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Postby SeattleGriz » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:34 am

Sue Gordon steps down. Another Swamp creature bites the dust.
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Postby JohnStOnge » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:24 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:Sue Gordon steps down. Another Swamp creature bites the dust.


Dude, Trump is the swamp creature. There is no indication that Sue Gordon has been anything other than an ethical public official. What happened with her is just one more indication of how corrupt Trump is.
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Postby mainejeff2 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:41 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Sue Gordon steps down. Another Swamp creature bites the dust.


Dude, Trump is the swamp creature. There is no indication that Sue Gordon has been anything other than an ethical public official. What happened with her is just one more indication of how corrupt Trump is.


The Swamp is about 100 feet deeper than when Trump took office. It's stuff like this where people really reveal themselves to be partisan hacks. :thumb:

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Postby SeattleGriz » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:54 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Sue Gordon steps down. Another Swamp creature bites the dust.


Dude, Trump is the swamp creature. There is no indication that Sue Gordon has been anything other than an ethical public official. What happened with her is just one more indication of how corrupt Trump is.
The game is over. Why do you think Coats was shown the door. He's slow walking information the public needs to see.

You bother to read the Rosemary Collyer FISA abuse report I posted. The government was caught fucking spying on Americans.

You're stuck on Trump when you should be more worried about your civil liberties.

You didn't think this would happen after 9/11 eventually? I don't think this is a Dem vs Rep thing. This is our government overstepping the 4th amendment.

They need a few brush back pitches. Get the game back to where it should be.

Sue Gordon wasn't going to allow that.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
Dude, Trump is the swamp creature. There is no indication that Sue Gordon has been anything other than an ethical public official. What happened with her is just one more indication of how corrupt Trump is.
The game is over. Why do you think Coats was shown the door. He's slow walking information the public needs to see.

You bother to read the Rosemary Collyer FISA abuse report I posted. The government was caught **** spying on Americans.

You're stuck on Trump when you should be more worried about your civil liberties.

You didn't think this would happen after 9/11 eventually? I don't think this is a Dem vs Rep thing. This is our government overstepping the 4th amendment.

They need a few brush back pitches. Get the game back to where it should be.

Sue Gordon wasn't going to allow that.


Agreed, you are wasting your time trying to talk sense tp JSO, he is too deep into TDS to see facts if they bite his butt.


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Postby houndawg » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:43 am

SeattleGriz wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
Dude, Trump is the swamp creature. There is no indication that Sue Gordon has been anything other than an ethical public official. What happened with her is just one more indication of how corrupt Trump is.
The game is over. Why do you think Coats was shown the door. He's slow walking information the public needs to see.

You bother to read the Rosemary Collyer FISA abuse report I posted. The government was caught **** spying on Americans.

You're stuck on Trump when you should be more worried about your civil liberties.

You didn't think this would happen after 9/11 eventually? I don't think this is a Dem vs Rep thing. This is our government overstepping the 4th amendment.

They need a few brush back pitches. Get the game back to where it should be.

Sue Gordon wasn't going to allow that.


Jesus, SG, we've all known this for at least 50 years. I'm enjoying the fact that the FBI comes out of this debacle of their own making looking really, really, bad.

They should have stuck to provacateur work among the tree huggers. :rofl:
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Postby mainejeff2 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:45 am

Anything that Trump does is for our good and the good of the country. :thumb:

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Postby Ibanez » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:19 am

SeattleGriz wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
Dude, Trump is the swamp creature. There is no indication that Sue Gordon has been anything other than an ethical public official. What happened with her is just one more indication of how corrupt Trump is.
The game is over. Why do you think Coats was shown the door. He's slow walking information the public needs to see.

You bother to read the Rosemary Collyer FISA abuse report I posted. The government was caught fucking spying on Americans.

You're stuck on Trump when you should be more worried about your civil liberties.

You didn't think this would happen after 9/11 eventually? I don't think this is a Dem vs Rep thing. This is our government overstepping the 4th amendment.

They need a few brush back pitches. Get the game back to where it should be.

