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This reads a bit like an Onion piece.

Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference

Donald Trump has a “dangerous mental illness” and is not fit to lead the US, a group of psychiatrists has warned during a conference at Yale University.

Mental health experts claimed the President was “paranoid and delusional”, and said it was their “ethical responsibility” to warn the American public about the “dangers” Mr Trump’s psychological state poses to the country.

Speaking at the conference at Yale’s School of Medicine on Thursday, one of the mental health professionals, Dr John Gartner, a practising psychotherapist who advised psychiatric residents at Johns Hopkins University Medical School, said: “We have an ethical responsibility to warn the public about Donald Trump's dangerous mental illness.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 94316.html

Conservative Supreme Court justice confirmed: check
Pro-business: check
Pro-American worker: check
Pro-borders: check
Mental-illness: maybe, don't care, that's why he has advisers

I actually checked to see if any mental health experts thought he's off before I posted that I thought so. I watched his behavior for a short time and thought, "That guy has mental issues." So I Googled something like "Donald Trump is mentally ill" and had no problem finding opinions by mental health professionals saying he displays characteristics of being mentally ill. Then I went ahead and started posting that I think he's mentally ill.

93henfan wrote:Conservative Supreme Court justice confirmed: check
Pro-business: check
Pro-American worker: check
Pro-borders: check
Mental-illness: maybe, don't care, that's why he has advisers

I recall in another thread you saying Hillary Clinton would've been worse. We'll never know. But I do think Trump represents the far greater risk. I think Clinton would've basically had things continue along status quo. Minimal disruption. She's a mature individual who understands the world.

I think Trump could cause severe disruptive problems at any time. He acts on impulse. He's emotionally immature. He doesn't understand the world. He doesn't know what's going on.

Another thing is that I don't think he's "Pro" anything except "Pro" himself. I think he said what he said about workers, borders, etc. during the campaign because he saw that got a good reaction and he could advance his own interests by saying them. If he decided it would be in his interest to say the opposite tomorrow he'd turn on a dime and do that.

Just like he said that in the first 100 days he'd get China designated as a currency manipulator then last week he says they're not a currency manipulator. Or how he said NATO is obsolete then recently said they're not obsolete anymore because NOW they're going to fight terrorism even though the only time the charter's ever been invoked was to assist the United States in fighting terrorism back in the early 2000s. Or like he said during the campaign that he was going to get rid of the one China policy then shortly after getting inaugurated told China he supports the one China policy.

Oh, and Mexico was going to pay for the wall but now there are rumblings that he wants to use the prospect of a government "shutdown" as leverage to try to get American Taxpayers to pay for the wall. The wall that all the border States oppose building and all the Congressmen representing border districts, both Democrat and Republican, oppose by the way.

Meanwhile he and his family still have all their manufacturing operations oversees. On and on. What the guy says isn't worth the air the words are carried by.

By Hillary being normal, you mean she would have fucked the system and people wherever and whenever she wanted...right. Just like her usual "normal" self.

Yeah, Hillary Clinton was just full of integrity and put everyone else's interests ahead of her own. I can see why you supported her.

kalm wrote:This reads a bit like an Onion piece.

during a conference at Yale University.

Yes it does.

The Trumptanic has a narcissistic personality disorder exceptionally exacerbated by his economic status and 'aristocratic privilege" --- not sure that actually qualifies as "mental illness"

I'd be more concerned with the evangelical 'Hey-Zeus' Pence and his Sky Fairies.

93henfan wrote:Yeah, Hillary Clinton was just full of integrity and put everyone else's interests ahead of her own....

Clueless, much?
The Rightie **I Am Rubber - You Are Glue** duh-flection. You described Herr Trumpfurter to a "T"

Let's see, top individuals representing a branch of medicine that has a history of serious issues with scientific rigor, that thinks mental illness is more prevalent than colds in the winter, that hands out ritalin, adderol, paxil, beta blockers, and other psychoactive substance for even the slightest angst or insecurity with no objective diagnostic tools whatsoever...

these people are telling us Trump has serious issues that make him dangerous?

Let's be real, there's no shortage of narcissists in government, it's just a lot of them know how to fake humility and relatability. And anyone who doubts that is kidding themselves.

