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ehhh....but if churches can have it, then I guess newspapers should be able too....would rather churches become for profit....

Md. Senator Proposes Nonprofit Status For Newspapers

http://www.wbaltv.com/money/19002055/detail.html

WTF is he talking about? Newspapers haven't been profitable for YEARS!

The small town rags can be gold mines, and it costs an arm and a leg to advertise in one of them. As for the daily papers, their day is past. News is so freakin old by the time it lands on your step it seems like it was last week. You get news faster here on this very board than could have been imagined not that long ago. Twenty four hour television news and the internet, so why waste the newsprint anymore.

I only signed on for three more months of daily paper because they called me up and offered it to me for twenty bucks.

Many, many daily papers will either fail or morph into something else in the coming years.

NPR, PRI, PBS, etc....

Wedgebuster wrote:The small town rags can be gold mines, and it costs an arm and a leg to advertise in one of them. As for the daily papers, their day is past. News is so freakin old by the time it lands on your step it seems like it was last week. You get news faster here on this very board than could have been imagined not that long ago. Twenty four hour television news and the internet, so why waste the newsprint anymore.

I only signed on for three more months of daily paper because they called me up and offered it to me for twenty bucks.

Many, many daily papers will either fail or morph into something else in the coming years.

You're right about changes coming, but I'd hate to give up kicking back with a big pot of coffee and a Sunday paper. Just wouldn't be the same sitting in front of a computer screen.

nonprofit newspaper orgs won't really solve the problem.

it's not corporate taxes that are killing papers... it's the rising cost of printing vs. the severely declining circulation. NPO isn't going to fix that...

dead tree media is dying... everywhere but small towns and places with older populations... we'll see how Seattle PI does switching to online only... I think it could work for them... but they have to avoid the temptation to become bloggers... be real journalists... not "citizen journalists"

as for "the paper and a cup of coffee"... that was never part of my life... for me it's coffee and my laptop out on the deck... works about the same

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:nonprofit newspaper orgs won't really solve the problem.

it's not corporate taxes that are killing papers... it's the rising cost of printing vs. the severely declining circulation. NPO isn't going to fix that...

dead tree media is dying... everywhere but small towns and places with older populations... we'll see how Seattle PI does switching to online only... I think it could work for them... but they have to avoid the temptation to become bloggers... be real journalists... not "citizen journalists"

as for "the paper and a cup of coffee"... that was never part of my life... for me it's coffee and my laptop out on the deck... works about the same

Not for me. I don't want to sit at a desk on Sunday morning.

AshevilleApp wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:nonprofit newspaper orgs won't really solve the problem.

it's not corporate taxes that are killing papers... it's the rising cost of printing vs. the severely declining circulation. NPO isn't going to fix that...

dead tree media is dying... everywhere but small towns and places with older populations... we'll see how Seattle PI does switching to online only... I think it could work for them... but they have to avoid the temptation to become bloggers... be real journalists... not "citizen journalists"

as for "the paper and a cup of coffee"... that was never part of my life... for me it's coffee and my laptop out on the deck... works about the same

Not for me. I don't want to sit at a desk on Sunday morning.

DECK


not desk

AshevilleApp wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:The small town rags can be gold mines, and it costs an arm and a leg to advertise in one of them. As for the daily papers, their day is past. News is so freakin old by the time it lands on your step it seems like it was last week. You get news faster here on this very board than could have been imagined not that long ago. Twenty four hour television news and the internet, so why waste the newsprint anymore.

I only signed on for three more months of daily paper because they called me up and offered it to me for twenty bucks.

Many, many daily papers will either fail or morph into something else in the coming years.

You're right about changes coming, but I'd hate to give up kicking back with a big pot of coffee and a Sunday paper. Just wouldn't be the same sitting in front of a computer screen.

I'm with you on the Sunday paper and coffee but TTBF is right, the paper as a physical product is dying.

dbackjon wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:

Not for me. I don't want to sit at a desk on Sunday morning.

DECK


not desk

Well I don't have a lap top anyway. Carry on.

