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Re: Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

Postby Skjellyfetti » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:01 am

89Hen wrote:I honestly can't believe Jelly is digging this thread up again.


It's not like it takes much digging since people requested it be stickied. :thumb:
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Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over

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Postby Skjellyfetti » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:06 am

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Skjellyfetti wrote:Awww. Barr is going to have to appoint Durham to investigate the Durham investigation. :(



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html



According to this article, Mifsud is not a US intelligence asset? No shit.

WaPo was screaming he was a Russian asset all up until Mueller. Remember, Mifsud was key to the Russians having emails on Hillary.

This is narrative setting by WaPo. I love how it's titled a right wing theory, but can't seem to find any headlines on how their left wing theory of collusion was busted by Mueller.


How was Mifsud debunked as Russian asset by Mueller?
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Cid1990 wrote:It is going to be a sad day for a lot of people when all that comes of all of this is Flynn getting whacked.

Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over

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Re: Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

Postby CID1990 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:35 pm

Where the spin, fellas?

The Horowitz report is out. I’m anxious to hear about dossiers and FISA warrants!

Boy, there might be more prosecutions after the Durham inquiry than the original Mueller inquiry produced!


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Postby Skjellyfetti » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:10 pm

CID1990 wrote:Boy, there might be more prosecutions after the Durham inquiry than the original Mueller inquiry produced!


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Cid1990 wrote:It is going to be a sad day for a lot of people when all that comes of all of this is Flynn getting whacked.

Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over

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Postby kalm » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:26 pm

CID1990 wrote:Where the spin, fellas?

The Horowitz report is out. I’m anxious to hear about dossiers and FISA warrants!

Boy, there might be more prosecutions after the Durham inquiry than the original Mueller inquiry produced!


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What’s being reported? Is the FBI in deep doo doo over this?
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Postby Skjellyfetti » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:18 pm

Mistakes, but no political bias in FBI probe of Trump campaign
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1YD11L
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Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over

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Postby CID1990 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:44 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Boy, there might be more prosecutions after the Durham inquiry than the original Mueller inquiry produced!


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NOW you want an avatar bet, Reek?

I said, "might"... I did not say I was certain.

I'll let you know when I'm sure. There will definitely be some discipline over it. Particularly for the person who lied about subsequent modifications to the FISA warrant requests.
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Postby CID1990 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:46 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Mistakes, but no political bias in FBI probe of Trump campaign
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1YD11L


That's a very kind way to put it.
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Postby CID1990 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:53 pm

Comey and Reek: "Mistakes were made."


"That so many basic and fundamental errors were made by three separate, hand-picked teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command’s management and supervision of the FISA process. FBI Headquarters established a chain of command for Crossfire Hurricane that included close supervision by senior CD managers, who then briefed FBI leadership throughout the investigation. Although we do not expect managers and supervisors to know every fact about an investigation, or senior officials to know all the details of cases about which they are briefed, in a sensitive, high-priority matter like this one, it is reasonable to expect that they will take the necessary steps to ensure that they are sufficiently familiar with the facts and circumstances supporting and potentially undermining a FISA application in order to provide effective oversight, consistent with their level of supervisory responsibility. We concluded that the information that was known to the managers, supervisors, and senior officials should have resulted in questions being raised regarding the reliability of the Steele reporting and the probable cause supporting the FISA applications, but did not. In our view, this was a failure of not only the operational team, but also of the managers and supervisors, including senior officials, in the chain of command.

For these reasons, we recommend that the FBI review the performance of the employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers and supervisors in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation, including senior officials, and take any action deemed appropriate."

Yeah :coffee:

This was an IG inspection which means they do not deal with the interagency. Their purview was purely internal. This above ^^^^^ is a huge red flag that there are bigger things in the mail - things that would not be within Horowitz's purview, but for which Durham's inquiry will certainly expand on. The language above is IG-speak for major fuck up.
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Postby CID1990 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:59 pm

FISA warrant relied completely on the Steele dossier.

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Postby Skjellyfetti » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:07 pm

CID1990 wrote:FISA warrant relied completely on the Steele dossier.

:coffee:


Where does it say that in the report?

An entire FISA warrant application was released months ago... which showed it did not rely completely on the Steele dossier. :suspicious:
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Postby SDHornet » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:38 pm



Nothing to see here, move along...

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Postby CID1990 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:46 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:
CID1990 wrote:FISA warrant relied completely on the Steele dossier.

:coffee:


Where does it say that in the report?

An entire FISA warrant application was released months ago... which showed it did not rely completely on the Steele dossier. :suspicious:


You need to go read the IG report, Reeek.

