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California has about the highest tax rate in the country...Governor Moonbeam just signed legislation for another $5 Billion in taxes...and what does that get the Golden State???

The highest poverty rate in the nation...and it's not even close...

Utah looks to be near the bottom for poverty, pretty conservative state financially and a lower overall tax rate. Funny how that works.

FWIW:
Tax foundation FY 2012 (latest they've done) (State-Local Tax Burden as a Percent of State Income) NY the worst, WY the best..
https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/ ... FY2012.pdf

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:Utah looks to be near the bottom for poverty, pretty conservative state financially and a lower overall tax rate. Funny how that works.

I hope thousands of businesses leave CA for Texas and Arizona.

Best part of this raise in gas tax is...wait for it...no increase in level of service for existing infrastructure.

Well done Donks.

This will soak the middle class good.

BDKJMU wrote:FWIW:
Tax foundation FY 2012 (latest they've done) (State-Local Tax Burden as a Percent of State Income) NY the worst, WY the best..
https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/ ... FY2012.pdf

Going by the:
2012 election, if you break it down into 25 Red states (24 states won by Romey + *FL (won by Obama by less than 1%) and the other 25 states as Blue

Definintely a distinct pattern here:
1. NY Blue
2. CT Blue
3. NJ Blue
4. WI Blue
5. IL Blue
6. CA Blue
7. MD Blue
8. MN Blue
9. RI Blue
10. OR Blue
11. VT Blue
12. MA Blue
13. ME Blue
14. HI Blue
15. PA Blue
16. DE Blue
17. AR Red
18. WV Red
19. OH Blue
20. NC Red
21. UT Red
22. IN Red
23. KS Red
24. KY Red
25. MI Blue
26. ID Red
27. VA Blue
28. WA Blue
29. MO Red
30. NE Red
31. IA Blue
32. GA Red
33. ND Red
34. *FL Red
35. CO Blue
36. AZ Red
37. NM Blue
38. MT Red
39. AL Red
40. OK Red
41. MS Red
42. SC Red
43. NV Blue
44. NH Blue
45. LA Red
46. TX Red
47. TN Red
48. WY Red
49. SD Red
50. AK Red

Also, the 2016 election, the 14 highest taxed are 14 of the 20 Clinton won...

Seems like cost of living really skews things.

I know it's accounted for in the numbers, as it should be comparing different states, but is it accounted for on a state level or local level?

California has some exorbitantly expensive places to live - that would throw off the "poverty level" for the rest of the state.

The poverty income in Marin vs. Imperial is like comparing California to Alabama.

The poverty level for California, according to this is ~$30,000. Certainly that is poverty level in some parts of California, but not all.

Skjellyfetti wrote:Seems like cost of living really skews things.

I know it's accounted for in the numbers, as it should be comparing different states, but is it accounted for on a state level or local level?

California has some exorbitantly expensive places to live - that would throw off the "poverty level" for the rest of the state.

The poverty income in Marin vs. Imperial is like comparing California to Alabama.

The poverty level for California, according to this is ~$30,000. Certainly that is poverty level in some parts of California, but not all.

$30k?

Good luck supporting a family for anything under $55k in this place. Donk policies at work.

SDHornet wrote:
Good luck supporting a family for anything under $55k in this place. Donk policies at work.

My point is that California is a huge state.

Looking at the poverty rate for the US as a whole skews it against the poor states. Poverty income in New York isn't the same as Mississippi.

Poverty income in elite, super expensive California isn't comparable to rural, agricultural California.

Median income in Santa Clara is over 90k.

Median income in Lake County is 35k.






Map of California's poverty:



Map of California voting in 2016:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I hope thousands of businesses leave CA for Texas and Arizona.

Nope, they're moving to Montana and bringing their employees with them.

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Skjellyfetti wrote:

SDHornet wrote:
Good luck supporting a family for anything under $55k in this place. Donk policies at work.

My point is that California is a huge state.

Looking at the poverty rate for the US as a whole skews it against the poor states. Poverty income in New York isn't the same as Mississippi.

Poverty income in elite, super expensive California isn't comparable to rural, agricultural California.

Median income in Santa Clara is over 90k.

Median income in Lake County is 35k.


Map of California's poverty:

How's Compton doing? What about Crenshaw?

That 10-14% poverty rate in the San Francisco Bay area, equals over 800,000 people. Ever been to East Oakland.

