Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[SDHornet]

Question:
At what point can Trump get nailed for breaking the campaign finance laws with regard to Stormy Daniels? This seems like and easy "if - then" scenario but not sure if it is from a legal standpoint. Wouldn't it be hard to prove that it was to protect the "campaign"? Couldn't Trump just say it was to protect his marriage? Or to protect someone else, like a person who set up the encounter? Unless they have Trump on tape saying it was to protect the campaign, it seems like he could wiggle out of this.

This is the best article I’ve seen to date on this particular topic, as well as Mueller’s sham investigation as a whole. Written by Democrat Mark Penn, adviser to Bill Clinton during his impeachment:

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/ ... t-up-trump

Sounds like Trump has no real worries once all the dust and MSM theatrics settle.

Here is the key takeaway from the article for jellybean and dbj:

Let us also not forget that President Clinton was entrapped into lying about his affairs and, although impeached, was acquitted by the Senate. The lesson was clear: We are not going to remove presidents for lying about who they had affairs with, nor even convict politicians on campaign finance violations for these personal payments.

womp womp

[Skjellyfetti]

FEC rules are different from federal campaign finance law.

For one you get indicted on federal charges by DOJ. For the other you get fined by the FEC. Slight difference.

Trump's campaign broke FEC rules, was fined $1.3 million and moved on like nothing happened.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

Sounds like you didn't get the memo...the DOJ memo about how they won't indict a sitting President.

https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/sit ... rosecution

Talk about uninformed blathering.

No shit

I've said as much many times in this thread. My post doesn't contradict it.

[Ibanez]

For a "stable genius" and someone who is "innocent," Trump sure doesn't act like. He thinks people that flip aka tell the truth shouldn't be allowed to do so, he thinks we'd all go poor if he were impeached

"If I ever got impeached, I think the market would crash, I think everybody would be very poor," Trump said. "You would see numbers that you wouldn't believe."

Yeah, because we're all so rich now.

[Skjellyfetti]

Nixon 2: Bigger, Dumber, Louder

[Skjellyfetti]

David Pecker, the chief executive of the company that publishes the National Enquirer, was granted immunity by federal prosecutors for providing information about Michael Cohen and Donald Trump in the criminal investigation into hush-money payments for two women during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

In exchange for immunity, Mr. Pecker, CEO of American Media, Inc., has met with prosecutors and shared details about payments Mr. Cohen arranged in an effort to silence two women who alleged sexual encounters with Mr. Trump, including Mr. Trump’s knowledge of the deals, some of the people familiar said. Prosecutors have indicated that Mr. Pecker won’t be criminally charged for his participation in the deals, the people said.

Mr. Pecker has previously said he is a longtime friend of Mr. Trump.

Prosecutors have indicated Dylan Howard, chief content officer of American Media, also won’t be criminally charged in Cohen investigation, according to a person familiar with the matter.

President Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges on Tuesday. WSJ’s Shelby Holliday explains how Cohen’s plea agreement could impact the president. Photo: Associated Press
Messrs. Pecker and Howard and American Media didn’t immediately respond to request for comment.

Mr. Pecker’s assistance appeared to have informed the charging documents made public on Tuesday as part of Mr. Cohen’s guilty plea to eight criminal charges, including campaign-finance violations tied to the payments.

During his guilty-plea hearing, Mr. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer, said that at Mr. Trump’s direction, he broke federal laws on campaign contributions by coordinating payments to the two women for the purpose of suppressing negative information about Mr. Trump and influencing the 2016 election.

American Media executives were involved in both hush-money deals that formed the basis of Mr. Cohen’s guilty plea to campaign-finance violations, prosecutors said. One was a $130,000 payment to Stephanie Clifford—a former porn actress who goes professionally by Stormy Daniels—to keep her from publicly discussing an alleged affair with Mr. Trump.

The second was a $150,000 payment made to former Playboy model Karen McDougal for her exclusive story of an alleged extramarital affair with Mr. Trump, a story that was purchased by American Media in August 2016 at Mr. Cohen’s urging, and then never published.

The immunity status of Mr. Pecker was first reported by Vanity Fair. The Wall Street Journal published Wednesday that Mr. Pecker provided information to prosecutors.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... k7&ampcf=1

[CID1990]

David Pecker, the chief executive of the company that publishes the National Enquirer, was granted immunity by federal prosecutors for providing information about Michael Cohen and Donald Trump in the criminal investigation into hush-money payments for two women during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

In exchange for immunity, Mr. Pecker, CEO of American Media, Inc., has met with prosecutors and shared details about payments Mr. Cohen arranged in an effort to silence two women who alleged sexual encounters with Mr. Trump, including Mr. Trump’s knowledge of the deals, some of the people familiar said. Prosecutors have indicated that Mr. Pecker won’t be criminally charged for his participation in the deals, the people said.

Mr. Pecker has previously said he is a longtime friend of Mr. Trump.

Prosecutors have indicated Dylan Howard, chief content officer of American Media, also won’t be criminally charged in Cohen investigation, according to a person familiar with the matter.

President Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges on Tuesday. WSJ’s Shelby Holliday explains how Cohen’s plea agreement could impact the president. Photo: Associated Press
Messrs. Pecker and Howard and American Media didn’t immediately respond to request for comment.

Mr. Pecker’s assistance appeared to have informed the charging documents made public on Tuesday as part of Mr. Cohen’s guilty plea to eight criminal charges, including campaign-finance violations tied to the payments.

During his guilty-plea hearing, Mr. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer, said that at Mr. Trump’s direction, he broke federal laws on campaign contributions by coordinating payments to the two women for the purpose of suppressing negative information about Mr. Trump and influencing the 2016 election.

American Media executives were involved in both hush-money deals that formed the basis of Mr. Cohen’s guilty plea to campaign-finance violations, prosecutors said. One was a $130,000 payment to Stephanie Clifford—a former porn actress who goes professionally by Stormy Daniels—to keep her from publicly discussing an alleged affair with Mr. Trump.

The second was a $150,000 payment made to former Playboy model Karen McDougal for her exclusive story of an alleged extramarital affair with Mr. Trump, a story that was purchased by American Media in August 2016 at Mr. Cohen’s urging, and then never published.

The immunity status of Mr. Pecker was first reported by Vanity Fair. The Wall Street Journal published Wednesday that Mr. Pecker provided information to prosecutors.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... k7&ampcf=1

I thought this was about Russia


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[Chizzang]

I'm waiting to see just exactly who President Trump won't throw under the bus...
I've never seen such sniveling and pointing at everybody else

The man is incapable of taking responsibility for his own actions
quite literally the definition of Pathological

wow...

[GannonFan]

I'm waiting to see just exactly who President Trump won't throw under the bus...
I've never seen such sniveling and pointing at everybody else

The man is incapable of taking responsibility for his own actions
quite literally the definition of Pathological

wow...

I almost expect him to use a line like there's a "vast something something conspiracy" that's out to get him and his family. I never thought that we'd see the 90's happen all over again, and just have the two sides switch places.

[CID1990]

I'm waiting to see just exactly who President Trump won't throw under the bus...
I've never seen such sniveling and pointing at everybody else

The man is incapable of taking responsibility for his own actions
quite literally the definition of Pathological

wow...

Literally every sentence of that White House interview he gave yesterday was cringeworthy

only slightly less so than the feigned outrage from the 24/7 newspeeps


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[Chizzang]

I'm waiting to see just exactly who President Trump won't throw under the bus...
I've never seen such sniveling and pointing at everybody else

The man is incapable of taking responsibility for his own actions
quite literally the definition of Pathological

wow...

Literally every sentence of that White House interview he gave yesterday was cringeworthy

only slightly less so than the feigned outrage from the 24/7 newspeeps

I laugh now...
I remember when I thought this (below) was a disqualifying level of nutty to become elected

[Ibanez]

I'm waiting to see just exactly who President Trump won't throw under the bus...
I've never seen such sniveling and pointing at everybody else

The man is incapable of taking responsibility for his own actions
quite literally the definition of Pathological

wow...

Literally every sentence of that White House interview he gave yesterday was cringeworthy

only slightly less so than the feigned outrage from the 24/7 newspeeps


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Yup. It wasn’t a shock but Faux News threw softballs and didn’t hit him hard to answer questions. I’m not sure you could call it journalism.


A circle jerk, sure.


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[CID1990]

Literally every sentence of that White House interview he gave yesterday was cringeworthy

only slightly less so than the feigned outrage from the 24/7 newspeeps


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Yup. It wasn’t a shock but Faux News threw softballs and didn’t hit him hard to answer questions. I’m not sure you could call it journalism.


A circle jerk, sure.


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I don’t know how you guys live here

My Dad is borderline senile, so he watches MSNBC

I have to leave the house... not so much that I disagree that there’s a problem with the guy, but because they repeat themselves every 2 minutes, and their takes on why Trump is wrong are so far off base... it’s like watching 4 year olds critique a 5 year old

He’s yucky just because

Oh and free speech

[kalm]

Yup. It wasn’t a shock but Faux News threw softballs and didn’t hit him hard to answer questions. I’m not sure you could call it journalism.


A circle jerk, sure.


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I don’t know how you guys live here

My Dad is borderline senile, so he watches MSNBC

I have to leave the house... not so much that I disagree that there’s a problem with the guy, but because they repeat themselves every 2 minutes, and their takes on why Trump is wrong are so far off base... it’s like watching 4 year olds critique a 5 year old

He’s yucky just because

Oh and free speech

Yup...I used to watch Morning Joe most mornings while working out or getting stuff done around the house. I can’t stand watching any of it now.

[Ibanez]

Yup. It wasn’t a shock but Faux News threw softballs and didn’t hit him hard to answer questions. I’m not sure you could call it journalism.


A circle jerk, sure.


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I don’t know how you guys live here

My Dad is borderline senile, so he watches MSNBC

I have to leave the house... not so much that I disagree that there’s a problem with the guy, but because they repeat themselves every 2 minutes, and their takes on why Trump is wrong are so far off base... it’s like watching 4 year olds critique a 5 year old

He’s yucky just because

Oh and free speech

I find that ignoring most news and media works the best.