Pwns wrote:Let's see, top individuals representing a branch of medicine that has a history of serious issues with scientific rigor, that thinks mental illness is more prevalent than colds in the winter, that hands out ritalin, adderol, paxil, beta blockers, and other psychoactive substance for even the slightest angst or insecurity with no objective diagnostic tools whatsoever...

these people are telling us Trump has serious issues that make him dangerous?

Let's be real, there's no shortage of narcissists in government, it's just a lot of them know how to fake humility and relatability. And anyone who doubts that is kidding themselves.

Good points. Perhaps narcissism is just a clinical term for asshole.

kalm wrote:This reads a bit like an Onion piece.

Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference

Donald Trump has a “dangerous mental illness” and is not fit to lead the US, a group of psychiatrists has warned during a conference at Yale University.

Mental health experts claimed the President was “paranoid and delusional”, and said it was their “ethical responsibility” to warn the American public about the “dangers” Mr Trump’s psychological state poses to the country.

Speaking at the conference at Yale’s School of Medicine on Thursday, one of the mental health professionals, Dr John Gartner, a practising psychotherapist who advised psychiatric residents at Johns Hopkins University Medical School, said: “We have an ethical responsibility to warn the public about Donald Trump's dangerous mental illness.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 94316.html

So we should shoot him a cs.com invite

Two words - Supreme Court.

All we need now is one more to quit or die and we should be ok for awhile.

kalm wrote:

Pwns wrote:Let's see, top individuals representing a branch of medicine that has a history of serious issues with scientific rigor, that thinks mental illness is more prevalent than colds in the winter, that hands out ritalin, adderol, paxil, beta blockers, and other psychoactive substance for even the slightest angst or insecurity with no objective diagnostic tools whatsoever...

these people are telling us Trump has serious issues that make him dangerous?

Let's be real, there's no shortage of narcissists in government, it's just a lot of them know how to fake humility and relatability. And anyone who doubts that is kidding themselves.

Good points. Perhaps narcissism is just a clinical term for asshole.

Pretty much.

Pwns wrote:Let's see, top individuals representing a branch of medicine that has a history of serious issues with scientific rigor, that thinks mental illness is more prevalent than colds in the winter, that hands out ritalin, adderol, paxil, beta blockers, and other psychoactive substance for even the slightest angst or insecurity with no objective diagnostic tools whatsoever...

these people are telling us Trump has serious issues that make him dangerous?

Let's be real, there's no shortage of narcissists in government, it's just a lot of them know how to fake humility and relatability. And anyone who doubts that is kidding themselves.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

The last diagnosis I would trust is that of a psychiatrist.

Psychological disorders caused by known, quantifiable chemical imbalances are the only segment of that discipline that is remotely reliable.

Everything else is unicorns and magick

Trump does act like a narcissist publicly. I've been told that he's a bit different in person. And you know what? The exact same thing was true of Barack Obama. And the world didn't end.

(But the oceans didn't stop rising, either)

HI54UNI wrote:Two words - Supreme Court.

All we need now is one more to quit or die and we should be ok for awhile.

Yes. We need another corporatist on the court.

HI54UNI wrote:Two words - Supreme Court.

All we need now is one more to quit or die and we should be ok for awhile.

When the Democrats take total control as is likely, a prospect enhanced by the fact that the Republicans likely just sacrificed the long term for the short term by supporting Trump and thereby opting not to exercise any integrity, they can take care of that if they wish using the same tactic FDR threatened to employ. This thing of thinking that having Trump appoint Supreme Court Justices locks the Supreme Court in for a generation is a fallacy. It just depends on whether or not the Democrats are going to do what they would need to do to nix that when they likely gain overwhelming power in the Legislative and Executive Branches.

I'm not saying the future looked bright for the Republicans even if they hadn't sacrificed their credibility and damaged their long term prospects by rallying behind Trump. It was going to be very tough anyway given the demographics evolution we've discussed many times. But if they were going to have ANY long term chance at all they needed to avoid having Donald Trump become the face of their Party.

Pwns wrote:Let's see, top individuals representing a branch of medicine that has a history of serious issues with scientific rigor, that thinks mental illness is more prevalent than colds in the winter, that hands out ritalin, adderol, paxil, beta blockers, and other psychoactive substance for even the slightest angst or insecurity with no objective diagnostic tools whatsoever...

these people are telling us Trump has serious issues that make him dangerous?

Let's be real, there's no shortage of narcissists in government, it's just a lot of them know how to fake humility and relatability. And anyone who doubts that is kidding themselves.

