being led by politicians that are effective at politics, but who are not effective as legislators. We have a Congress that from top to bottom have extremely little interest in working as representatives or senators other than how it plays into them being reelected into power. We focus on the President because it's one person and it's always been a high publicity job, and sure, Trump is an absolute buffoon and is incredible at sucking all the air out of the room, but Congress hasn't been working well for a few years now.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:33 am

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:19 am

Yep. Heard all of the EO's are legal with the exception of the one using FEMA funds to bolster unemployment benefits...and if the Dems sue Trump to keep another Trump check out of the hands of the populace...oh boy...

4D Chess in action. I fucking love it.

For the record I hate the idea of EO's and wish they wouldn't be used.

I enjoy the entertainment of watching the Donks get vapors over Trump's use of EOs after supporting Obama's use of them and vice versa.

That too.

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:47 am

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:19 am

Yep. Heard all of the EO's are legal with the exception of the one using FEMA funds to bolster unemployment benefits...and if the Dems sue Trump to keep another Trump check out of the hands of the populace...oh boy...

4D Chess in action. I fucking love it.

For the record I hate the idea of EO's and wish they wouldn't be used.

No concern over a balance of powers?

Huh? Dems can sue to stop this egregious EO, no? SCOTUS can then decide if it's an illegal EO, no?

CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:06 pm EOs have been used over the years for mundane things like catering menus, whatever.

Using them in place of legislative action was mostly an Obama invention (yes - Reagan used one - to close a legislative loophole with the consent of Congress). Trump has of course built on the Obama legacy.

My hope is that this serves as an example to people why EOs in place of legislation are a bad idea.. because if your guy can do it, so can the other guy. And no executive ever relinquishes that kind of power.

Unfortunately I don’t think we are going to learn that lesson. My guy’s EOs were no big deal but your guy’s are different


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So essentially elections have consequences.

I guess I'll put this here, went back a few pages and didn't see a "Middle East" thread. I thought we had one on here somewhere?