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Re: War on Christmas, 2016

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JoltinJoe wrote:Also, as an side, with respect to generic prayer in schools, you can expect that this will become a hot issue within the next four years.

Appellate rulings within the past generation have held that, even though a student may not be "compelled" to pray along, there may be a stigma associated with not praying along in a school environment, given the reality of "peer pressure" and the need to "fit it." This contrasts with a public meeting setting, where an adult is presumed to have the maturity to act in accordance with his or her own conscience and belief.

For the most part, I'm ok with that reasoning, but I do think that students should be offered a minute of silence at the beginning of the day to reflect, or pray, if that is their choice. For the life of me, I can't figure out why such laws would be unconstitutional. No one knows what you are doing in your head during that minute: reflecting, praying, or lusting after the head cheerleader a row over from you. :lol:
I have no issue with a moment of silence. The "generic prayer" slope is a little more slippery if you're an atheist but I also don't take much issue with that.

However, you're concept of "generic preference" as it relates to this instance is complete lawyering bullshit. :lol:
so long as the act does not "establish" any particular religion.
In this case, while the poster was a generic display of religion, it favored no particular Christian religious faith
Of course, any other staff member could likewise display a poster that shows the same kind of generic preference toward Islam, or Judaism, Hinduism, etc.
So it's OK as long as the faith has multiple denominations? Or does that only apply to Christians?

What defines a "particular religious faith"?

Christians disagree about whether "Christ is the lord and that's what Christmas is all about".

Please explain again what "generic" preference means?

Jesus..... :lol:
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JoltinJoe wrote:Also, as an side, with respect to generic prayer in schools, you can expect that this will become a hot issue within the next four years.

Appellate rulings within the past generation have held that, even though a student may not be "compelled" to pray along, there may be a stigma associated with not praying along in a school environment, given the reality of "peer pressure" and the need to "fit it." This contrasts with a public meeting setting, where an adult is presumed to have the maturity to act in accordance with his or her own conscience and belief.

For the most part, I'm ok with that reasoning, but I do think that students should be offered a minute of silence at the beginning of the day to reflect, or pray, if that is their choice. For the life of me, I can't figure out why such laws would be unconstitutional. No one knows what you are doing in your head during that minute: reflecting, praying, or lusting after the head cheerleader a row over from you. :lol:
I have no issue with that. I remember moments of silence during the few years I attended public school. Hell, even when I was enrolled in a Catholic school, I never prayed.

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kalm wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Also, as an side, with respect to generic prayer in schools, you can expect that this will become a hot issue within the next four years.

Appellate rulings within the past generation have held that, even though a student may not be "compelled" to pray along, there may be a stigma associated with not praying along in a school environment, given the reality of "peer pressure" and the need to "fit it." This contrasts with a public meeting setting, where an adult is presumed to have the maturity to act in accordance with his or her own conscience and belief.

For the most part, I'm ok with that reasoning, but I do think that students should be offered a minute of silence at the beginning of the day to reflect, or pray, if that is their choice. For the life of me, I can't figure out why such laws would be unconstitutional. No one knows what you are doing in your head during that minute: reflecting, praying, or lusting after the head cheerleader a row over from you. :lol:
I have no issue with a moment of silence. The "generic prayer" slope is a little more slippery if you're an atheist but I also don't take much issue with that.

However, you're concept of "generic preference" as it relates to this instance is complete lawyering bullshit. :lol:
so long as the act does not "establish" any particular religion.
In this case, while the poster was a generic display of religion, it favored no particular Christian religious faith
Of course, any other staff member could likewise display a poster that shows the same kind of generic preference toward Islam, or Judaism, Hinduism, etc.
So it's OK as long as the faith has multiple denominations? Or does that only apply to Christians?

What defines a "particular religious faith"?

Christians disagree about whether "Christ is the lord and that's what Christmas is all about".

Please explain again what "generic" preference means?

Jesus..... :lol:
Atheists need to STFU.

As do Evangelical Christians. And Jews. And Muslims. :kisswink:
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JoltinJoe wrote:Also, as an side, with respect to generic prayer in schools, you can expect that this will become a hot issue within the next four years.

Appellate rulings within the past generation have held that, even though a student may not be "compelled" to pray along, there may be a stigma associated with not praying along in a school environment, given the reality of "peer pressure" and the need to "fit it." This contrasts with a public meeting setting, where an adult is presumed to have the maturity to act in accordance with his or her own conscience and belief.

For the most part, I'm ok with that reasoning, but I do think that students should be offered a minute of silence at the beginning of the day to reflect, or pray, if that is their choice. For the life of me, I can't figure out why such laws would be unconstitutional. No one knows what you are doing in your head during that minute: reflecting, praying, or lusting after the head cheerleader a row over from you. :lol:
I quickly googled "generic preference + US Supreme Court" and all I found was cases relating to pharmaceuticals. However, I read Marsh v Chambers and Town of Greece v. Galloway. I see what you're saying.
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Exactly how does that "violate the Constitution?" What article? What clause?
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All would be better if the atheists and the whacky evangelical Christians would just live and let live and then we wouldn't have to worry about whether a Christmas display or a Halloween parade was going to offend or persecute either one respectively.
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Bronco wrote:This guy has a way to win


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The guy he refers to that the ACLU goes to find who is offended... kalm, do they have your address?
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SuperHornet wrote:Exactly how does that "violate the Constitution?" What article? What clause?
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The guy he refers to that the ACLU goes to find who is offended... kalm, do they have your address?
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The day another religion's icons dominate the public square is the day Christians would become big ACLU fans. :nod:
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This guy gets it... :lol:

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kalm wrote:The day another religion's icons dominate the public square is the day Christians would become big ACLU fans. :nod:
Yeah, hold your breath for that one kalm. :roll:
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:The day another religion's icons dominate the public square is the day Christians would become big ACLU fans. :nod:
Yeah, hold your breath for that one kalm. :roll:
That's why I used the word "would". As in hypothetical. And I didn't expect you to see the big picture and the intent of the founders and all that. :lol:
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Yeah, hold your breath for that one kalm. :roll:
That's why I used the word "would". As in hypothetical. And I didn't expect you to see the big picture and the intent of the founders and all that. :lol:
It would be nice if your hypothetical had even a 0.1% chance of happening... but then again, playing it safe is probably a good call for you on this one.
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kalm wrote:This guy gets it... :lol:

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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
That's why I used the word "would". As in hypothetical. And I didn't expect you to see the big picture and the intent of the founders and all that. :lol:
It would be nice if your hypothetical had even a 0.1% chance of happening... but then again, playing it safe is probably a good call for you on this one.
Yes. Because the constitution is was never based on hypotheticals... :roll:
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: It would be nice if your hypothetical had even a 0.1% chance of happening... but then again, playing it safe is probably a good call for you on this one.
Yes. Because the constitution is was never based on hypotheticals... :roll:
kalm, it's really sad to see how far off the deep end you've gone this year. :(
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What's the score...are we still winning the war?
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Re: War on Christmas, 2016

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89Hen wrote:
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Yes. Because the constitution is was never based on hypotheticals... :roll:
kalm, it's really sad to see how far off the deep end you've gone this year. :(
What? I'm told all the time that the 2nd amendment is there in case of the hypothetical scenario where Alpha has to protect us from a tyrannical government??? I'm sure there are other examples?

Btw, you should really come up with a new go to line for when you don't have an answer... :lol:
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