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Ta Da*

It passed
and now the Right owns the headache that is National Healthcare

Chizzang wrote:Ta Da*

It passed
and now the Right owns the headache that is National Healthcare

It's still nothing. It passed 1 hurdle. Don't break out the Cooks Extra Brut yet, Clizangistan.


217-213, not really a mandate. Especially when 20 Republicans voted no.

Chizzang wrote:Ta Da*

It passed
and now the Right owns the headache that is National Healthcare

Say what. It hasn't passed the Senate. And even if it gets 50 votes + Pence tiebreaker to pass the Senate (using reconciliation so won't need 60 votes), it will likely be with changes/amendments. Then I believe it would go to a House/Senate conk conference, with more tweaks, (which would make it less likely to pass either house a 2nd time) then would have to pass both houses again before Trump could sign. The odds are less than 50/50 Trump gets a bill to sign.. So the donks still own, and will likely continue to own, the Obamacare disaster..

BDKJMU wrote:So the donks still own, and will likely continue to own, the Obamacare disaster..

Republicans could have repealed it on day one.

If they aren't able to do anything about it and keep it... it's now a joint venture.

If they replace it, it's theirs.

BDKJMU wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Ta Da*

It passed
and now the Right owns the headache that is National Healthcare

Say what. It hasn't passed the Senate. And even if it gets 50 votes + Pence tiebreaker to pass the Senate (using reconciliation so won't need 60 votes), it will likely be with changes/amendments. Then I believe it would go to a House/Senate conk conference, with more tweaks, (which would make it less likely to pass either house a 2nd time) then would have to pass both houses again before Trump could sign. The odds are less than 50/50 Trump gets a bill to sign.. So the donks still own, and will likely continue to own, the Obamacare disaster..

Doesn't it go to conference BEFORE the Senate votes?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:So the donks still own, and will likely continue to own, the Obamacare disaster..

Republicans could have repealed it on day one.

If they aren't able to do anything about it and keep it... it's now a joint venture.

If they replace it, it's theirs.

Wrong. The current Obamacare, and likely to remain so, is a 100% donk bill, passed with zero conk votes, signed by donk POTUS. With zero conk alteration, wold be nothing joint about it..

Ibanez wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:
Say what. It hasn't passed the Senate. And even if it gets 50 votes + Pence tiebreaker to pass the Senate (using reconciliation so won't need 60 votes), it will likely be with changes/amendments. Then I believe it would go to a House/Senate conk conference, with more tweaks, (which would make it less likely to pass either house a 2nd time) then would have to pass both houses again before Trump could sign. The odds are less than 50/50 Trump gets a bill to sign.. So the donks still own, and will likely continue to own, the Obamacare disaster..

Doesn't it go to conference BEFORE the Senate votes?

Maybe so. Bottom line it was of Clitz to say it 'passed' and now the conks own it..

BDKJMU wrote: Wrong. The current Obamacare, and likely to remain so, is a 100% donk bill, passed with zero conk votes, signed by donk POTUS. With zero conk alteration, wold be nothing joint about it..

How would they make any arguments against Obamacare?

They have the votes to repeal or replace it now. If they don't do it - it's because they couldn't put together anything better.

They won't be able to rail against Obamacare anymore. It will just fall on deaf ears - "if Obamacare was so bad... you should have repealed it or replaced it with your own plan."

BDKJMU wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
Republicans could have repealed it on day one.

If they aren't able to do anything about it and keep it... it's now a joint venture.

If they replace it, it's theirs.

Wrong. The current Obamacare, and likely to remain so, is a 100% donk bill, passed with zero conk votes, signed by donk POTUS. With zero conk alteration, wold be nothing joint about it..

Kinda agree with BDK here - if the bill that just passed the House never makes it out of the Senate because it's blocked by the Dems, which is the likely outcome, I don't see how Obamacare becomes a joint venture. Dems passed it on their own, and then Dems blocked it from being changed/altered/killed. The key for the GOP was to get a version passed out of the House and they did that. If it gets killed in the Senate they can point to the Dems as the reason, as opposed to the internecine bungling that was the GOP's first attempt to do something. Long term Dems still will end up with a national health care system, it's just inevitable now.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: Wrong. The current Obamacare, and likely to remain so, is a 100% donk bill, passed with zero conk votes, signed by donk POTUS. With zero conk alteration, wold be nothing joint about it..

How would they make any arguments against Obamacare?

They have the votes to repeal or replace it now. If they don't do it - it's because they couldn't put together anything better.

They won't be able to rail against Obamacare anymore. It will just fall on deaf ears - "if Obamacare was so bad... you should have repealed it or replaced it with your own plan."

Why would you say that? Better is easy. There are several ways to do it. The problem is deciding on which way to do it.

I'm saying if they don't do anything while they have Congress and Presidency. If this doesn't pass and no subsequent iteration passes - they'll have a difficult time arguing against Obamacare - because, they would clearly not have another option.

Skjellyfetti wrote:I'm saying if they don't do anything while they have Congress and Presidency. If this doesn't pass and no subsequent iteration passes - they'll have a difficult time arguing against Obamacare - because, they would clearly not have another option.