UNI88 wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:
You're right about changes coming, but I'd hate to give up kicking back with a big pot of coffee and a Sunday paper. Just wouldn't be the same sitting in front of a computer screen.

I'm with you on the Sunday paper and coffee but TTBF is right, the paper as a physical product is dying.

I agree as well. You have to accept change, but you don't have to be happy about it.

Easy analysis:

Cost of a NY times yearly subscription (7 days) - $275
Cost of a Dell netbook: $199

Easy math. Bad for the papers unless they start charging for use of their websites like WSJ does.

AshevilleApp wrote:

dbackjon wrote:
DECK


not desk

Well I don't have a lap top anyway. Carry on.

Get yourself a kindle

AshevilleApp wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:The small town rags can be gold mines, and it costs an arm and a leg to advertise in one of them. As for the daily papers, their day is past. News is so freakin old by the time it lands on your step it seems like it was last week. You get news faster here on this very board than could have been imagined not that long ago. Twenty four hour television news and the internet, so why waste the newsprint anymore.

I only signed on for three more months of daily paper because they called me up and offered it to me for twenty bucks.

Many, many daily papers will either fail or morph into something else in the coming years.

You're right about changes coming, but I'd hate to give up kicking back with a big pot of coffee and a Sunday paper. Just wouldn't be the same sitting in front of a computer screen.

Amen, brother!

danefan wrote:Easy analysis:

Cost of a NY times yearly subscription (7 days) - $275
Cost of a Dell netbook: $199

Easy math. Bad for the papers unless they start charging for use of their websites like WSJ does.

Plus:

Cost of Sunday NY Times: $3.50
52-week low cost of share in NYT: $3.44


Read one-line and buy a share ...

danefan wrote:Easy analysis:

Cost of a NY times yearly subscription (7 days) - $275
Cost of a Dell netbook: $199

Easy math. Bad for the papers unless they start charging for use of their websites like WSJ does.

yeah... good luck with that...

remember NY Times Premium?

WSJ serves a niche - largely... and it's readers are inclined to pay for it... IIRC if you get a dead tree copy you get a login as part of the deal. For most major papers... I can't see paying for it... the quality isn't that good...

What's next, making the auto industry tax-exempt?

Or does Cardin just want to preserve newspapers for sentimental reasons?

Pwns wrote:What's next, making the auto industry tax-exempt?

Or does Cardin just want to preserve newspapers for sentimental reasons?

There's a legitimate thought to what Cardin is talking about. We're not talking about "just another industry" we're talking about the ONLY industry (other than the slave trade) to be mentioned specifically in the Constitution. The press (not the MEDIA)... have an essential role in our democracy.

There is a concern, with these outlets going under, that the 4th estate won't be able to do its job. (yes, yes... insert 1,400 comments about they never ever have... etc... yawn)

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

Pwns wrote:What's next, making the auto industry tax-exempt?

Or does Cardin just want to preserve newspapers for sentimental reasons?

There's a legitimate thought to what Cardin is talking about. We're not talking about "just another industry" we're talking about the ONLY industry (other than the slave trade) to be mentioned specifically in the Constitution. The press (not the MEDIA)... have an essential role in our democracy.

There is a concern, with these outlets going under, that the 4th estate won't be able to do its job. (yes, yes... insert 1,400 comments about they never ever have... etc... yawn)

1st Amendment wrote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

I don't think it has ever been ruled that the "Press" refers exclusively to printed papers

dbackjon wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
There's a legitimate thought to what Cardin is talking about. We're not talking about "just another industry" we're talking about the ONLY industry (other than the slave trade) to be mentioned specifically in the Constitution. The press (not the MEDIA)... have an essential role in our democracy.

There is a concern, with these outlets going under, that the 4th estate won't be able to do its job. (yes, yes... insert 1,400 comments about they never ever have... etc... yawn)

1st Amendment wrote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

I don't think it has ever been ruled that the "Press" refers exclusively to printed papers

Supreme Court rulings on censorship and obscenity...

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

dbackjon wrote: I don't think it has ever been ruled that the "Press" refers exclusively to printed papers

Supreme Court rulings on censorship and obscenity...

Link?


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