Sue Gordon wasn't going to allow that.

Wasn't Sue Gordon not allowed to brief POTUS b/c she would discuss Russia? We know how sensitive Trump is.
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Postby UNI88 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:26 am

mainejeff2 wrote:Anything that Trump does is for our good and the good of the country. :thumb:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Postby JohnStOnge » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:55 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
Dude, Trump is the swamp creature. There is no indication that Sue Gordon has been anything other than an ethical public official. What happened with her is just one more indication of how corrupt Trump is.
The game is over. Why do you think Coats was shown the door. He's slow walking information the public needs to see.

You bother to read the Rosemary Collyer FISA abuse report I posted. The government was caught **** spying on Americans.

You're stuck on Trump when you should be more worried about your civil liberties.

You didn't think this would happen after 9/11 eventually? I don't think this is a Dem vs Rep thing. This is our government overstepping the 4th amendment.

They need a few brush back pitches. Get the game back to where it should be.

Sue Gordon wasn't going to allow that.


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Postby SeattleGriz » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:57 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:The game is over. Why do you think Coats was shown the door. He's slow walking information the public needs to see.

You bother to read the Rosemary Collyer FISA abuse report I posted. The government was caught **** spying on Americans.

You're stuck on Trump when you should be more worried about your civil liberties.

You didn't think this would happen after 9/11 eventually? I don't think this is a Dem vs Rep thing. This is our government overstepping the 4th amendment.

They need a few brush back pitches. Get the game back to where it should be.

Sue Gordon wasn't going to allow that.


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Postby SeattleGriz » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:37 pm

Former Overstock CEO has good stuff to say. Political espionage by the Obama admin.
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Postby JohnStOnge » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:42 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:Former Overstock CEO has good stuff to say. Political espionage by the Obama admin.


Yes, I saw that. Two things:

One: it is an allegation that's been denied and has not been confirmed.

Two: If it IS true that the FBI asked him to rekindle a relationship with Butina I do not see that as a big deal. I do not see that as a "deep state" thing. I see it as a law enforcement agency asking a potential informant with a connection to use that connection.
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Postby SeattleGriz » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:47 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Former Overstock CEO has good stuff to say. Political espionage by the Obama admin.


Yes, I saw that. Two things:

One: it is an allegation that's been denied and has not been confirmed.

Two: If it IS true that the FBI asked him to rekindle a relationship with Butina I do not see that as a big deal. I do not see that as a "deep state" thing. I see it as a law enforcement agency asking a potential informant with a connection to use that connection.
I haven't seen the clip, just read he's pretty much loony - disclaimer.

The issue with Butina is this. He's wealthy and connected, and if he's introducing Butina to people, it's a whole lot easier to get a FISA on a Russian.

Remember the two hop rule? You tie her to anyone and you get to listen in on a vast swath.
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Postby JohnStOnge » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:05 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
The issue with Butina is this. He's wealthy and connected, and if he's introducing Butina to people, it's a whole lot easier to get a FISA on a Russian.

Remember the two hop rule? You tie her to anyone and you get to listen in on a vast swath.


And why is that "bad" or indicative of a "deep State" thing?
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Postby SeattleGriz » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:08 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:
The issue with Butina is this. He's wealthy and connected, and if he's introducing Butina to people, it's a whole lot easier to get a FISA on a Russian.

Remember the two hop rule? You tie her to anyone and you get to listen in on a vast swath.


And why is that "bad" or indicative of a "deep State" thing?
Because they are trying to circumvent the 4th amendment to surveil Americans. They didn't a crap about Butina, they simply needed an easy way to surveil Americans.
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Postby JohnStOnge » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:17 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
And why is that "bad" or indicative of a "deep State" thing?
Because they are trying to circumvent the 4th amendment to surveil Americans. They didn't a crap about Butina, they simply needed an easy way to surveil Americans.


That is nonsense. The FBI asking someone to cultivate a relationship with someone else in order to develop evidence is not circumventing the 4th amendment.

