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Obama Pardons

Postby Bronco » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:22 pm

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I thought he would have released his list of pardons by now
This is my list
I hope I'm wrong but I went with what would tick off the most people

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Leonard Peltier

Edward Snowden

Chelsea Manning

Himself and Holder for fast and furious deaths of 500 Mexicans and Brian Terry

Bowe Bergdahl...better not

Joanne Chesimard cop killer hiding in Cuba

Bill Cosby

Hillary



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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby ALPHAGRIZ1 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:25 pm

Most of that list is "not black enough" to get a pardon from BrObama
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Skjellyfetti » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:26 pm

Obama commutes Chelsea Manning's sentence.

Now, curious to see if Assange agrees to be extradited. :lol:

https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/st ... 2787059713
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Grizalltheway » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:38 pm

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Most of that list is "not black enough" to get a pardon from BrObama


Yep, just like Brady and Belicheat are too white for you to care about them breaking the rules.

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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby ALPHAGRIZ1 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:05 pm

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Most of that list is "not black enough" to get a pardon from BrObama


Yep, just like Brady and Belicheat are too white for you to care about them breaking the rules.


I would care but they didnt do anything different than any other team in the NFL so.................... :coffee:
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Bronco » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:36 pm

"Pres. Obama pardons retired Gen. James Cartwright, charged with making false statements during a federal leak investigation.

he leaked classified information on the Iran Cyberattack
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Col Hogan » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:37 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Obama commutes Chelsea Manning's sentence.

Now, curious to see if Assange agrees to be extradited. :lol:

https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/st ... 2787059713

Assange said if Manning was pardoned, he'd come out of the embassy...that didn't happen, so I doubt he'll come out...
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Gil Dobie » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:43 pm

Leonard Peltier should be pardoned, don't think he shot the agents.
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby tribe_pride » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:14 pm

Bronco wrote:-
I thought he would have released his list of pardons by now
This is my list
I hope I'm wrong but I went with what would tick off the most people

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Bill Cosby



Has Cosby been charged with any federal crimes or are they all state allegations? President can only pardon/grant clemency for federal crimes

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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Skjellyfetti » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:30 pm

Col Hogan wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Obama commutes Chelsea Manning's sentence.

Now, curious to see if Assange agrees to be extradited. :lol:

https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/st ... 2787059713

Assange said if Manning was pardoned, he'd come out of the embassy...that didn't happen, so I doubt he'll come out...



He said if he granted him clemency - not pardon.

Pardoning him AND commuting his sentence are BOTH granting him clemency. :coffee:


And, yes... of course he is not going to leave the embassy. He was just trolling on Twitter with no intention of actually backing any of it up. Kinda like someone else... ;)



Edit:

Nevermind. He may actually do it (still doubt it, though.

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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby CID1990 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:21 pm

Bronco wrote:-
I thought he would have released his list of pardons by now
This is my list
I hope I'm wrong but I went with what would tick off the most people

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Leonard Peltier

Edward Snowden

Chelsea Manning

Himself and Holder for fast and furious deaths of 500 Mexicans and Brian Terry

Bowe Bergdahl...better not

Joanne Chesimard cop killer hiding in Cuba

Bill Cosby

Hillary



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You forgot Mumia.
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Vidav » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:27 pm

What federal charges has Hillary been found guilty of?
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby CID1990 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:29 pm

Vidav wrote:What federal charges has Hillary been found guilty of?


There are provisions for blanket pardons where a conviction or even a formal charge are not necessary.
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Bronco » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:44 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Vidav wrote:What federal charges has Hillary been found guilty of?


There are provisions for blanket pardons where a conviction or even a formal charge are not necessary.



Yep...see Nixon
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Bronco » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:01 pm

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Via ABC:
President Barack Obama has granted clemency to Oscar Lopez-Rivera who has been in federal prison since 1981.
Lopez-Rivera grew up in Chicago and was convicted of seditious conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. government when he was a member of the Puerto Rican independence group FALN.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama shortened the sentences of 209
prisoners and pardoned 64 individuals on Tuesday, the White House said.

With his term in office set to end on Friday, Obama has now commuted the
sentences of 1,385 people and granted a total of 212 pardons.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/oba...


and 10 More Gitmo folks were released
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Skjellyfetti » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:20 am

Bronco wrote:
and 10 More Gitmo folks were released


Not released. Moved out of Gitmo.
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Postby Gil Dobie » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:13 am

Count so far

Bush transfers or releases 500
Obama transfers or releases 193
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby Ivytalk » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:23 am

CID1990 wrote:
Bronco wrote:-
I thought he would have released his list of pardons by now
This is my list
I hope I'm wrong but I went with what would tick off the most people

--
Leonard Peltier

Edward Snowden

Chelsea Manning

Himself and Holder for fast and furious deaths of 500 Mexicans and Brian Terry

Bowe Bergdahl...better not

Joanne Chesimard cop killer hiding in Cuba

Bill Cosby

Hillary



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You forgot Mumia.

That one might set off a real shitstorm, if it happens.
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby kalm » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:05 am

Pardoning Manning was a good thing.
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby houndawg » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:38 am

tribe_pride wrote:
Bronco wrote:-
I thought he would have released his list of pardons by now
This is my list
I hope I'm wrong but I went with what would tick off the most people

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Bill Cosby



Has Cosby been charged with any federal crimes or are they all state allegations? President can only pardon/grant clemency for federal crimes


I'm still surprised that Trump didn't tap him for VP
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Postby Ivytalk » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:04 am

kalm wrote:Pardoning Manning was a good thing.

Why?
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby kalm » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:09 am

Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:Pardoning Manning was a good thing.

Why?


The military was being about the prosecution of the war and civilian death totals. She exposed that albeit while breaking the law, owned it, apologized and did 7 years including solitary.
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Postby GannonFan » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:20 am

kalm wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Why?


The military was being about the prosecution of the war and civilian death totals. She exposed that albeit while breaking the law, owned it, apologized and did 7 years including solitary.


Let's be honest, the main reason for the commutation of the sentence was the gender switch and the military's refusal to house her in a prison according to her new gender.

As for the crime, hey, once you're in the military there's a chain of command to follow to expose what had to be exposed here. There were plenty of ways to bring to light the military's faults without going so far outside the command that going to WikiLeaks represented. And you're ignoring that with all that she stole and gave to WikiLeaks, only about 1% of it dealt with the military's misdeeds.
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby kalm » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:29 am

GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
The military was being about the prosecution of the war and civilian death totals. She exposed that albeit while breaking the law, owned it, apologized and did 7 years including solitary.


Let's be honest, the main reason for the commutation of the sentence was the gender switch and the military's refusal to house her in a prison according to her new gender.

As for the crime, hey, once you're in the military there's a chain of command to follow to expose what had to be exposed here. There were plenty of ways to bring to light the military's faults without going so far outside the command that going to WikiLeaks represented. And you're ignoring that with all that she stole and gave to WikiLeaks, only about 1% of it dealt with the military's misdeeds.


And she served enough time IMO.
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Re: Obama Pardons

Postby CID1990 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:30 am

Ivytalk wrote:
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You forgot Mumia.

That one might set off a real shitstorm, if it happens.


You mean more of a shitstorm than the 8 years of obvious hostility to street cops?

Count me as cynical, but I don't think that's ever been a deterrent for this administration.

BTW I could be wrong, but does anyone want to avatar bet me on this pardon/commutation?

Keep in mind that Van Jones is a hardcore Mumia supporter, as is Obama's original nominee to DOJ, Debo Adegbile.
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