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Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:51 pm
by 93henfan
Last week, PepsiCo blamed a 43 percent drop in business on the new tax and announced it would be laying off 80 to 100 area employees (out of 423) over the next few months. Similarly, Canada Dry gave pink slips, effective March 5, to 25 of its workers. Retailers are also feeling the pinch, with Jeff Brown, owner of Brown’s Super Stores, saying he expects to ax 300 employees at his company’s six Philadelphia ShopRite stores this spring.
http://nypost.com/2017/03/05/phillys-so ... -business/
Two weeks ago, we pointed out that when Philadelphia became the first US city to pass a soda tax last summer, city officials were eagerly looking forward to the surplus-tax funded windfall to plug gaping budget deficits (and, since this is Philadelphia, the occasional embezzlement scheme). Then, one month ago, after the tax went into effect on January 1st we showed the tax applied in practice: a receipt for a 10 pack of flavored water carried a 51% beverage tax. And since PA has a sales tax of 6% and Philly already charges another 2%, the total sales tax was 8%. In other words, a purchase which until last year came to $6.47 had overnight become $9.75.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-0 ... s-soda-tax

Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:03 pm
by Chizzang
It's a poor and stupid tax...
Seriously the only people that drink carbonated sugar drinks are
1) Teenagers
2) The Under employed
3) Outright Poor
4) Stupid People
Those are statistical facts
(Kelley Ann Conway style facts)
BTW: Marijuana is taxed 50% in Washington State
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:21 am
by kalm
93henfan wrote:Last week, PepsiCo blamed a 43 percent drop in business on the new tax and announced it would be laying off 80 to 100 area employees (out of 423) over the next few months. Similarly, Canada Dry gave pink slips, effective March 5, to 25 of its workers. Retailers are also feeling the pinch, with Jeff Brown, owner of Brown’s Super Stores, saying he expects to ax 300 employees at his company’s six Philadelphia ShopRite stores this spring.
http://nypost.com/2017/03/05/phillys-so ... -business/
Two weeks ago, we pointed out that when Philadelphia became the first US city to pass a soda tax last summer, city officials were eagerly looking forward to the surplus-tax funded windfall to plug gaping budget deficits (and, since this is Philadelphia, the occasional embezzlement scheme). Then, one month ago, after the tax went into effect on January 1st we showed the tax applied in practice: a receipt for a 10 pack of flavored water carried a 51% beverage tax. And since PA has a sales tax of 6% and Philly already charges another 2%, the total sales tax was 8%. In other words, a purchase which until last year came to $6.47 had overnight become $9.75.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-0 ... s-soda-tax

I'm no math genius, but those numbers seem suspicious.
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:02 am
by Ivytalk
Jim Kenney is an ultramaroon.
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:05 am
by Pwns
Chizzang wrote:It's a poor and stupid tax...
Seriously the only people that drink carbonated sugar drinks are
1) Teenagers
2) The Under employed
3) Outright Poor
4) Stupid People
Those are statistical facts
(Kelley Ann Conway style facts)
BTW: Marijuana is taxed 50% in Washington State
There's no doubt in my mind that this is a super-regressive tax. Much like the liberal-beloved tobacco tax.
But what does evidence-based policy matter when you can feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside that you took it to the corporate fat cats who are trying to make everyone diabetic.
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:11 am
by bandl
Chizzang wrote:It's a poor and stupid tax...
Seriously the only people that drink carbonated sugar drinks are
1) Teenagers
2) The Under employed
3) Outright Poor
4) Stupid People
Those are statistical facts
(Kelley Ann Conway style facts)
BTW: Marijuana is taxed 50% in Washington State
5) Fatties (Item #1 above + #2 + #3 + #4 = 5)
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:52 am
by 89Hen
Chizzang wrote:It's a poor and stupid tax...
Seriously the only people that drink carbonated sugar drinks are
1) Teenagers
2) The Under employed
3) Outright Poor
4) Stupid People
Those are statistical facts
(Kelley Ann Conway style facts)
BTW: Marijuana is taxed 50% in Washington State
So you're OK with a 50% marijuana tax which taxes the exact same people you listed above?
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:02 am
by Grizalltheway
89Hen wrote:Chizzang wrote:It's a poor and stupid tax...
Seriously the only people that drink carbonated sugar drinks are
1) Teenagers
2) The Under employed
3) Outright Poor
4) Stupid People
Those are statistical facts
(Kelley Ann Conway style facts)
BTW: Marijuana is taxed 50% in Washington State
So you're OK with a 50% marijuana tax which taxes the exact same people you listed above?
Is there anything in his post that suggests he isn't?
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:03 am
by kalm
89Hen wrote:Chizzang wrote:It's a poor and stupid tax...
Seriously the only people that drink carbonated sugar drinks are
1) Teenagers
2) The Under employed
3) Outright Poor
4) Stupid People
Those are statistical facts
(Kelley Ann Conway style facts)
BTW: Marijuana is taxed 50% in Washington State
So you're OK with a 50% marijuana tax which taxes the exact same people you listed above?
No. Weed is less harmful than pop and I don't care for either tax.
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:12 am
by Gil Dobie
Pepsi could push their Aquafina bottled water, Dasani for Coca-Cola.
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:12 am
by GannonFan
Sin taxes are generally risky things to undertake - when government starts deciding what is and isn't a sin then you get questionable results. Obviously abusing most anything results in negative consequences. But we do have freedom in this country to make bad choices if we want to. This tax, though, is a poorly conceived tax also simply because of it's scope - the city of Philadelphia is not that big in the grand scheme of things - if you want to avoid the tax, you don't need to go very far to buy the same beverage at a fraction of the cost. So of course people do that and and as a result, jobs in the city are lost. The city has countered that it's also hired something like 250 preschool teachers (the tax is supposed to go to funding of early intervention schooling, but once it was implemented more than half of it went to other priorities) so there's suspicious numbers on both sides.
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:14 am
by Gil Dobie
kalm wrote:89Hen wrote:
So you're OK with a 50% marijuana tax which taxes the exact same people you listed above?
No. Weed is less harmful than pop and I don't care for either tax.
Water is less harmful that either and sold by Pepsi Co.
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:22 am
by Chizzang
89Hen wrote:Chizzang wrote:It's a poor and stupid tax...
Seriously the only people that drink carbonated sugar drinks are
1) Teenagers
2) The Under employed
3) Outright Poor
4) Stupid People
Those are statistical facts
(Kelley Ann Conway style facts)
BTW: Marijuana is taxed 50% in Washington State
So you're OK with a 50% marijuana tax which taxes the exact same people you listed above?
Am I okay with it..?
Are you kidding me - I love it..!!!
Actually it's not so much "love it" as I find it hilarious and high impact "Troll Ready"

Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:19 am
by BDKJMU
kalm wrote:89Hen wrote:
So you're OK with a 50% marijuana tax which taxes the exact same people you listed above?
No. Weed is less harmful than pop and I don't care for either tax.
Nice troll..
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:30 am
by kalm
BDKJMU wrote:kalm wrote:
No. Weed is less harmful than pop and I don't care for either tax.
Nice troll..
Sugar is a killer. Weed is not.

Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:41 am
by BDKJMU
kalm wrote:BDKJMU wrote:
Nice troll..
Sugar is a killer. Weed is not.

You may as well go ahead and claim every food & drink that has sugar in it is a 'killer' and weed is not..

Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:44 am
by BDKJMU
Have a group of people drink a 6 pack of soda a day for a year. Have another group smoke 6 joints a day for a year. Then compare the 2 to see which was more harmful..
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:44 am
by kalm
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:17 am
by Gil Dobie
kalm wrote:BDKJMU wrote:
Nice troll..
Sugar is a killer. Weed is not.

Well, I won't ride in a vehicle where I know the driver has been smoking weed or drinking, but I will ride in a car of a person drinking soda pop. There is the internal health damage for sugar, but there is also an associated risk with weed.
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:31 am
by Ibanez
BDKJMU wrote:Have a group of people drink a 6 pack of soda a day for a year. Have another group smoke 6 joints a day for a year. Then compare the 2 to see which was more harmful..
Aside from comparing apples to oranges...i think it's generally understood that drinking 6 sodas a day isn't healthy. 270mg (I think 1,500mg/daily is suggested) of Sodium and 234g (I think 100-150g/daily is suggested) of Sugar just from the beverages is a lot.
I'd like to see the results of that study though. Actually,a few studies.
Take this with a grain of salt but...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/1 ... 49974.html
Sugar, an additive to many kinds of food and drink, is difficult to avoid. The American Heart Association recommends that women get no more than 100 of their daily calories from added sugars, while for men the upper limit is 150 calories. However, for many people around the world, added sugars are contributing an additional 500 calories a day.
Sugary sodas can be so dangerous, doctors say that soda intake should be limited to less than one can of soda per day.
And what about marijuana? The drug is not without some health risks. Excessive use can lead to respiratory discomfort (although the drug itself does not impair lung function). Among people prone to the development of psychosis, research has shown that smoking pot can lead to an earlier onset of the disorder. And there’s understandable concern about adolescent marijuana use and its effects on the developing brain.
Still, in at least 10,000 years of human consumption, there have been no documented deaths as a result of marijuana overdose. It only takes 10 times the recommended serving of alcohol to lead to death, a recreational drug study from American Scientist found. By contrast, a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times the amount of THC in a joint in order to be at risk of dying, according to a 1988 ruling from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
Meanwhile, a number of studies in recent years have demonstrated the medical potential of pot. Purified forms of cannabis can be effective at attacking some forms of aggressive cancer. Marijuana use has also been tied to better blood sugar control, and may help slow the spread of HIV. Legalization of the plant for medical purposes may even lead to lower suicide rates.
“Anyone who takes a truly objective look at the evidence surrounding these substances could not possibly arrive at any other conclusion,” Mason Tvert, communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project, told The Huffington Post. “The public’s understanding of marijuana is more in line with the facts than ever before. Marijuana is not entirely harmless, but there is no longer any doubt that it poses far less harm to the consumer than many of the legal products engrained in American culture.”
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:33 am
by kalm
BDKJMU wrote:Have a group of people drink a 6 pack of soda a day for a year. Have another group smoke 6 joints a day for a year. Then compare the 2 to see which was more harmful..
How about 6 joints compared to a case of pop?

Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:36 am
by Skjellyfetti
It only takes 10x the recommended serving of alcohol to lead to death?
Was this a study on 16 year old girls?
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:38 am
by Skjellyfetti
kalm wrote:BDKJMU wrote:Have a group of people drink a 6 pack of soda a day for a year. Have another group smoke 6 joints a day for a year. Then compare the 2 to see which was more harmful..
How about 6 joints compared to a case of pop?

Yeah, seriously. 6 joints a day is pretty fucking heavy use.

Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:43 am
by Grizalltheway
Skjellyfetti wrote:kalm wrote:
How about 6 joints compared to a case of pop?

Yeah, seriously. 6 joints a day is pretty fucking heavy use.

That's like Sublime level of use.
Re: Philadelphia Soda Tax = Jobs Lost
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:16 am
by bandl
BDKJMU wrote:Have a group of people drink a 6 pack of soda a day for a year. Have another group smoke 6 joints a day for a year. Then compare the 2 to see which was more harmful..
Those two groups are not, in any way, shape or form, mutually exclusive. Neither group could exist without the other.