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Only two groups in our society promote the “Quran teaches terrorism” myth: anti-Muslim pundits and Isis extremists. Both are wrong.

This simplistic conclusion ignores that many groups in many countries are experiencing terror right now. It ignores the international arms trade from powerful western nations that wholly disregards human rights and has caused the death of more than 60,000 children in Yemen. And it ignores the fact that as Somalians suffer a massive famine Western media virtually ignores them – as it has ignored the Syrian crisis for the last several years.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/isl ... ebook-post

Attention ISIS.....you're doing Islam wrong. Go back to bible school.

The Jihad of education is the death blow to terrorism, and the lifeblood of universal human rights. And I invite you to that true Jihad.

Never less than 60% of polled Muslims believe THE WORLD should function under Sharia Law...

Which includes these charming rules

• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Religion of Peace).
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Errors in Quran).
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

Sharia Law refers to many different things, though (read the article).

There are hardliners who argue all of the above should be followed.

There are moderates who believe this is a part of Sharia:
“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

Obviously the hardliners reject that.

There is no standard for what exactly Sharia Law entails.

Just like there are moderate Christians who believe it's simply a sin to be gay. There are progressive Christians who don't condemn homosexuality (Episcopalians, for example). There are also fanatics who think gays should be executed.

Having said that... I don't want moderate Christians or moderate Muslims drafting laws in the US just based off the Bible or Quran... much less fanatics. But, saying that 60% of Muslims believe Sharia Law means that 60% of Muslims believe everything on your list is flat wrong. There are plenty of disagreements between Sunni and Shia about things on your list. There is a lot of disagreement between moderates and fundamentalists about things on your list.

Skjellyfetti wrote:Sharia Law refers to many different things, though (read the article).

There are hardliners who argue all of the above should be followed.

There are moderates who believe this is a part of Sharia:
“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

Obviously the hardliners reject that.

There is no standard for what exactly Sharia Law entails.

Just like there are moderate Christians who believe it's simply a sin to be gay. There are progressive Christians who don't condemn homosexuality (Episcopalians, for example). There are also fanatics who think gays should be executed.

Having said that... I don't want moderate Christians or moderate Muslims drafting laws in the US just based off the Bible or Quran... much less fanatics. But, saying that 60% of Muslims believe Sharia Law means that 60% of Muslims believe everything on your list is flat wrong. There are plenty of disagreements between Sunni and Shia about things on your list. There is a lot of disagreement between moderates and fundamentalists about things on your list.

Yeah ^ I've read the Reza Aslan apologetics report card
But he never mentions PEW research and those who favor Sharia punishments

Islam needs a full REFORMATION... Just like Judaism and Christianity and Hindu

Hmmmm, I thought Islam was the religion of peace?

Chizzang wrote:

What's the point here?

Religious folks usually think they're right and others are wrong.

This seems to say that a slight majority think there is only one interpretation of Islam. Ok. This is why Sunnis think that Shias are wrong.

It doesn't mean there actually only is one interpretation of Islam.

Skjellyfetti wrote:Sharia Law refers to many different things, though (read the article).

There are hardliners who argue all of the above should be followed.

There are moderates who believe this is a part of Sharia:
“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

Obviously the hardliners reject that.

There is no standard for what exactly Sharia Law entails.

Just like there are moderate Christians who believe it's simply a sin to be gay. There are progressive Christians who don't condemn homosexuality (Episcopalians, for example). There are also fanatics who think gays should be executed.

Having said that... I don't want moderate Christians or moderate Muslims drafting laws in the US just based off the Bible or Quran... much less fanatics. But, saying that 60% of Muslims believe Sharia Law means that 60% of Muslims believe everything on your list is flat wrong. There are plenty of disagreements between Sunni and Shia about things on your list. There is a lot of disagreement between moderates and fundamentalists about things on your list.

They also issues with this following tidbit:

Ibn Ishaq, p. 106—[Muhammad said,] “So I read it, and he departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was as though these words were written on my heart. (T. Now none of God's creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed—Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so and then) when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying, “O Muhammad! thou art the apostle of God and I am Gabriel.”

Any energy spent defending Islam is about the same as energy spent defending the Catholic church handling of the thousands and thousands of child abuse cases

Why defend that which isn't asking for defense..?

Islam accepts no defense of it's doctrine
and yet here we are trying to defend it

Chizzang wrote:Never less than 60% of polled Muslims believe THE WORLD should function under Sharia Law...

Which includes these charming rules

• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Religion of Peace).
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Errors in Quran).
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

Its not just them, I want Sharia law as well.

Just to see the liberals squirm from the results of their actions.

Chizzang wrote:Any energy spent defending Islam is about the same as energy spent defending the Catholic church handling of the thousands and thousands of child abuse cases

Why defend that which isn't asking for defense..?