If every option fails because of blockage by Dems in the Senate I don't see how your point makes any sense. The Dems passed their version because of the supermajority, i.e. no resistance in the Senate. The GOP can score political points off of this, for what good that is.

GannonFan wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:I'm saying if they don't do anything while they have Congress and Presidency. If this doesn't pass and no subsequent iteration passes - they'll have a difficult time arguing against Obamacare - because, they would clearly not have another option.

If every option fails because of blockage by Dems in the Senate I don't see how your point makes any sense. The Dems passed their version because of the supermajority, i.e. no resistance in the Senate. The GOP can score political points off of this, for what good that is.

It doesn't matter what the GOP passes. There will be no political points won. There is always a negative side to anything that will be passed, and the mainstream media will focus on it. And the Anti-Trumpers will eat it up.
This is a no-win situation for the Conks, politically.

CAA Flagship wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
If every option fails because of blockage by Dems in the Senate I don't see how your point makes any sense. The Dems passed their version because of the supermajority, i.e. no resistance in the Senate. The GOP can score political points off of this, for what good that is.

It doesn't matter what the GOP passes. There will be no political points won. There is always a negative side to anything that will be passed, and the mainstream media will focus on it. And the Anti-Trumpers will eat it up.
This is a no-win situation for the Conks, politically.

Yes there is, as GF pointed out, (assuming Trumpcare doesn't pass). Conks: "We tried to pass a reform, and the democrats blocked it."

No if Trumpcare does pass, then you are absolutely right..

CAA Flagship wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
If every option fails because of blockage by Dems in the Senate I don't see how your point makes any sense. The Dems passed their version because of the supermajority, i.e. no resistance in the Senate. The GOP can score political points off of this, for what good that is.

It doesn't matter what the GOP passes. There will be no political points won. There is always a negative side to anything that will be passed, and the mainstream media will focus on it. And the Anti-Trumpers will eat it up.
This is a no-win situation for the Conks, politically.

Eh, the Pro-Trumpers won't mind it, they'll see it as the system again gearing up to stand in the way of their man. This guy got elected almost entirely because of the negative side of the MSM and the anti-Trumpers (well, that and the rank corruption of his opponent) - they'll still see this as more of the same.

Perhaps each side will blame each other?

kalm wrote:Perhaps each side will blame each other?

That would be lunacy.

GannonFan wrote: If every option fails because of blockage by Dems in the Senate I don't see how your point makes any sense.

They don't need 60 votes in the Senate to pass it because they're doing it through reconciliation.

Democratic votes don't have any effect on its passage.* If it doesn't pass it won't be because Democrats blocked it - it will because they couldn't get all the Republican Senators on board.






*Unless the Senate passes enough Democrat amendments to counter the Republicans that wouldn't vote for it. But, yeah fucking right.

It was a poorly designed abortion of a law, and there is nothing that can be done to make it any better.

We'll be "fixing" it until the end of the Republic, as well as arguing over who owns the blame

After the GOP gets done with it, we'll be treated to fairy tales from the left about how great it was in its original form


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I posted this in another thread but I'll post it here too:

You know you've got potential political problems when the flipping March of Dimes opposes your health care bill.

BDKJMU wrote:

Ibanez wrote:Doesn't it go to conference BEFORE the Senate votes?

Maybe so. Bottom line it was of Clitz to say it 'passed' and now the conks own it..

Trust me on this one...
It'll float through the Senate

and then the President of the United States will take full credit
Nobody will have to try and pin it on the Republicans
The President will stand up in front of the world
and announce his ownership of it and how it UNITED the GOP

Ibanez wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Ta Da*

It passed
and now the Right owns the headache that is National Healthcare

It's still nothing. It passed 1 hurdle. Don't break out the Cooks Extra Brut yet, Clizangistan.


217-213, not really a mandate. Especially when 20 Republicans voted no.

they weren't voting no until it was in the bag... this gives them a little cover but it's like chizz said - all on them now and the donks get to play sniper..... its a very short step from here to death panels...

Skjellyfetti wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:So the donks still own, and will likely continue to own, the Obamacare disaster..

Republicans could have repealed it on day one.

If they aren't able to do anything about it and keep it... it's now a joint venture.

If they replace it, it's theirs.

Oh no, they should let it collapse; it's still the donks until something is passed or repealed.


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Chizzang wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:
Maybe so. Bottom line it was of Clitz to say it 'passed' and now the conks own it..

Trust me on this one...
It'll float through the Senate

and then the President of the United States will take full credit
Nobody will have to try and pin it on the Republicans
The President will stand up in front of the world
and announce his ownership of it and how it UNITED the GOP

I don't know about sail through.

We did learn a few things from this. Like, the Freedom Caucus has the balls of the Moderate Republicans.

CID1990 wrote:It was a poorly designed abortion of a law, and there is nothing that can be done to make it any better.

We'll be "fixing" it until the end of the Republic, as well as arguing over who owns the blame

After the GOP gets done with it, we'll be treated to fairy tales from the left about how great it was in its original form


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