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Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:56 am
by kalm
Couldn't you also make a case that the State shouldn't be assisting any private organization, "secular or neutral aid" included?
The role of government is not to provide used rubber for church playgrounds.
After more than a year of punting, the Supreme Court will finally hear a major church-state case on Wednesday.
In 2012, Trinity Lutheran Church in Missouri applied for a state grant to fix up its pre-school playground. Under the program, Missouri would provide rubber from recycled tires to cover play areas like Trinity Lutheran’s, which had a pea gravel surface that was “unforgiving if/when a child falls.” While the church’s application was ranked high by the state, Missouri declined to grant the money because of a state constitutional provision holding that “no money shall ever be taken from the public treasury, directly or indirectly, in aid of any church, sect, or denomination of religion.”
Trinity Lutheran v. Comer asks whether Missouri can exclude religious institutions from otherwise secular and neutral aid programs under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. This is the first case the court has heard in a decade and a half about providing resources to churches, and the stakes are about more than just tire scraps. The court’s decision could shape future fights over school-voucher programs. It could also speak to the constitutionality of state-level church-funding prohibitions like Missouri’s, which, some scholars say, have a dark and discriminatory past....
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... an/523542/
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:02 am
by Ivytalk
I like Missouri's chances here.
As a small-government guy, I don't think the Feds should be doling out taxpayer-funded goodies to private, secular groups either. But there's no Constitutional prohibition.
And money is speech.
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:07 am
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:I like Missouri's chances here.
As a small-government guy, I don't think the Feds should be doling out taxpayer-funded goodies to private, secular groups either. But there's no Constitutional prohibition.
And money is speech.
So Missouri is just speaking here?
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:22 am
by andy7171
What happened to good old mulch?
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:24 am
by kalm
andy7171 wrote:What happened to good old mulch?
Kids don't bounce.
(and it was laden with cancer causing vermiculite from Montana)
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:28 am
by andy7171
kalm wrote:andy7171 wrote:What happened to good old mulch?
Kids don't bounce.
(and it was laden with cancer causing vermiculite from Montana)
My playground was on concrete. Kids are soft little pussies these days.
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:39 am
by Ibanez
When I was growing up, we attended Catholic school and our playground was the parking lot.
The state shouldn't be doling out public funds to religious groups. Keep them separated. If you want something, go ask your parishioners not the taxpayers.
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:02 am
by Pwns
This is a grant program. You can't deny Trinity Lutheran the chance to apply for and receive the grant any more than you can keep religious-affiliated private colleges from getting government research grants.
A church and state legal expert
pretty much destroyed Missouri's argument.
"A scraped knee is a scraped knee whether it happens at a Montessori daycare or a Lutheran daycare."
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:30 am
by Grizalltheway
kalm wrote:andy7171 wrote:What happened to good old mulch?
Kids don't bounce.
(and it was laden with cancer causing vermiculite from Montana)
Libby is northern Idaho.
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:41 am
by kalm
Grizalltheway wrote:kalm wrote:
Kids don't bounce.
(and it was laden with cancer causing vermiculite from Montana)
Libby is northern Idaho.
No. That would be Troy.
Boom! Small town rivalry smack! Go Loggers!
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:57 am
by andy7171
Loggers? Do they have bathroom colors like UWyoming?
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:05 am
by Grizalltheway
No but they have this crazy mafucker!
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:17 am
by BDKJMU
Ibanez wrote:When I was growing up, we attended Catholic school and our playground was the parking lot.
The state shouldn't be doling out public funds to religious groups. Keep them separated. If you want something, go ask your parishioners not the taxpayers.
Then you would have to say "The state shouldn't be doling out public funds to any groups."
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:21 am
by cx500d
Ivytalk wrote:I like Missouri's chances here.
As a small-government guy, I don't think the Feds should be doling out taxpayer-funded goodies to private, secular groups either. But there's no Constitutional prohibition.
And money is speech.
Kind of like paying Lutheran social services taxpayer money to resettle and support refugees?
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Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:25 am
by Ibanez
BDKJMU wrote:Ibanez wrote:When I was growing up, we attended Catholic school and our playground was the parking lot.
The state shouldn't be doling out public funds to religious groups. Keep them separated. If you want something, go ask your parishioners not the taxpayers.
Then you would have to say "The state shouldn't be doling out public funds to any groups."
No. I wouldn't.
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:26 am
by kalm
Grizalltheway wrote:No but they have this crazy mafucker!
One of the best safeties in the history of the Big Sky also came from there...
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:21 am
by andy7171
Grizalltheway wrote:No but they have this crazy mafucker!
What does that have to do with poop?
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:27 am
by Grizalltheway
andy7171 wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:No but they have this crazy mafucker!
What does that have to do with poop?
As much as the Wyoming Cowboys have to do with the Libby Loggers.
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:27 am
by kalm
andy7171 wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:No but they have this crazy mafucker!
What does that have to do with poop?
The football team used to run out through a tunnel of chainsaw wielding towns folk.
True story.
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:36 am
by andy7171
Grizalltheway wrote:andy7171 wrote:
What does that have to do with poop?
As much as the Wyoming Cowboys have to do with the Libby Loggers.
Doesn't change the fact Wyoming has bathroom colors.
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:43 am
by Grizalltheway
andy7171 wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:
As much as the Wyoming Cowboys have to do with the Libby Loggers.
Doesn't change the fact Wyoming has bathroom colors.
No it doesn't. So does my high school.
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:21 pm
by andy7171
Grizalltheway wrote:andy7171 wrote:
Doesn't change the fact Wyoming has bathroom colors.
No it doesn't. So does my high school.
Nice snap!
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:53 pm
by Grizalltheway
andy7171 wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:
No it doesn't. So does my high school.
Nice snap!
Talk shit all you want, but "we" won 3 straight AA football titles from 2006-2008.
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:17 pm
by dbackjon
Grizalltheway wrote:andy7171 wrote:
Nice snap!
Talk shit all you want, but "we" won 3 straight AA football titles from 2006-2008.
Big Deal. There are what, 4 High Schools in Montana?
Re: Trinity Lutheran vs. Comer
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:25 pm
by Grizalltheway
dbackjon wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:
Talk shit all you want, but "we" won 3 straight AA football titles from 2006-2008.
Big Deal. There are what, 4 High Schools in Montana?
5, you populationist!