Islam accepts no defense of it's doctrine
and yet here we are trying to defend it

So it's a bad thing when moderate Muslims speak out against radical islam?

kalm wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Any energy spent defending Islam is about the same as energy spent defending the Catholic church handling of the thousands and thousands of child abuse cases

Why defend that which isn't asking for defense..?

Islam accepts no defense of it's doctrine
and yet here we are trying to defend it

So it's a bad thing when moderate Muslims speak out against radical islam?

Universally, they don't
They do what this clown does and say it's not really Islam



kalm, the game is afoot
Muslims en mass are playing hide and seek with doctrine
and their global spokes person and apologist illusionist extraordinaire Reza Aslan is THE master

Instead of typing lackluster one liners you should just post his video clips

Chizzang wrote:

kalm wrote:
So it's a bad thing when moderate Muslims speak out against radical islam?

Universally, they don't
They do what this clown does and say it's not really Islam



kalm, the game is afoot
Muslims en mass are playing hide and seek with doctrine
and their global spokes person and apologist illusionist extraordinaire Reza Aslan is THE master

Instead of typing lackluster one liners you should just post his video clips

Maybe you could read the article and address the conveniently laid out points instead of deflecting?

Honest Question: Does it make more sense to judge a religion by what its holy book says or by how its practitioners behave overall at-large?

Even fundamentalist Christians wouldn't say that someone isn't a Christian because they wear outfits with different fabrics. There's more than a few words to live by in the Bible that even peasants in the middle ages ignored.

"But are they doing what the Quran really says" seems like a completely pointless discussion.

Pwns wrote:Honest Question: Does it make more sense to judge a religion by what its holy book says or by how its practitioners behave overall at-large?

Even fundamentalist Christians wouldn't say that someone isn't a Christian because they wear outfits with different fabrics. There's more than a few words to live by in the Bible that even peasants in the middle ages ignored.

"But are they doing what the Quran really says" seems like a completely pointless discussion.

That's a good point. Lots in the Bible would seem contradictory at best. Vengeful God of the old testament/ Loving God of the New Testament.

On the other hand, two of my favorite co-workers are muslim and I have never met finer people.


Now if you read one day that my throat was slit sitting at my desk while typing messages on cs.com, I'll take that comment back (post mortem )

Chizzang wrote:Any energy spent defending Islam is about the same as energy spent defending the Catholic church handling of the thousands and thousands of child abuse cases

Why defend that which isn't asking for defense..?

Islam accepts no defense of it's doctrine
and yet here we are trying to defend it

My nigga. Rare fist bump.

Grizalltheway wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Universally, they don't
They do what this clown does and say it's not really Islam



kalm, the game is afoot
Muslims en mass are playing hide and seek with doctrine
and their global spokes person and apologist illusionist extraordinaire Reza Aslan is THE master

Instead of typing lackluster one liners you should just post his video clips

Maybe you could read the article and address the conveniently laid out points instead of deflecting?

Just shut up, faggot. Jump off a building please, before we throw you off in the name of Allah.

You'll have to catch me first, Butterbean.

The horror of this situation is that I am going to have to read the Quran so I can say I read the whole thing and this kind of crap is just that: Crap.

But then they'll say I have to learn Arabic and read it in Arabic.

I WILL say that I wouldn't say I think the Quran teaches Terrorism. Terrorism is just a tactic. What I think the Quran teaches is that one is to make everybody else be Muslim through force of arms.

JohnStOnge wrote:The horror of this situation is that I am going to have to read the Quran so I can say I read the whole thing and this kind of crap is just that: Crap.

But then they'll say I have to learn Arabic and read it in Arabic.

I WILL say that I wouldn't say I think the Quran teaches Terrorism. Terrorism is just a tactic. What I think the Quran teaches is that one is to make everybody else be Muslim through force of arms.

You do that and get back to us here with your interpretation of it, in 10,000 words or less..

Speaking of there being a huge different variety of Islam...

Was reading some today about Bashar al-Assad.

Apparently, he is an Alawite... which was new to me... but, pretty interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites

BDKJMU wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:The horror of this situation is that I am going to have to read the Quran so I can say I read the whole thing and this kind of crap is just that: Crap.

But then they'll say I have to learn Arabic and read it in Arabic.

I WILL say that I wouldn't say I think the Quran teaches Terrorism. Terrorism is just a tactic. What I think the Quran teaches is that one is to make everybody else be Muslim through force of arms.

You do that and get back to us here with your interpretation of it, in 10,000 words or less..

No worries. If I ever DO read the Quran I'll just say, "Yep. It says go force everybody to be Muslim." And I'm not going to try to learn Arabic.

Cliffs Notes:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides"

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them"