The report indicates that the entire substantive portion of the application relied on the Steele dossier, and the same IG report also determines that the Steele dossier was completely unreliable and unverified, that this was known to the FBI agents making the application, and that those key facts about it were omitted.
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Postby CID1990 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm

SDHornet wrote:

Nothing to see here, move along...


Durham is saying essentially what I said - the IG's purview was internal only. As damning as it is, there will be more to come from Durham's investigation.
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Postby SDHornet » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Where does it say that in the report?

An entire FISA warrant application was released months ago... which showed it did not rely completely on the Steele dossier. :suspicious:


You need to go read the IG report, Reeek.

The report indicates that the entire substantive portion of the application relied on the Steele dossier, and the same IG report also determines that the Steele dossier was completely unreliable and unverified, that this was known to the FBI agents making the application, and that those key facts about it were omitted.

jelly remembers, he's just being coy (or he's just retarded). The whole "salacious and unverified" was known of well before this report hit the wire...in fact it made a great clip that I'm sure made it's way into this thread somewhere.

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Postby SeattleGriz » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:52 am

Skjellyfetti wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Boy, there might be more prosecutions after the Durham inquiry than the original Mueller inquiry produced!


Avatar bet?


I lost faith in our government a long time ago, although Barr seems to be on the right track.

Still sticking with my original prediction. Nobody of significance gets in trouble.
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Postby CID1990 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:12 pm

Hoo boy...

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... ia-924944/

Throw in some media malfeasance to boot:

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4 ... rest-of-us

^^^^this is how you get softheaded people to buy in to conspiracy theories. It’s like Q-Anon receiving favorable reporting from the NYT




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Postby GannonFan » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:20 pm

CID1990 wrote:Hoo boy...

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... ia-924944/

Throw in some media malfeasance to boot:

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4 ... rest-of-us

^^^^this is how you get softheaded people to buy in to conspiracy theories. It’s like Q-Anon receiving favorable reporting from the NYT




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Yikes indeed. It's amazing, though, in this political environment, about how skillful at parsing each branch of the news is - there's so much bias out there you really do have a hard time believing anyone. CNN will have you believe the FBI was fully exonerated of malfeasance from this report, where FOX will tell you this is the smoking gun that points to unreasonable 4 years of investigations into Trump. And shockingly, it appears, FOX is actually closer to the truth in all of this. I thought this last line in Taibbi's piece was the most pertinent...

No matter what people think the political meaning of the Horowitz report might be, reporters who read it will know: Anybody who touched this nonsense in print should be embarrassed.


It's like he's almost calling out Skelly by name and saying he should be embarrassed over all of this. :nod:
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Postby CID1990 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:22 pm

Oof...

Another conspiracy theorist’s meme down the drain...

The Nunes memo was mostly correct.


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Postby SDHornet » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:50 pm

CID1990 wrote:Oof...

Another conspiracy theorist’s meme down the drain...

The Nunes memo was mostly correct.


https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/20 ... plication/

Member when jellybelly posted msm article after msm article claiming the statements and claims Nunes was making were false?

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Boy did this blow up spectacularly in belly's face...

..and of course all the Deep Stater's and msm jackoffs that pedaled this Trump Russia Hoax. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Postby SDHornet » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:04 pm

From Cid's Hill piece linked above:

Despite this shockingly damning report, much of the media is reporting only that Horowitz did not find it unreasonable to start the investigation, and ignoring a litany of false representations and falsifications of evidence to keep the secret investigation going. Nothing was found to support any of those allegations, and special counsel Robert Mueller also confirmed there was no support for collusion and conspiracy allegations repeated continuously for two years by many experts and members of Congress.


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Postby CID1990 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:41 pm

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CID1990 wrote:Boy, there might be more prosecutions after the Durham inquiry than the original Mueller inquiry produced!


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Postby Skjellyfetti » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:36 pm

Yeah, I agree that that guy has a good chance of getting indicted.

But, Durham has a long way to go if he's going to pass Mueller. At this point, Mueller had already charged Manafort, Gates, and Flynn.

And, that guy is more like a van der Zwaan or Pinedo indictment than any of those. :coffee:
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Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over

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Postby CID1990 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:08 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Yeah, I agree that that guy has a good chance of getting indicted.

But, Durham has a long way to go if he's going to pass Mueller. At this point, Mueller had already charged Manafort, Gates, and Flynn.

And, that guy is more like a van der Zwaan or Pinedo indictment than any of those. :coffee:


The real kicker is that any Durham indictments will be directly related to crimes committed in pursuit of a conspiracy theory.

In other words, actually related to the purpose and scope of the investigation.

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