What about the 4th Amendment do you think was violated by the FBI asking this guy to resume his relationship with the woman (if that is even true)?
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Postby SeattleGriz » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:38 am

JohnStOnge wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Because they are trying to circumvent the 4th amendment to surveil Americans. They didn't a crap about Butina, they simply needed an easy way to surveil Americans.


That is nonsense. The FBI asking someone to cultivate a relationship with someone else in order to develop evidence is not circumventing the 4th amendment.

What about the 4th Amendment do you think was violated by the FBI asking this guy to resume his relationship with the woman (if that is even true)?


Let me answer your question with a question.

What is Butina in jail for? My point in asking this, is because it looks as if the charges were very weak, meaning that they were simply using her as a means to listen in on whoever they wanted.

You can't circumvent the 4th whenever you want by using a non-guilty Russian.

Of course we'll have to wait and see what the truth is. Like I originally said, the guy seemed a bit loony.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
And why is that "bad" or indicative of a "deep State" thing?
Because they are trying to circumvent the 4th amendment to surveil Americans. They didn't a crap about Butina, they simply needed an easy way to surveil Americans.


Wouldn't they be derelict in their duty if they didn't surveil Americans who hang out with Russian spies? :coffee:
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Postby houndawg » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:46 am

SeattleGriz wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
That is nonsense. The FBI asking someone to cultivate a relationship with someone else in order to develop evidence is not circumventing the 4th amendment.

What about the 4th Amendment do you think was violated by the FBI asking this guy to resume his relationship with the woman (if that is even true)?


Let me answer your question with a question.

What is Butina in jail for? My point in asking this, is because it looks as if the charges were very weak, meaning that they were simply using her as a means to listen in on whoever they wanted.

You can't circumvent the 4th whenever you want by using a non-guilty Russian.

Of course we'll have to wait and see what the truth is. Like I originally said, the guy seemed a bit loony.


The government can hold anybody for as long as they want to hold them and they don't need any charges to do it. If you want to get rich quick get your nose into the Federal Child-Trafficing Agency trough. $775 per diem for each brown kid you can catch and hold. :thumb:
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houndawg wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Because they are trying to circumvent the 4th amendment to surveil Americans. They didn't a crap about Butina, they simply needed an easy way to surveil Americans.


Wouldn't they be derelict in their duty if they didn't surveil Americans who hang out with Russian spies? :coffee:
That's what we will find out. Was she really a spy, or were they simply using the guise of a spy.

After seeing the FBI use previous informant Carter Paige as a supposed spy, only to never charge him, it makes me lean towards "fake spy".
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SeattleGriz wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Wouldn't they be derelict in their duty if they didn't surveil Americans who hang out with Russian spies? :coffee:
That's what we will find out. Was she really a spy, or were they simply using the guise of a spy.

After seeing the FBI use previous informant Carter Paige as a supposed spy, only to never charge him, it makes me lean towards "fake spy".


Yeah, she's just trying to bring the second amendment to Russia. :coffee:

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Postby BDKJMU » Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:23 pm

Lawrence O’Donnell at MSNBC forced to apologize over MSNBC fake news story of Trump banking ties to Russian oligarchs.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4592 ... ussian?amp
Of course this was after all these other Trump hating peddlers of fake news at other media outlets gleefully reported on the story..

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Postby JohnStOnge » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:45 pm

BDKJMU wrote:Lawrence O’Donnell at MSNBC forced to apologize over MSNBC fake news story of Trump banking ties to Russian oligarchs.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4592 ... ussian?amp
Of course this was after all these other Trump hating peddlers of fake news at other media outlets gleefully reported on the story..


What that tells you is that the media correct themselves. Trump does not.
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Postby css75 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:15 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Lawrence O’Donnell at MSNBC forced to apologize over MSNBC fake news story of Trump banking ties to Russian oligarchs.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4592 ... ussian?amp
Of course this was after all these other Trump hating peddlers of fake news at other media outlets gleefully reported on the story..


What that tells you is that the media correct themselves. Trump does not.



Or that Trump is right all along and your media lies.


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