Also booze


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[SDHornet]

Sounds like you didn't get the memo...the DOJ memo about how they won't indict a sitting President.

https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/sit ... rosecution

Talk about uninformed blathering.

No shit

I've said as much many times in this thread. My post doesn't contradict it.

Huh? You just said Federal charges get you indicted, that ain't happening to Trump. I think all your Russia Russia Russia narratives are getting to you.

[BDKJMU]

With this “Trump-Russia Megathread” I just skimmed the 150 or so posts of blather on here from this past week. Unless I missed it, I don’t see anything to do with Tump & Russia..3k plus posts on here over the last 1 1/2 years+, and I bet 99% have nothing to do with Trump and Russia. So someone please wake me up when there is some news that involves Trump and Russia.

[∞∞∞]

With this “Trump-Russia Megathread” I just skimmed the 150 or so posts of blather on here from this past week. Unless I missed it, I don’t see anything to do with Tump & Russia..3k plus posts on here over the last 1 1/2 years+, and I bet 99% have nothing to do with Trump and Russia. So someone please wake me up when there is some news that involves Trump and Russia.

This investigation isn't just about Russia.

Section B.2:

ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation

Section C:

If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea ... 1/download

But I know that you, someone who pretends to like law and order, doesn't actually give a damn about law and order. Because you're a hypocrite - always - and likely forever. I can see it now:

NPR: "Breaking News - Trump ordered murder to cover-up illegal campaign payments."
BDK: "It has nothing to do with Russia. #witchhunt #MAGA #librultears #winning."

[Skjellyfetti]

No shit

I've said as much many times in this thread. My post doesn't contradict it.

Huh? You just said Federal charges get you indicted, that ain't happening to Trump. I think all your Russia Russia Russia narratives are getting to you.

Goddamn, dude.

Cohen is indicted for it. I never said Trump would be indicted for it.... In fact, I said the opposite

[Ibanez]

Allen Weisselberg, President Trump’s longtime financial gatekeeper, was granted immunity by federal prosecutors for providing information about Michael Cohen in the criminal investigation into hush-money payments for two women during the 2016 presidential campaign,

https://www.wsj.com/articles/allen-weis ... 1535121992

[∞∞∞]

Allen Weisselberg, President Trump’s longtime financial gatekeeper, was granted immunity by federal prosecutors for providing information about Michael Cohen in the criminal investigation into hush-money payments for two women during the 2016 presidential campaign,

https://www.wsj.com/articles/allen-weis ... 1535121992

He's worked for Trump for 30+ years. This one is big - the dude knows everything.

People are beginning to flip left and right; it's apparent Mueller knows way more than any of us think.

But hey, a thief surrounded himself with thieves...and you know how the old saying goes.

[CAA Flagship]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/allen-weis ... 1535121992

He's worked for Trump for 30+ years. This one is big - the dude knows everything.

People are beginning to flip left and right; it's apparent Mueller knows way more than any of us think.

But hey, a thief surrounded himself with thieves...and you know how the old saying goes.

Hopefully the dragnet will be big enough to snag the Clintons.

[CID1990]

Let’s bring this thread back to Jelly’s original intent

Speaking of assisting the Russians.... wow - good job NYT and intel “officials”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/p ... tions.html

[BDKJMU]

With this “Trump-Russia Megathread” I just skimmed the 150 or so posts of blather on here from this past week. Unless I missed it, I don’t see anything to do with Tump & Russia..3k plus posts on here over the last 1 1/2 years+, and I bet 99% have nothing to do with Trump and Russia. So someone please wake me up when there is some news that involves Trump and Russia.

This investigation isn't just about Russia.

Section B.2:

ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation

Section C:

If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea ... 1/download

But I know that you, someone who pretends to like law and order, doesn't actually give a damn about law and order. Because you're a hypocrite - always - and likely forever. I can see it now:

NPR: "Breaking News - Trump ordered murder to cover-up illegal campaign payments."
BDK: "It has nothing to do with Russia. #witchhunt #MAGA #librultears #winning."

Look at the thread title. Its the "Trump - Russia megathread" Its not Trump did this, or Trump is accused of that, or a Trump associate did that thread, or about Mueller's giant fishing expedition that has nothing to do with Trump/Russia.

[houndawg]

October 27, 2016 was long before he was President?

Who gives a **** about the affair except some consistent social conservatives?

We're just trying to enforce the laws on the books.

You know the point dude. The part of America that mattered in the election was tired of the usual DC bullshit. Trump was the thumb in the eye to a government that has hovered below 20% favoribility for years.

America wants a change. The Left brings someone forward who won't toe the line (ha! I r smart. I learn) and they might get elected too.

[houndawg]

assuming you don't lose the Senate too... Turd Boobs is **** without some deus ex voting machina

It takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to remove a President following an impeachment. Not just a Senate rule, a Constitutional detail. Democrats could win the Senate but gaining a 2/3 majority is impossible right now. Only way Trump is removed from office is if Republicans think setting Pence up as a sure thing in 2020 would be the outcome.

if they lose the Senate there will be Republican Senators that won't be interested in holding out until the bitter end.