NEVER has a president relished being put under the microscope like this.ASUG8 wrote:NEVER has a president been put under the microscope like this.
1) Can you admit he brings much of it on himself?ASUG8 wrote:NEVER has a president been put under the microscope like this.
Skjellyfetti wrote:US ground troops now on the ground in Syria.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... SKBN16G1CB
State Department ok's arms sale to Saudi Arabia Obama administration blocked
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 20821.html
Drone strikes up over 400% in Yemen since Trump became President
http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2017/03/02/t ... -of-power/
kalm wrote:1) Can you admit he brings much of it on himself? Absolutely - he should have turned his phone over the second he lifted his hand from the bible. But not even Obama faced this much media scrutiny in his first 60 days.ASUG8 wrote:NEVER has a president been put under the microscope like this.
2) Link? My opinion, but I bet you agree.
But Trump is going to be different...Skjellyfetti wrote:US ground troops now on the ground in Syria.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... SKBN16G1CB
State Department ok's arms sale to Saudi Arabia Obama administration blocked
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 20821.html
Drone strikes up over 400% in Yemen since Trump became President
http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2017/03/02/t ... -of-power/
kalm wrote:Here's a very detailed story on the Al Gahyil raid. Turns out, there had even been some bad guys there...who happened to be on our side in the Yemen War. The Pentagon also released video footage of the computer and devices we were really after...then took it down after someone pointed out the clip was 10 years old. But hey...at least after killing a bunch of little kids we had the good graces to kill hundreds of livestock but leave enough survivors to hate America forever.
What a clusterfuck.
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/09/wom ... seal-raid/
Uh...none of those folks are on "our" side....whatever "our" side is.Uh That's kind of my point. Many of them are on our side enough to give them money and weapons...and kiss their rings...SDHornet wrote:kalm wrote:Here's a very detailed story on the Al Gahyil raid. Turns out, there had even been some bad guys there...who happened to be on our side in the Yemen War. The Pentagon also released video footage of the computer and devices we were really after...then took it down after someone pointed out the clip was 10 years old. But hey...at least after killing a bunch of little kids we had the good graces to kill hundreds of livestock but leave enough survivors to hate America forever.
What a clusterfuck.
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/09/wom ... seal-raid/
That does explain why Obama adjusted the definition of a civilian casualty though.kalm wrote:Uh That's kind of my point. Many of them are on our side enough to give them money and weapons...and kiss their rings...SDHornet wrote:
"The media" scrutinized Obama?ASUG8 wrote:kalm wrote:
1) Can you admit he brings much of it on himself? Absolutely - he should have turned his phone over the second he lifted his hand from the bible. But not even Obama faced this much media scrutiny in his first 60 days.
2) Link? My opinion, but I bet you agree.
True, the media was busy laying palm fronds at his feet as he walked. Even the birther stuff paled in comparison to what Trump is dealing with and (to klam's point) much of it is self inflicted.Baldy wrote:"The media" scrutinized Obama?ASUG8 wrote:
A problem (and not the only one) with the article, and many such articles, is that they carefully edited it to minimize the fact that Obama got us rolling in that area. Obama's so called effort to limit civilian casualties is a farce. As pointed out in the article, 12 civilians were killed in a wedding drone attack under Obama, and they list several other civilian casualties...but they did not emphasize Obama was responsible as they are emphasizing Trump's responsibility. And, even worse, under Obama, we had American advisers inside the Saudi command centers while the Saudis routinely bombed Yemen hospitals and civilian targets. Our excuse? Even though we helped the Saudis identify targets, we didn't actually make the final calls regarding where the Saudi air force bombed.kalm wrote:Uh That's kind of my point. Many of them are on our side enough to give them money and weapons...and kiss their rings...SDHornet wrote:
But hey, we watched them, in the same room, conduct those missions time after time. SDHornet wrote:That does explain why Obama adjusted the definition of a civilian casualty though.kalm wrote:
Uh That's kind of my point. Many of them are on our side enough to give them money and weapons...and kiss their rings...
We had protesters on the corner of 4th and historic Highway 61 during the Bush administration. They have been gone for 8 years. Expect to see them again, as regular as the Robins return in the Spring.Baldy wrote:"The media" scrutinized Obama?ASUG8 wrote:
Bush came close, unless you discount the "fake news" microscope that that paragon of integrity, Dan Rather, put him underCAA Flagship wrote:NEVER has a president relished being put under the microscope like this.ASUG8 wrote:NEVER has a president been put under the microscope like this.
Bill Clinton received zero scrutiny.CID1990 wrote:Bush came close, unless you discount the "fake news" microscope that that paragon of integrity, Dan Rather, put him underCAA Flagship wrote: NEVER has a president relished being put under the microscope like this.
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He got some from what's her name with the crusty blue dresskalm wrote:Bill Clinton received zero scrutiny.CID1990 wrote:
Bush came close, unless you discount the "fake news" microscope that that paragon of integrity, Dan Rather, put him under
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