Link

BDKJMU wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:FWIW:
Tax foundation FY 2012 (latest they've done) (State-Local Tax Burden as a Percent of State Income) NY the worst, WY the best..
https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/ ... FY2012.pdf

Going by the:
2012 election, if you break it down into 25 Red states (24 states won by Romey + *FL (won by Obama by less than 1%) and the other 25 states as Blue

Definintely a distinct pattern here:
1. NY Blue
2. CT Blue
3. NJ Blue
4. WI Blue
5. IL Blue
6. CA Blue
7. MD Blue
8. MN Blue
9. RI Blue
10. OR Blue
11. VT Blue
12. MA Blue
13. ME Blue
14. HI Blue
15. PA Blue
16. DE Blue
17. AR Red
18. WV Red
19. OH Blue
20. NC Red
21. UT Red
22. IN Red
23. KS Red
24. KY Red
25. MI Blue
26. ID Red
27. VA Blue
28. WA Blue
29. MO Red
30. NE Red
31. IA Blue
32. GA Red
33. ND Red
34. *FL Red
35. CO Blue
36. AZ Red
37. NM Blue
38. MT Red
39. AL Red
40. OK Red
41. MS Red
42. SC Red
43. NV Blue
44. NH Blue
45. LA Red
46. TX Red
47. TN Red
48. WY Red
49. SD Red
50. AK Red

Also, the 2016 election, the 14 highest taxed are 14 of the 20 Clinton won...

So 5 the top 10 highest poverty rates are also toward the bottom in tax rates....

As mentioned, many factors.

People tend to bitch about high taxes while enjoying a high standard of living.

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:

It's the Real Thing.

UNI88 wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I hope thousands of businesses leave CA for Texas and Arizona.

Nope, they're moving to Montana and bringing their employees with them.

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Last year, Aerojet Rocketdyne moved their HQ from Sac to Los Angeles. That was a foreboding move, as yesterday they announced the reduction or moving of 1,100 jobs to Alabama. SMH....

UNI88 wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I hope thousands of businesses leave CA for Texas and Arizona.

Nope, they're moving to Montana and bringing their employees with them.

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Fuck that shit, it sucks here and we have the highest taxes in the world plus snow and cold.

Don't come

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A couple of things:

1) I think it's pretty obvious that if you were to look at that image and consider %White population it's obvious that you'd get a negative correlation such that there's a tendency towards lower poverty rates in higher %White population States.

2) For many States there's some mitigation to the poverty rate thing because cost of living is low. For example: Mississippi has a high poverty rate but it also has the lowest cost of living...at least according to the estimates at https://www.missourieconomy.org/indicat ... /index.stm. Poor California has a double whammy. High poverty rate AND high cost of living. Here's a map showing lowest cost of living States in green and highest cost of living States in red:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

UNI88 wrote: Nope, they're moving to Montana and bringing their employees with them.

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**** that ****, it sucks here and we have the highest taxes in the world plus snow and cold.

Don't come

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Too late. Moving trucks are rolling northeast as we type. They should be there soon.

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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/0 ... ornia-law/

Cows can't fart in Kalifonia now.

I'm just glad I locked in my low rate 15 year fixed rate mortgage before housing got back to retard prices again. Sucks to be a blue collar working stiff in this state.

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:
Going by the:
2012 election, if you break it down into 25 Red states (24 states won by Romey + *FL (won by Obama by less than 1%) and the other 25 states as Blue

Definintely a distinct pattern here:
1. NY Blue
2. CT Blue
3. NJ Blue
4. WI Blue
5. IL Blue
6. CA Blue
7. MD Blue
8. MN Blue
9. RI Blue
10. OR Blue
11. VT Blue
12. MA Blue
13. ME Blue
14. HI Blue
15. PA Blue
16. DE Blue
17. AR Red
18. WV Red
19. OH Blue
20. NC Red
21. UT Red
22. IN Red
23. KS Red
24. KY Red
25. MI Blue
26. ID Red
27. VA Blue
28. WA Blue
29. MO Red
30. NE Red
31. IA Blue
32. GA Red
33. ND Red
34. *FL Red
35. CO Blue
36. AZ Red
37. NM Blue
38. MT Red
39. AL Red
40. OK Red
41. MS Red
42. SC Red
43. NV Blue
44. NH Blue
45. LA Red
46. TX Red
47. TN Red
48. WY Red
49. SD Red
50. AK Red

Also, the 2016 election, the 14 highest taxed are 14 of the 20 Clinton won...

So 5 the top 10 highest poverty rates are also toward the bottom in tax rates....

As mentioned, many factors.

People tend to bitch about high taxes while enjoying a high standard of living.

And people that are being taxed to death voted for Clinton... it's almost like they understand