There's something to what you say but, to me, one can watch Donald Trump for about 10 minutes and see that he has serious issues with emotional maturity and stability. Whether you call it "mental illness" or not doesn't really matter. I mean, to me, he pretty obviously has serious mental issues. But in spite of the "soft science" nature of psychology and psychiatry I wanted to see if any of the professionals in those fields thought so before I posted about it. And of course plenty of them did/do.

To me you do not...or should not...really need a professional in the field to tell you though. To me all you need to do is listen to the guy talk and watch the way he acts for a little while. He's a 70 year old man who acts like a little kid and at times is totally detached from reality. I don't see how any of you guys can deny that. It's obvious.

BTW when I talk about looking for professional opinions generally consistent with my impression it wasn't about Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It was about emotional maturity. It's interesting that one assessment I found has been edited:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/re ... dish-adult

When I found it way back when the author was pointing out that Trump displayed those characteristics. Now there is no mention of Trump in the post itself. However, if you look at the top you will see a note that says, "his post is in response to Beware America's Shocking Loss of Empathy by David Niose."

And if you click on the link that's embedded there it brings you to an article about Donald Trump.

Anyway I think you can go through each of the signs of childish behavior in an adult the lady lists and say, "Yep. that's Trump."

Here's an interesting video by a mental health professionsl. She's talking Narcissistic Personality Disorder, I think. But her descriptions of the behaviors are, I think, spot on. I would've just called it "emotionally unstable and immature."



All I know is I'm obviously not the only person who has noticed that there are serious problems with this guy. Electing him was a really, really stupid thing to do because it is obvious. This should not have been a close call even with someone as bad as Hillary Clinton as the only other alternative. There's bad and then there's insane. Electing Trump was insane.

JohnStOnge wrote:Here's an interesting video by a mental health professionsl. She's talking Narcissistic Personality Disorder, I think. But her descriptions of the behaviors are, I think, spot on. I would've just called it "emotionally unstable and immature."

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All I know is I'm obviously not the only person who has noticed that there are serious problems with this guy. Electing him was a really, really stupid thing to do because it is obvious. This should not have been a close call even with someone as bad as Hillary Clinton as the only other alternative. There's bad and then there's insane. Electing Trump was insane.

O.C.D.

You know, I do have OCD. It's OK. It's a harmless disorder. Not dangerous to anybody.

Now back to the topic:

Here's the text of a letter sent to Obama by some mental health professionals in December:

President Barack Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

November 29, 2016

Dear President Obama,

We are writing to express our grave concern regarding the mental stability of our President-Elect. Professional standards do not permit us to venture a diagnosis for a public figure whom we have not evaluated personally. Nevertheless, his widely reported symptoms of mental instability — including grandiosity, impulsivity, hypersensitivity to slights or criticism, and an apparent inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality — lead us to question his fitness for the immense responsibilities of the office. We strongly recommend that, in preparation for assuming these responsibilities, he receive a full medical and neuropsychiatric evaluation by an impartial team of investigators.

Sincerely,

Judith Herman, M.D.
Professor of Psychiatry
Harvard Medical School

Nanette Gartrell, M.D.
Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry
University of California, San Francisco (1988-2011)
Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School (1983-87)

Dee Mosbacher, M.D., Ph.D.
Assistant Clinical Professor
Department of Community Health Systems
University of California, San Francisco (2005-2013)

I got the text from the Huffington Post but it's pretty clear from looking at other sources that it's real. Google it if you have doubts.

Look, this kind of thing is unprecedented. I don't know about you but I sure don't remember a case in which we had someone who got elected President incur this volume of "he may be ill" commentary from mental health professionals.

Besides, as I said, you really shouldn't need mental health professionals to tell you this guy is wrong in the head. And wrong in the head in a dangerous way if that head is in the Oval Office.

JohnStOnge wrote:You know, I do have OCD.

No fvcking shit

Nobody would have guessed that

x

JohnStOnge wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
No fvcking ****

Nobody would have guessed that

You know, high math and data analytics aptitude is associated with OCD. A President with OCD wouldn't be a bad thing if we had a President who had that and also had the data interpretation, attention to detail, and thoroughness that tends to be associated with it.

Obviously, we don't have that.

JohnStOnge wrote:You know, I do have OCD. It's OK. It's a harmless disorder. Not dangerous to anybody.

I don't know about that. You're dangerously close to boring me to death.

And please pronounce it CDO in alphabetical order like it should be.